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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 3:31:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dutch Treat: Michishio "takes one up the chuff". This is the Joe Isuzu fask force headed NE..perhaps to Shanghai where that creepy guy with buck teeth and long fingernails lives. Somewhat comical to call this an "ASW attack".

ASW attack near Iriomote at 88,65

Japanese Ships
DD Michishio, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kisaragi

Allied Ships
SS KXV

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 3:34:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		East China Sea: 230 m ENE of Formosa. Wonder where these guys were heading? Formosa probably. One hopes not to Horycrappo-jima.

Sub attack near Iriomote at 91,62

Japanese Ships
PB Fukuei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Miho Maru
xAK Banshu Maru
xAK Mitu Maru
xAKL Kensho Maru
PB Shinko Maru #5

Allied Ships
SS O21

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 3:47:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Luzon/Leyte: Aparri was hit by B-24's from Mindanao with only moderate success. JJ is still putting Tojos up in the air as CAP. Baybay (Leyte) gets absolutely plasterized by the medium bombers again. Many damaged airframes on the ground there.

Aparri, San Fernando, Laoag and Cabantuan are the undamaged/minimally damaged JJ airfields on Luzon. So far, they have not put planes at Cabantuan or Laoag. Tuguegarao actually flipped over to Allied control. Babay is pretty well wrecked as is Davao.

Iolio (Panay), Bacolod and Cebu are still in JJ control and might be used but have not been so far. Don't know about their supply or aviation support status.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 3:51:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Andaman: The lads hold out another day. Still think a massed B-24 raid might knock them down to 1:1 or 1:2 if they try again.

Ground combat at Port Blair (46,58)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 10901 troops, 125 guns, 19 vehicles, Assault Value = 158

Defending force 5387 troops, 61 guns, 82 vehicles, Assault Value = 118

Japanese adjusted assault: 105

Allied adjusted defense: 39

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
209 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
156 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
10th Garrison Unit
55th Infantry Regiment
56th Infantry Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Provisional Base Force

Defending units:
44th Indian Brigade
45th Indian Brigade
173 Wing
13th Indian Light AA Regiment
120th RAF Base Force

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 3:57:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Burma: Continued air assault on Mandaray by USAAF and RAF mediums and Vengeance bombers.

75 WJD bombers are spotted at Pegu (the sneaky, inscrutable LYB's). We try to hit them at night but miss. Probably intel is too low. We continue walking around the jungle to go around Prome.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 4:03:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is interesting. They ARE using Palembang but there is no tanker traffic in the South China Sea. Hmmmmm? Grunion has been sitting off Palembang for 2 months.

Sub attack near Muntok at 50,89

Japanese Ships
AO Teibo, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AO Erimo
PB Okuyo Maru #2
PB Kenkon Maru

Allied Ships
SS Grunion

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 4:15:59 PM   
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Andaman: The lads hold out another day. Still think a massed B-24 raid might knock them down to 1:1 or 1:2 if they try again.


It has been my experience that a ground attack with disruption and fatigue leads to more disruption and fatigue ... a massed B24 attack will lead to disabled and destroyed squads ... evening the score here ..

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 4:23:35 PM   
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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 4:28:03 PM   
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He must be part of the OSS, which stands for...

Office of Secret Seagulls.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 4:42:57 PM   
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Operation . Horycrappo-jima. Buildable to level 7 airfield. Crappy port, sure, within range of Jap bases Okinawa, sure, Formosa bases all at 100%, sure...but look at it this way...the beaches are so empty.





Well "Horycrappo-jima" alias Miyako-Jima has some other redeeming features of note. The stacking limit is 60,000 ! A lot of engineers can be brought up as soon as a port and support can be landed. It's partner next door Ishigaki is similar with a stacking limit of 40,000, port (1)1 air 0(4); Irimonte is the lesser of the 3 islands having a n air of 0(2) .. Funny but I believe the fortress is on Irimonte? A JFB can correct me... I do like the fact that the Allies now can isolate these islands with Army air platforms that will not need drop tanks.[Naha 4 hexes away Takao 6]

I am not sure how the map can ignore such a crucial place and emphasize the smallest base of the three ... I am with the Cap' that I suspect the IJ have also in kind ignored this little jewel sitting between Formosa and Oki ..

I would bet that One thing is for certain attacking this target ... The IJA/IJN would be committing aircraft in gobs from both Naha and Formosa ... one huge air contest in late '43 ... One I propose that the Allies can control by isolating supplies from Naha and Formosa ...





yes, Iriomte has a fortress garrison..as do Pescadores and Nago (NE Okinawa). I think Takao has a fortress too. Maybe Taihoku in NE Formosa as well?

Taking Rearrybadahfeering-jima (Ishigaki) to have mutually supporting bases is a good idea if we can find enough APA's and LST's (not sure we can).

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 4:43:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		My question is how many supplies the IJ cached in the PI? If they are attacking they must feel there is an abundance ... I am waiting for the supplies (-) in the combat reports ..

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 4:43:44 PM   
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He must be part of the OSS, which stands for...

Office of Secret Seagulls.


You didn't give us a chance.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 4:45:40 PM   
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My question is how many supplies the IJ cached in the PI? If they are attacking they must feel there is an abundance ... I am waiting for the supplies (-) in the combat reports ..



