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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/17/2013 10:31:45 PM   
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Have you missed operation "hulk smash"?

I´m not sure that resizing the air squadrons is actually going to add any defensibility to the CV fleet. Is having a 500 plane CAP instead of a 300 going to change anything? According to GJ the "magic" limit is 300 CAP. Any more and there won´t be enough fire passes anyway. Or have I misunderstood something?


I think you've misunderstood something.

A lot depends on how split up the carriers are, how many hexes apart, etc. You need each chunk capable of defending itself to the utmost. And how good the fighters are. A squadron of Corsairs is worth what? 1.5 squadrons of Hellcats?

Edit: Also, these ops as you get close in tend to be multi-day and more fighters accounts for damage and fatigue. Even if GJ is right, how many fighters do you need on-scene to get 300 to engage? For five straight days?

Remember too that this is what the replenishment CVEs are for, this era, far forward. Also, remember that on Jan. 1 your AEs play Cinderella and can suddenly do underway replenishment of your AA ammo. All so you can move in range and get some forward operating bases.


I have had some luck so far keeping the CVs in the same hex. Key is to NEVER use full speed. If you do they are likely to end up all over the map. I´ve tried to keep things as balanced as possible in each TF. So if anyone ends up alone they will have some CAP up.

I already have almost all squadrons on the CVs flying Corsairs. The ones doing escort duty uses the Hellcats though. Might have to reconfigure that a bit when/if I resize. Its just that I hate losing striking power at this stage. There is still plenty of opportunity for fast CV raids and I feel the resize shifts the CVs to a defensive tool instead of a offensive one. Having 500 strike planes is a big hammer. Having 200 is just a "meh" that likely won´t penetrate any kind of CAP/LRCAP.

Decisions!




You do have to be uber-offensive in 1945. It's just that you have to let go of the sink-em-all mentality and let the navy do what all navies are designed to do at their base--support operations on land. Your offense is there and in the skies over the HI. The KB is meaningless now, more or less, except in how it can refuse an amphibious landing. Your commerce can't be raided any more, and your carriers aren't probing his perimeter either. You're in his house getting ready to steal the silver.

It's a mindset change. Can't say that enough. If he collapses with ten carriers still afloat, so what?

Now, if he offers them up, sink them. With lots of fighters the chances of your strike force surviving to the target are higher. More fighters is almost never a bad thing.

But it's your call.

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/17/2013 10:48:12 PM   
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I agree with Paullus.

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/17/2013 11:06:24 PM   
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I agree with "The Moose" on allowing the re-sizing to happen. You need your carriers to be able to survive along with other ships. The kamikaze attacks have not come in full bore yet and 'if' KB shows up, it would be best if they just impale themselves on your CAP. For now, the DB/TB groups should have just elite pilots. The new fighter groups can be some F6F Hellcats with some as Corsairs. You do have extra Hellcats to use and you could use some of your Corsairs on land.

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/18/2013 6:34:53 AM   
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I'm also wary of "One player has this experience"

So much depends on settings, the war situation and what your opponent does.

I also see more fighters on deck as more escorts for your raids on KB.

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/18/2013 6:49:01 AM   
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Thanks for the advice guys.

I´ve decided on a "semi resize approach". I´ll start upgrading the CVs with the new squadrons based on airframe availability. So I think I can go ahead and resize about 2/3rds the squadrons on "day 1". After that I´ll do them as I have planes available.

No point in having some CVs under max capacity just waiting for planes.

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/18/2013 8:01:40 AM   
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IJ Tank Divisions
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A while back I asked about the TOE for these divisions. I didn´t get any reply so I dug up the information myself. On paper it looks like a solid unit so I decided to try some scenarios out. Turns out at this stage of the war the Japanese tank divisions are useless.

Attacking with a deliberate attack against one US44/OZ/Indian division in a clear hex without forts the tank division was absolutely gutted with 60-80% losses in just one attack. The allied divisions sustained virtually no damage.

