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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/6/2013 11:23:29 PM

Hertston

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Questions to Ponder: If Herman had written a review that gave wholehearted praise to the game, would his review still be discredited because it was written by Herman?

Not really relevant as, as far as I'm aware all attempts to 'discredit' the review have not been on the basis that it was written by Herman, but on the basis that it was inaccurate. That is not say considerable surprise, shall we say, has been expressed that SimHQ published a review written by Herman.

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Or would it generally be accepted as a good review despite the fact?

See above.

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Would full disclosure mean anything then?

The 'disclosure' thing is a nonsense. If Sim HQ saw a need to do that, they would never have published it at all.

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And what about journalistic integrity?

What about it? As the thing was put back up I would have thought journalistic integrity had triumphed. It was all a storm in a teacup anyway. There doesn't seem to be any suggestion Slitherine/Matrix or Warfaresims tried to pull it because they didn't like it, only that somebody got in touch to express surprise, shall we say, at the author given the history. Sim HQ pulled it just long enough to establish what the issue actually was then presumably decided it didn't justify keeping it pulled.

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 1:33:56 AM

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If it were just this, you might be right. But go over to SimHQ and see my other counterpoints.

The review is full of half-truths and distortions. I'm a busy ER doc and I don't know this Herman person. All I do know is that, as I read his review, I was becoming hypertensive because it was clear what he was doing.

He makes vague, re-interpretable statements (that he can amend later), followed by grand sweeping conclusions. 3 cases so far:

1. Cluttered map: Used a non-representative low res screenshot, with every possible label enabled, then called the game "cluttered" and insinuated this made it nearly unusable. False

2. Mission editor: Mentioned the one feature the editor didn't have, then claimed it was so useless that you'd have no choice but to do everything manually. False.

3. Hotkeys: Says "no hotkeys whatsoever" for map features when, in fact, 3 of the most useful are there. Then overstates the impact by saying you'd have to do "20+ mouseclicks" every time you play. False.

Like I said, I'm a busy person who works 12-16 hour days. Even I was able to find these problems very easily. The only reason there are only 3 right now is because I'm just too busy to do this more than a few minutes per day.

So, you can save your cheap ad hominem accusations. I realize this Herman person has a lot of enemies, but I'm not one of them. I still have a few PM's from the guy, asking me to call him. That weirded me out, so I never responded. But I don't have some grudge against him.

Herman knew what he was getting into. He knew his review needed to be accurate and "clean". But apparently he just couldn't resist, and made a lot of poorly-reasoned arguments as he "fished" for things to complain about.

Don't blame me for noticing that his arguments are weak, and then pointing it out.

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The reviewer stated there are "no hot key functions whatsoever in the menu." That is demonstrably False.

In fact, there are hotkeys for the 3 of the most useful items which I routinely use to de-clutter the display as needed: Illumination, Datablocks and Datalinks.

Those 3 items are right there in the menu, and yet he claims there are "no hot key functions whatsoever in the menu."

So in other words because the reviewer, Herman, was mistaken he is automatically a liar and up to no good. Sorry but I don't buy it. You're nitpicking to discredit the reviewer because you don't like him. As I said before no review gets it 100%, 100% of the time. Everybody makes mistakes without there being some underhanded motive involved. If you want to attack reviews try starting with those that give favorable reviews only because the publisher spends advertising dollars with their website. I've played nothing but this game since release and I'm still learning new stuff everyday. It stands to reason that any review of this game is going to miss things or be wrong about something. So lighten up.

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 1:49:49 AM

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My god do you have any good things to say.

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ORIGINAL: Pii

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Yeah, that's what I meant by tone. It was bug hunting at its finest. I see a lot of people talking about buying command after that review. It's kind of like..."if that is the worst that a guy like this can find, it must be pretty good".

If it was bug hunting at its finest he would have listed many more.

Sorry if the truth offends you.

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 1:50:50 AM

Duck Doc

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@Kondor,

I am not trying to hijack this thread but what aircraft are in the cool pic in your postings and where did you get it?

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 2:12:00 AM

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It was childish to take the review down, but these continued threads are only showing the level of childish behavior that can continue to further keep this community in the state it is in (an internal state of bickering instead of being constructive and helping move it forwards)...at this point who all cares? I mean really? Couple of patches and all reviews will essentially be obsolete...and people don't have better things to do?

And really Kondor999 all you are doing is personally attacking Hermann and instigating fights. Really? Hermann had his say, we all as adults have taken what we want from it and moved on...why can't you? You really think the review has hurt sales? I mean the only other reason I can for the continued postings attacking the review is your personal dislike of him...

Personally, I never much cared for the guy really, and while the review was slanted, I am sorry but he does bring up a number of valid points in one context or another. But dude, let it go. If anything you are doing more harm than good as you continue to point to the review and keep raising it up in the public eye...move on...