They attacked once at Manira and were narrowly repulsed. They attacked at Lingayen and caused 12,000 Arries to disappear. No other ground attacks.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 4:47:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to confirm, JJ does not get a supply source at Manira, right?

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 4:51:18 PM   
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Just to confirm, JJ does not get a supply source at Manira, right?


Depending on damage .. Manila starts with 100 LI in DBB and resources ... LI can produce while occupied in the Beta's...A 'w' key will tell you what hexsides you own ...But yes it is quite possible for Manila to distribute supplies ..

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 5:00:24 PM   
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He must be part of the OSS, which stands for...

Office of Secret Seagulls.


You didn't give us a chance.

Sorry - I have no turn this morning, ran out of interesting news items to read, and still had coffee left to sip before going out to do chores!

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 5:05:09 PM   
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Just to confirm, JJ does not get a supply source at Manira, right?


Depending on damage .. Manila starts with 100 LI in DBB and resources ... LI can produce while occupied in the Beta's...A 'w' key will tell you what hexsides you own ...But yes it is quite possible for Manila to distribute supplies ..



Then why did we have to stop using Willie Pete rounds? Does that sound fair? JJ has SERIOUS forces on Luzon.




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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 5:16:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Manila is the key pin in this situation and with stacking limits and urban terrain the IJ can extract a toll...Maybe consolidating PI might be the highest priority rather than more expansion?

Any LCU's laying around that can support the Manila campaign? Marines might be the most optimal with a very high density in AV/Firepower/Stacking ratio ..smashing the LI might be a consideration . but that would mean you will be unable to use it in the aftermath ....

What are the thoughts of the staff planners?

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 5:18:58 PM   
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15 year old guy with dented skull and one broken arm from stupid skateboarding stunt who needs to use bedside urinal: <the poor kid is by himself. pushes call button> BZZZZZZZT

SG: <comes into room> Yes?

15 year old guy with dented skull and one broken arm from stupid skateboarding stunt who needs to use bedside urinal: <weak voice, perhaps sounds a bit faked> Nurse, could you hold it for me? I can't move my arm. Ahhhhhh. <winces>

SG: Look, pal, I just saw you playing with your girlfriend's t*** with that arm 5 minutes ago on the security camera. You can hold your own damn ****


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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 5:33:39 PM   
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Manila is the key pin in this situation and with stacking limits and urban terrain the IJ can extract a toll...Maybe consolidating PI might be the highest priority rather than more expansion?

Any LCU's laying around that can support the Manila campaign? Marines might be the most optimal with a very high density in AV/Firepower/Stacking ratio ..smashing the LI might be a consideration . but that would mean you will be unable to use it in the aftermath ....

What are the thoughts of the staff planners?



This is not a stacking limits game. Even so the Arried Brain Trust is of the opinion that attacking Manira is not going to be much fun. We can bring up some arty from the siege of Davao. We have some Marines at Sorong (3 regiments) and another one moving to San Diego but they are prepping for Okinawa.

32nd ID is going to Vigan to stabilize things there before the Mongoh Horde arrives.

Priorities in Luzon:

1) Shut down LYB airfields

2) Reinforce Vigan and build forts at Vigan and Iba.

3) Capture Aparri and build to level 9.

4) Attrit JJ ground troops by air

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 5:37:16 PM   
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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 5:41:20 PM   
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Dutch Treat: Michishio "takes one up the chuff". This is the Joe Isuzu fask force headed NE..perhaps to Shanghai where that creepy guy with buck teeth and long fingernails lives. Somewhat comical to call this an "ASW attack".

ASW attack near Iriomote at 88,65

Japanese Ships
DD Michishio, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kisaragi

Allied Ships
SS KXV

Correction: since it was an ASW attack and Michishio was attacking KXV at the time, that would be a "deep throat" shot rather than an "up-the-chuffer".

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 5:44:40 PM   
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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 5:49:49 PM   
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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 6:17:34 PM   
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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 6:40:34 PM   
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Maybe better on Luzon to hold the tiger by the tail while you build a cage around it (aka those invasions further north)?


Given the complete picture .. I am with you on this ... put enough in Manila to discourage attacks and to keep the resources here busy and secure the rest of the Island ... Then concentrate everything in Manila and crush the IJ ... I might propose a 3 month endeavor...

In the meantime the massed aerial assault continues against vulnerable target .. although disabled/destroyed is obvious in the combat reports .. do not overlook the disruption results from combat/ground bombing.. a nice all out 4E attack just before the ground combat can have devastating consequences altering enemy firepower and AV linearly with %X disruption ...the adjusted AV after such an attack for example can be 1/2 even though disabled/destroyed squads did not reflect such devastation .... of course disabled/destroyed squads are a nice plus but again an air bombardment achieves more results than shown in the combat reports ...

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 8:35:53 PM   
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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 9:56:25 PM   
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Why do Brits make the best baddies? I like pic 24 the best.

The Devil, you say!

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/19/2013 1:41:20 AM   
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Why do Brits make the best baddies? I like pic 24 the best.


Elizabeth Hurley's role in that movie was breathtaking. I'd have signed on the dotted line too.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/19/2013 2:00:52 AM   
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Even though it might be offensive to French maids, I will post it for the benefit of those with slow servers.


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