Defending in a wooden hex against two allied Tank BTLs (2x59 Shermans) the IJ tank division also got completely gutted. The allied Tank BTLs did suffer some damaged though. When in a clear hex the Tank Division was almost destroyed.

I´m not even sure this is the correct TOE. I just threw in the best IJ light and medium tank in the database. The actual Tank divisions might actually be even worse then the one I used for testing.

Good news for team Allies.




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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/18/2013 10:28:42 AM   
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Japanese armor was perhaps the worst in WWII - even worse than the Italians (who actually had a decent tank in 1943, but never really got a chance to use it before they surrendered to the allies). Of course, given the overall terrain in the Pacific War, it isn't surprising that their tank development was woefully lacking.

Of course, in AE - Japanese units, in general, can't stand up against mid-to-late war Allied Ground units in open terrain or where forts are lacking - hence the need to dig, dig, dig for them starting in 1943 - on.

Good luck with your upcoming operations.



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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/18/2013 11:04:37 AM   
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Thanks paullus!

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/18/2013 12:03:58 PM   
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Christmas 1944
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A little naval and air action today.

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Singapore
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For the last two weeks I have been sending recon planes over Singapore. Recon has showed 2-4 CVEs in port together with some tankers and other various ships. Only 15 fighter so I though the losses would be worth it nailing some CVEs repairing.

Turns out even allied recon can be faulty.

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Japanese Ships
TK Bokuei Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AV Kinugasa Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Hioki Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
E Hoko, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Teiyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
E Shirataka, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Kyokuyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
TK Ichiyo Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire
E Ukishima, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Omurosan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
ACM Kaisho Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Saga, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SC Ch 9, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
TK San Clemente Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires

TK Omurosan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Ichiyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK San Clemente Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Kyokuyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
TK Teiyo Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Hioki Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
TK Bokuei Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
SC Ch 2, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Eiho Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Kinugasa Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
ACM Tatibana Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

TK San Clemente Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Hioki Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

TK Eiho Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Shirataka, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK San Clemente Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC Ch 2, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
TK Omurosan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

AV Kinugasa Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
TK Eiho Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Teiyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Eiho Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK San Clemente Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Kyokuyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Hoko, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
TK Omurosan Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Ichiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Shirataka, and is sunk

TK Omurosan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Bokuei Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Teiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Eiho Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Ukishima, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
ACM Kaisho Maru, and is sunk




While I´m pretty sure most if not all of them will sink I´m not too happy about the exchange. 16 Fighters on CAP meant 16 B29s lost (where ARE those overpowered 4Es ). Thats basically 2 B29s squadrons out for the rest of the war. And sinking tankers at this stage is pointless.

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Medan
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I managed to dodge the sporadic Naval search in the area and got a British DD TF into position for a 10 hexes dash. Worked well but I had hoped for better targets.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Medan at 46,76, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E W-33, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
PB Heiei Maru #7, Shell hits 7, on fire
TK Ryusho Maru, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk


Allied Ships
DD Pathfinder
DD Penn, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
DD Grenville
DD Ulster
DD Ulysses
DD Undaunted
DD Undine
DD Urania
DD Urchin
DD Ursa


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Medan at 46,76, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
TK Azuma Maru #2, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
PB Mikage Maru, Shell hits 42, and is sunk


Allied Ships
DD Pathfinder
DD Penn, on fire
DD Grenville
DD Ulster
DD Ulysses
DD Undaunted
DD Undine
DD Urania
DD Urchin
DD Ursa




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Thailand
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Erik is evacuating Bangkok via sea! Looks like I really did manage to cut him off and the stay wasn´t deliberate. 15 units and 35.000 men are missing. I won´t allow that. Fast CVs start moving into the South China Sea. Lets see if Erik is willing to risk the KB for those men. Every sub in the area is also vectored in.

I´m not sure its a smart to try and get them out via sea and it might have been better for him to leave them. But perhaps he will manage somehow to get them out.

Also got some interesting developments on the superstack.

