Tomn
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ORIGINAL: Tomn This is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about, really. The argument goes in circles because the insistence is that "You've already been answered, and answered in such a way that you can't argue back, so why don't you just shut up now?" Then perhaps you should bring something new to the table instead of rehashing the same old arguments. Now, see, this doesn't help at all. If you want to move the discussion forward, engage with the argument presented instead of simply trying to dismiss it under the umbrella of "You want the same thing as always, so clearly you're just saying the same thing as always and therefore I don't have to do anything beyond telling you to sit down and shut up." Once you have presented a response, we return a response, you return in turn, and so on until everyone involved has a clearer idea of the situation. The idea that we are saying exactly the same thing we always have and that everything we said has been entirely and completely answered without possibility of debate is a tempting fiction, but it is a fiction nonetheless, and if we seem to be repeating ourselves, it is only because people keep ignoring the points we are making or trying to wave them away without much reasoning as to why this should be so. Like I said, though, I do understand that over a multi-page discussion, quite a lot of stuff goes missing very easily. If you request it, I can create a summary of my own arguments made in this thread with handy bolded titles so that you can identify where I said what, and any objections to the objections I could think of. I must warn you, though, that this will take quite some time and would be very long indeed, but it could well be of use in actually collecting the proofs and arguments made thus far into one (relatively) easy-to-read format that can then be debated for what it actually is, instead of sniping back and forth over generalizations.
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