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 2:17:26 AM

Mgellis

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Herman's problem is he's the boy who cried wolf. His behavior in the Harpoon community has been such that it's very hard for a lot of people to trust him. This is a shame because he does actually spot some issues that really need attention, and he should get credit for that, but when he says something wrong, whether he was lying or simply making a mistake, it's very easy to assume the worst about him.

However, I think tevans6220 makes an excellent point when he suggests we don't worry too much about it. We should not let Herman start fights here on Matrix Games (a site from which I believe he has actually been banned). Herman has his opinion and he has expressed it. Most of the people who have tried out Command so far disagree with him, some of us think his review includes some errors, and some of us think he may have an ulterior motive for giving Command a negative review. That pretty much puts an end on it. I suggest we simply ignore him and focus on enjoying the game, working to make it better by reporting any issues to a support team that seems very interested in getting issues fixed, and writing a lot of really kick-ass scenarios for it. :)

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 2:21:24 AM

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To kondor999:

I'm not making any accusations at all. Just my observations from what I've read. In other words my review of the review of the review. It go could on and on but it's dumb and petty. You say you have no grudge against Herman but seem to go out of your way to prove that he deliberately lied or mislead with his review. As if you have the ability to know what a person is thinking or what their motivations are. I've been playing this game for hours ever since release and I'm still learning something new everyday. It is entirely possible that Herman just got a few things wrong with no malice intended. It is entirely possible that he misunderstood the way some things were supposed to work. That's not even mentioning the bugs that the devs are working diligently to fix. Those would be the same bugs and problems mentioned on these forums and in Herman's review. No review gets it right 100% of the time. In many ways the RPS review was just as critical. I don't see you going after them and pointing out the flaws in their review.

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 11:48:38 AM

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Mate im not offended it is an observation and just my opinion that you seem to like to stir things up in your posts. Thats it.

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ORIGINAL: Blighty56

My god do you have any good things to say.

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ORIGINAL: Pii

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

Yeah, that's what I meant by tone. It was bug hunting at its finest. I see a lot of people talking about buying command after that review. It's kind of like..."if that is the worst that a guy like this can find, it must be pretty good".

If it was bug hunting at its finest he would have listed many more.

Sorry if the truth offends you.

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 12:21:20 PM

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Kondor you seem to be obsessed with the Sim HQ review..as your posting all over the net about it (well wargame forums)..your coming a across now more militant than Herman. Just don't lety it bother you and enjoy your game.

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 12:38:22 PM

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Second that the game is going to be further improved with future updates. Don't give the guy any satisfaction.

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 2:11:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Dale H

@Kondor,

I am not trying to hijack this thread but what aircraft are in the cool pic in your postings and where did you get it?

TU-22 is my guess.

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 5:54:09 PM

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The review was one of the best game reviews I have read. The writer clearly knew the subject and was able to discuss important details and flaws of the game. Censorship and these new attacks are ridiculous actions. It is odd that when customers were querying reviews of the new game, Matrix was trying to remove them from web???

If there are problems in the game which the review reveals, it is just valuable feedback for developers.

Thanks Herman

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/7/2013 11:05:31 PM

Mgellis

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ORIGINAL: wodin

Kondor you seem to be obsessed with the Sim HQ review..as your posting all over the net about it (well wargame forums)..your coming a across now more militant than Herman. Just don't lety it bother you and enjoy your game.

In fairness to Kondor, having been deeply annoyed by Herman myself on many occasions, I can fully understand why someone else might feel the same way. But wodin is offering some very good advice. Don't let Herman spoil your enjoyment of Command.

You might this interesting reading...

http://www.warfaresims.com/?cat=129

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/8/2013 12:49:46 AM

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Hi All,

We appreciate all the support the community has given us but we think it would be great if the focus shifted to Command. All of us have the opportunity now to build the community that way it should be instead of being hung up on old stuff. We (Command Dev Team) are developers so our role is now different. Its up to all of you to pick the ball up and run with it. Just let us know what you need.

Thanks

Mike

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/8/2013 4:05:19 AM

Mgellis

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Hi All,

We appreciate all the support the community has given us but we think it would be great if the focus shifted to Command. All of us have the opportunity now to build the community that way it should be instead of being hung up on old stuff. We (Command Dev Team) are developers so our role is now different. Its up to all of you to pick the ball up and run with it. Just let us know what you need.

Thanks

Mike

I agree, and I apologize if I went too far in any of my posts. Mike, I request that you lock this thread. I think the various posters have made their respective points. Let's put this one to bed before it creates any hard feelings. Thanks.

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RE: That Command Review...more nonsense - 10/8/2013 11:14:48 AM

Russian Heel

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ORIGINAL: Dale H

@Kondor,

I am not trying to hijack this thread but what aircraft are in the cool pic in your postings and where did you get it?

Tu-22K with Kh-22. Do an image search for "Tu-22" on Google and you will find that picture.(конечно без текста)

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