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Japanese ground losses:
191 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


First unit wiped out. I´m going to let the 4E pilots use this stack for EXP training. Have no other targets for them anyway.

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Burma
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Erik tried a paradrop on Lashio? The paras didn´t get wiped out so now I´m going to let them sit there and rot.

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Ground combat at Lashio (62,46)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 154 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Defending force 4802 troops, 65 guns, 22 vehicles, Assault Value = 149

Japanese adjusted assault: 1

Allied adjusted defense: 202

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 202 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), op mode(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)

Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
1st Raiding Rgt /1

Defending units:
5th Burma Battalion
Mandalay BMP Battalion
4th Burma Battalion
1st Assam Rifles Battalion
101st RAF Base Force
103rd RAF Base Force


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Luzon
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About 2 weeks until Operation "Hulk Smash" is launched. I will probably launch the first bombardments in a couple of days. Really anxious to see all those artillery tubes in action!





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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/18/2013 1:29:57 PM   
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At least he won't be basing any more ships in Singapore.....of course, if there is any oil left in the DEI, I'm sure he was pretty keen on getting it out under the buzzer - and that will be a lot harder now....you really need to shut the front and back doors to make sure nothing else gets away.

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/18/2013 6:01:24 PM   
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Kudat
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A small invasion is set to hit the beaches of Kudat tomorrow. I probably don´t have enough for a quick capture so it will be a bit of a grind here. 2Es and naval bombardments will help out.






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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/18/2013 8:45:02 PM   
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I disagree on the pointlessness of sinking the TKs. It looks like he was trying to get a final convoy out, and you caught it. That sounds worth it.

There are also the VPs to consider. You lost 32 in the B-29s. He lost more than that in just 4 ships, and you sunk how many? Yes, losing those B-29s hurts your bombing efforts in the HI... Maybe you should be using B-17s and 2Es for these port strikes, then .

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/18/2013 9:52:49 PM   
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I disagree on the pointlessness of sinking the TKs. It looks like he was trying to get a final convoy out, and you caught it. That sounds worth it.

There are also the VPs to consider. You lost 32 in the B-29s. He lost more than that in just 4 ships, and you sunk how many? Yes, losing those B-29s hurts your bombing efforts in the HI... Maybe you should be using B-17s and 2Es for these port strikes, then .


I seem to lack B17s and 2Es with 31 hex strike range!

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/19/2013 10:42:40 AM   
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Not really action packed turns. But stuff is starting to happen again.

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Strat bombing
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Some 100 B29s strike Tokyo with heavy losses to NFs. I had set them on 20k hoping to get above the CAP. No such luck.

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Night Air attack on Tokyo , at 114,60

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5d-S Zero x 3
J1N1-S Irving x 27
J1N1-Sa Irving x 5
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 21


Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 2 destroyed
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 20000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 20000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 20000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 20000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb


I did manage to get some fires going though. But in the process I lost 22 B29s. So 15 days of replacements and 22 of the best bomber pilots in the game lost in a single bomb raid. I´ll post the damage inflicted once the fires have died down to asses the worth.

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Kudat
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Troops land without a hitch. Some Kamis take off but are dealt with by the ship flak. Thankfully as the LRCAP from Jolo never showed up!

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kudat at 69,86

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ib Peggy x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 6 destroyed
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak


Allied Ships
CL St. Louis
APA Henry T. Allen


Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-67-Ib Peggy flying as kamikaze *
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb


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Thailand
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The US Corps encounter some resistance at Battembang and desrtoyes a Japanese Tank RGT. Not really sure why Erik left it there. Perhaps he thought the tanks could hold in the defensive terrain?

