Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

This is missing P-38L production which would be 80 planes/month beginning with 44/06 until wars´ end.

P-38J production is 50 planes/month beginning with 43/12 for 6 months, thats 300, not 50.

Then theres P51B production beginning 44/03 @ 30/month, after that P51D beginning 44/11 @ 120/month (the upgrading B plus the 90 D R&D), after that the P51H beginning 45/09 @ 250/month (the upgrading D plus the 130 H R&D).


Great effort obvert, but the xls linked by Skyros practically covers everything already.

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: obvert

Walloc (Rasmus) pointed out that I've not included the upgrade to the P-38 line factory for the next model. If the Allied players can confirm this is how it works then I'll adjust those numbers.

Also, Alfred mentions that some groups don't come with complete TOE for the Allies? I had thought the arriving groups were complete, unlike the Japanese where they routinely come with 2 planes.

I'd like to get the details more or less correct, but now also get up some estimates for the Japanese side, which will come in the next day.

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PRODUCTION - JAN 43 through DEC 43

FIGHTERS

USAAF
P-38G
20/month x 5 months = 100

P-38H
20/month x 6 months = 120

P-38J
10/month x 1 month = 10

As its 3 seperate factories in LA they will upgrade and continue to produce. U set it up as replacements(stopping at X date), not production aka once the G stops u dont add the 20 G model that will upgrade to the H model and keep producing and so on.

So IMO it should look like this, not counting in that factories doesnt necesarrily upgrade on day one. So while overall numbers are right the individual numbers of each model can vary depending on day of upgrades in each different game.

P-38G
20/month x 5 months = 100

P-38H
40/month x 6 months = 240

P-38J
50/month x 1 month = 50

Kind regards,

Rasmus

This is missing P-38L production which would be 80 planes/month beginning with 44/06 until wars´ end.

P-38J production is 50 planes/month beginning with 43/12 for 6 months, thats 300, not 50.

Then theres P51B production beginning 44/03 @ 30/month, after that P51D beginning 44/11 @ 120/month (the upgrading B plus the 90 D R&D), after that the P51H beginning 45/09 @ 250/month (the upgrading D plus the 130 H R&D).


Great effort obvert, but the xls linked by Skyros practically covers everything already.




Edit: Should there still be doubt: Yes, the factories upgrade to the most recent model at production start date immediately and completely. So for example all 50 P-38J change to L version on 44/06, adding to the 30 R&D, resulting in a total per month production of 80 beginning 44/06.

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ORIGINAL: Walloc

Yeah, as i said to Erik in my PM he partly pasted from. i would check each case of allied factories. There are problems as u also point out in several of his figurs. Im just lazy, so i just pointed out the problem in general and let him do all the work

Kind regards,

Rasmus

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ORIGINAL: obvert

I fixed the P-38 variants as you pointed out, and the P-51 line up to the P-51D. For the P-51H LoBaron advocates 250/month but the number shown in game would be different if carrying over the P-51D factories. Would the total be 292 + 150 = 442/month?

If I'm still playing by then for either side I don't really care anyway, I'm just happy!

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ORIGINAL: crsutton

Well, at first I was going to make some sort of snide remark about you having too much time on your hand and in sore need of a girlfriend. But after reading through the numbers found your charts to be very informative and useful. So, thanks and just forget about that girlfriend..

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: crsutton

Well, at first I was going to make some sort of snide remark about you having too much time on your hand and in sore need of a girlfriend. But after reading through the numbers found your charts to be very informative and useful. So, thanks and just forget about that girlfriend..

Well, we're engaged now, so I have a bit more time until the 'planning' begins in ernest.

I am a teacher, so these first few weeks of summer I can do some things at leisure before my other projects are in full swing.

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ORIGINAL: Nalamin
1) The boosted Japanese air forces have caused higher losses.
2) In the real war disabled and destroyed aircraft were cannibalized to keep planes flying. Is this reflected in the game?
3) I think the attrition rates for ground aircraft may be a bit high.

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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: crsutton

Well, at first I was going to make some sort of snide remark about you having too much time on your hand and in sore need of a girlfriend. But after reading through the numbers found your charts to be very informative and useful. So, thanks and just forget about that girlfriend..

Well, we're engaged now, so I have a bit more time until the 'planning' begins in ernest.

I am a teacher, so these first few weeks of summer I can do some things at leisure before my other projects are in full swing.

Obvert you have my sympathy, I was a teacher for 36 years and count myself lucky I am no longer one with the madness of the current regime. Enjoy your summer, you will have earned it.

Roger

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ORIGINAL: Walloc

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ORIGINAL: obvert

I fixed the P-38 variants as you pointed out, and the P-51 line up to the P-51D. For the P-51H LoBaron advocates 250/month but the number shown in game would be different if carrying over the P-51D factories. Would the total be 292 + 150 = 442/month?

If I'm still playing by then for either side I don't really care anyway, I'm just happy!

Production
30 P 51 B factory/production, upgrading to P 51H through P 51D
90 P 51 D factory/production, upgrading to P 51H
130 P 51H factory/production
= 250

Replacement of P51H 162. So 250+162= 412 P 51H

Remember only factories/production upgrade not replacement. The difference between 412 and 442 is the 30 replacement of P 51D that doesnt upgrade as its replacements. It just stops. Yeah its tricky when there is both production and replacements.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

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ORIGINAL: Skyros

Another thing to remember is that there is sometimes a month or two delay in allied factories switching over to new production which will reduce the numbers produce.

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Doesn't change the numbers, just the model.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

For a long while I've been hearing that the Allied production numbers are just a portion of what the Allies get each month and that the incoming groups have a lot of extra planes that change the scope of the Allied OOB considerably. I finally had some time to explore this further.

I counted up the incoming group numbers, then calculated the production number for all nations throughout the war, including the Soviet numbers only for 45. For incoming US Navy groups I counted only the CVE replenishment groups, not the normal operating CV groups as the Japanese side also gets filled out groups for the CVs. This is really an assessment of how to think about the numbers to be able to compare the sides capabilities throughout the campaign.

Someone may have done this before, and I might have done a lot of work for nothing, but it was interesting and I learned a bunch. Here it is.