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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/24/2013 11:44:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is the same heightmap in MMaker.

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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/25/2013 1:00:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		You could blur it a bit before giving it to MM so the levels won't appear stepped.

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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/25/2013 2:11:35 AM   
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Ratzki,

Do you do some smoothing passes in MM then?

Would it be worth creating a template with some preset greyscale - elev settings for others to use?

I'm anxious to see how it turns out.

Thanks
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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/25/2013 2:15:37 AM   
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Also, if I'm looking at it correctly, it looks like you have both FF and 00 used. I think I would go with leaving some shades at both ends of the scale unused so that you have some flexibility in going higher or deeper if needed.

Though maybe that isn't necessary using this method.

Thanks
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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/25/2013 2:41:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I have been smoothing in MMaker as a final step. I did not think about blurring 1st as Mobius stated.
I have been able to cut the time to turn out a height map though. What I was just playing with is the "paint bucket" with tolerance set to 25%. Now when I select a greyscale and apply the "paint bucket" I get a colour fill of the grey that follows the selected location colour with ableedout in each direction determined by the tolerance set.


And after the next infill is completed with the new greyscale colour selected.


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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/25/2013 2:49:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		As you can see, A person could produce a topo type greyscale image in a very short time like this. It can be as rough or fine as you want and contain as many greyscale colours as you need to get the effect that you want. The more greys that you use the harder it will be to see the differing greys on screen. I admit that I am not producing an absolutly accurate height map, but it is getting faster and easier to produce a height map like this and the "topographic" heightmap that I get is easy to read and see the lay of the land. Maybe MMaker was/is too accurate. If cut back to 20-30 greyscale steps, it might be able to produce this effect on it's own.
Same seems to be true with the terrain map image. MMaker might be just too darn accrate. Been playing with the terrain the same way. Not quite the same level of control as with the height map but better. I can generate a terrain colour map or at least a good part of it in paint.net using the infill and some brushing right off the google earth arial photo. I know this is not new news but what I am getting at is that MMaker might be able to be tweeked where it can just tone down it's accuracy and things might get a whole lot better.

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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/26/2013 6:19:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is the finished product, NE of Kharkov. I just autogened some trees ect. for a quick fill.

Another image.


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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/26/2013 6:52:37 AM   
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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30777768/map.zip

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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/26/2013 10:34:08 PM   
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Ratzki,

Thanks for uploading, I've downloaded and I"ll take a look later today. I've used paint.net for terrain map, but not for the heightmap. I'll have to give it a try.

Thanks!
Rick

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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/27/2013 8:21:36 PM   
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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 6/28/2013 12:09:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ratzki

How did the height map experiment go for you?


It'll be the weekend at the earliest before I will have enough time to try it. Thanks!

rick

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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 10/3/2013 12:29:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have added a new research section to the Panzer War site.
War Research

Some subjects were inspired by posts here.

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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 10/9/2013 2:21:40 AM   
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quote:

The original Bird-Livingston formula had an error in it. It doubled the dispersion. I only found this out when I set the ranging error to zero and tried to mimic the German accuracy tables. When this problem is corrected the German Dispersion and Firing tables can be recreated to a high degree.


Let's get this strait. I challenged 'Bird-Livingston' many years ago on this at Battlefront. I also challenged your acceptance of this. You saw the correctness. Thanks for the 'giving-of-the-props'.

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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 10/16/2013 5:15:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't want to refight old battles but in some of his old posts he actually had the calculations correct. But in some others and his book not so much. Challenging a moving target might be a little... challenging.
A new subject page: Optics

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RE: Panzer War Miniature Rules - 10/17/2013 7:20:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Optics page was a ggod read, Thanks.

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