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Ground combat at Battambang (58,65)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36317 troops, 693 guns, 947 vehicles, Assault Value = 1376

Defending force 2184 troops, 22 guns, 133 vehicles, Assault Value = 80

Allied adjusted assault: 958

Japanese adjusted defense: 35

Allied assault odds: 27 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Battambang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
322 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 76 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 34 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 124 (115 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Units retreated 3


Allied ground losses:
212 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
268th Motorised Brigade
43rd Infantry Division
3rd Cavalry Regiment
Guides Cavalry Regiment
27th Infantry Division
7th Infantry Division
India Command
16th Indian Heavy AA Regiment


Defending units:
8th Tank Regiment
53rd Const Co
93rd JAAF AF Bn


On the 26th Erik tried to interdict my bombings over the Superstack. He got a bit of a double bad luck here and for once ALL the P38 sweeps arrived before the bombers. To add insult the 4Es bombed other targets this turn so all Erik got where 4 2Es.

Pretty happy with how the P38s performed today. They actually shot down twice their numbers! These pilots are "cannonfodder". IE they are completely fresh from flight school.

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Morning Air attack on Burma Area Army, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 13
J2M5 Jack x 16
N1K1-J George x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 46
Ki-84r Frank x 29
Ki-100-I Tony x 27


Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed



Bombardments of the Superstack is showing better and better results. I´m currently getting between 400 and 600 causualies per day. Thats between 3-4000 per week. And that is not counting the bombing milkruns.

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Luzon
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Siege troops arrive at Manila. I´m going to give them 2-3 days to rest fatigue and dig some forts before launching the first bombardment. I think this is the heaviest concentration of artillery so far in the game. High expectations that will probably end in disappointment...

Definitively the highest concentration of armor so far though. I estimate it at around 1000 Shermans.

Two airfields on Luzon will soon reach 8. Once they hit that I´m going to move the air force in.

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CENTPAC
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The convoys reach the Marianas. Not undetected though. I placed the CVEs between the civilian ships and Eriks bases. Hopefully they will draw any strikes away from the transports and tankers.




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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/19/2013 10:52:39 AM   
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Perhaps I´m expecting too much. But I hope for a quick breakthrough here using superior firepower.

I also have a small ace up me sleeve here. But I´ll keep that to myself for now.




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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/19/2013 10:29:35 PM   
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Quick question:

I´m getting some fluctuations in VP points from time to time. Four turns ago Erik all of the sudden closed the gap with 400 something VPs. No ships was taken off the sunk list of anything. Whats causing this? In tracker I could not find anything that would account for this.




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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/19/2013 10:49:29 PM   
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Base supply?

The "Base VP" value I think is the theoretical maximum but is adjusted down for lack of supply in its contribution to total VP. So a high value base that was insufficiently supplied being resupplied can add a lot of points. It doesn't actually need to get resupplied, it can just be units are moved out reducing its supply demand.

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/20/2013 12:22:08 AM   
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Base supply?

The "Base VP" value I think is the theoretical maximum but is adjusted down for lack of supply in its contribution to total VP. So a high value base that was insufficiently supplied being resupplied can add a lot of points. It doesn't actually need to get resupplied, it can just be units are moved out reducing its supply demand.



Spidery is correct. (And for bonus points in this round of AE Trivia, I'll tell you that the base currently affecting this is probably Manila.)

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/20/2013 6:53:36 AM   
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Ah, of course! Didn´t think of that. Thanks!

Quixote, How can you tell? Is there a formula based on the base VPs?

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/20/2013 9:23:50 AM   
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I manage to do another of those stupid mistake and pay a hefty price for it.

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I set the B29-1 to strike Manila hoping to knock down some more LI. But again I messed up the setting and they go in at 6000ft. 25 B29-1 are lost to the AA fire. Another 3 squadrons out for the remainder of the war.

Stupid!

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China
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Tomorrow the half strength Indian divisions will shock attack the river at Paoshan. Judging by the bombing there forts are very high. But only a Jap RGT blocking the way and I hope my troops can blast them. Erik has put up another road block between Paoshan and Kunming. This one is a lot bigger. Probably 2 IDs.

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Luzon
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Erik kindly bombarded here yesterday giving us intel on his forces.

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Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1935 troops, 144 guns, 137 vehicles, Assault Value = 3376

Defending force 106700 troops, 2001 guns, 4569 vehicles, Assault Value = 3725

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 10 (3 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
102nd Division
58th Infantry Brigade
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
105th Division
43rd Recon Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
6th Division
4th Tank Division
64th Ind.Mixed Brigade
56th Division
61st Ind.Mixed Brigade
59th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Tank Division
53rd Infantry Brigade
56th Ind.Mixed Brigade
57th Fld AA Bn /1
216th Naval Construction Battalion
157th JAAF AF Bn
217th Naval Const Bn /1
12th JNAF AF Unit
7th Air Division
20th RF Gun Battalion
3rd Rocket Gun Battalion
20th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Air Division
21st Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
28th JNAF AF Unit
33rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
27th Fld AA Machinecannon Company
13th Air Fleet
85th Field AA Battalion
58th JNAF AF Unit /2
14th Area Army
51st Air Flotilla
56th JNAF AF Unit
33rd Special Base Force
60th JNAF AF Unit
30th Special Base Force
26th Fld AA Machinecannon Company
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
78th Field AA Battalion
52nd Const Bn /1
16th Army
88th Field AA Battalion
16th Field AA Machinecannon Company
64th Field AA Battalion
2nd Base Force
77th Field AA Battalion
91st JAAF AF Bn
104th AA Regiment
2nd Air Fleet
1st Base Force
102nd AA Regiment
24th Fld AA Machinecannon Company
20th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
60th Field AA Battalion
21st JAAF Base Force /2


Defending units:
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
1st Marine Division
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
754th Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
37th Infantry Division
25th Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
775th Tank Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
763rd Tank Battalion
44th Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
716th Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
24th Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
5th USMC Tank Battalion
III US Amphib Corps
XXIV US Corps
147th Field Artillery Regiment
XI US Corps
1st Medium Regiment
Tenth US Army
XI Corps Artillery
694th Field Artillery Battalion
16th NZ AA Bde
15th NZ AA Bde
XIV Corps Artillery
X US Corps
251st Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
205th Field Artillery Battalion
I Corps Artillery
South Pacific
225th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
I US Corps
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
X Corps Artillery
33rd Medium Regiment


So almost the same raw AV here. I guess we will find out soon is Allied firepower can overcome Japanese raw AV. I´m still very optimistic. I will repay the kindness tomorrow when a full allied bombardment will blast away. Even the divisional artillery will take part. First deliberate attack will launch in 2-3 days.

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Thailand
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We continue to make good way towards the south. Japanese troops are starting to flee before us and we capture a empty Siem Riap.

I´m struggling with supply in central Thailand. This is making base building very problematic. But I hope once the troops have flushed out the bases will start getting some.





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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/20/2013 9:29:10 AM   
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Well, a picture says more than words. I would absolutely say this is worth the loss of 22 B29s. Both the LI and HI really took a big hit despite the low number of fires.






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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/20/2013 9:57:38 AM   
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We continue to make good way towards the south. Japanese troops are starting to flee before us and we capture a empty Siem Riap.

I´m struggling with supply in central Thailand. This is making base building very problematic. But I hope once the troops have flushed out the bases will start getting some.


First thing I would do is turn on the Supply Stockpile option at Udon Thani and they use Transport planes to fly in supplies from someplace like Moulmein. Second, is move out any combat troops and leave just engineers and BFs in base.

Slightly OT, but how is your supply situation in Rangoon?? You have lots and lots of mouths to feed in Thailand and Burma to feed through this one major port. Have you maxed out the port at Moulmein and Tavoy to allow more supplies to be unloaded??

Logistics...Logistics...Logistics

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First thing I would do is turn on the Supply Stockpile option at Udon Thani and they use Transport planes to fly in supplies from someplace like Moulmein. Second, is move out any combat troops and leave just engineers and BFs in base.

Slightly OT, but how is your supply situation in Rangoon?? You have lots and lots of mouths to feed in Thailand and Burma to feed through this one major port. Have you maxed out the port at Moulmein and Tavoy to allow more supplies to be unloaded??

Logistics...Logistics...Logistics


Thats a good idea. I´ll try that!

I have 350k supply at Rangoon but it doesn´t seem to want to flow down into Thailand in big numbers. No idea how the heck Erik managed to get it flowing in the opposite direction! I´m doing something wrong I think. I´ve tried to increase supply demand gradually to get it going. But so far no luck. I have no demand at Rangoon and then gradually higher and higher towards Authia and then max at Ubon and Udon Thani. That might be the wrong way to do it though?

Tavoy is maxed out but Moulmein refused to hold much supply so building is slow.

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/20/2013 2:32:26 PM   
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Fast TF 1 (TF 238, RADM Fitch, 403 Planes)
Franklin
Viking
Valhalla
Victorious
Illustrious

Independence
Langley

Fast TF2 (TF 256, VADM Towers, 379 Planes)
Essex
Intrepid
Hancock
Indomitable

Belleau Wood
Monterey


Fast TF3 (TF 108, RADM Mullinix, 378 Planes)
Ticonderoga
Midgaard
Yggdrasil

Cowpens
Cabot
Bataan


Fast TF4 (TF 228 CMD Ragsdale , 417 Planes)
Bunker Hill
Bennington
Randolph
Indefatigable

San Jacinto
Princeton


Total strength:
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What's up with all these NON-American names?!?


I must honor my Viking ancestors!

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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/20/2013 8:05:30 PM   
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Not much happening. Mostly allied bombing runs.


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China
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Our crossing was successful. Not without cost though. Forts were high.

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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 47261 troops, 891 guns, 518 vehicles, Assault Value = 1647

Defending force 5716 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 201

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 1689

Japanese adjusted defense: 52

Allied assault odds: 32 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied forces CAPTURE Paoshan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)
preparation(-), experience(-)

Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2796 casualties reported
Squads: 53 destroyed, 126 disabled
Non Combat: 55 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 18 (12 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 1


Allied ground losses:
1366 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 163 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 26 disabled
Guns lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
7th Indian Division
25th Indian Division
23rd Indian Division
39th Indian Division
8th New Chinese Corps
117th RAF Base Force
104th RAF Base Force
23rd AA Bde
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
171 Wing
3rd West African AA Regiment
56th Heavy Regiment
2nd West African AA Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
175 Wing
Sikh Construction Battalion
4th West African AA Regiment
1st Bombay Construction Battalion
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment


Defending units:
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade


Next target is Kunming. I´m pretty sure I havn´t brought enough for that though so I´ll probably stall somewhere in the mountains before that. But its another route Erik has to cover.

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Luzon
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Allies fire back at Manila. While not an overwhelming result this eats supply which I have and Erik hopefully hasn´t.

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Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70553 troops, 1632 guns, 2918 vehicles, Assault Value = 3803

Defending force 119190 troops, 1339 guns, 1621 vehicles, Assault Value = 3376

Japanese ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (4 destroyed, 10 disabled)


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Thailand
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A lot of naval traffic going for Bangkok. Udon Thani and Ubon both went the level 2 AF but supply is still in the red.


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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins! - 10/20/2013 8:59:42 PM   
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Love the ship renaming!!  Way cool!  That gives me some ideas for my renames.  After all, when asked where Doolittle's raid on Japan came from, FDR replied, From Valhalla.....a nice name for an American CV.

Manila is shaping up as a real slug it out battle.  Curious: Want the IJ be able to get supply into Luzon at the northern end?

Also, do you have the ability to interdict the sealanes in/out of Bangkok by air?  It would be nice to see those troops reduced by sinking them at sea.  The more you get that way reduces the number that will be readily available at Formosa or the Home Islands.  Subs can do some of the heavy lifting too to reduce your air losses. 


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