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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/6/2013 12:36:07 PM   
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Might be a superstupid nitpick but right now all US planes use Mk xy series of supersonic bombs which were only introduced in the 50s.
For WW2 props etc there should be AN series of WW2 era bombs :D


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/6/2013 8:46:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some other quasi-italian additions aside from Garibaldi:
Duca degli Abbruzzi (her unmodified sister)
The WW1 era BBs Duilio and Andrea Doria
The fascist era cruisers in service with France and Greece (Helli) and the USSR.
And of course the WW1 era BB Novorossisk, ex Giulio Cesare :D

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/8/2013 2:16:45 AM   
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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/8/2013 9:21:34 PM   
JCR

 

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Status: offline 		The Kanin class (Project 57 bis) is only there in its modified state as a AAW/ASW destroyer, not in the original version as SSM (SS-N-1) carrier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanin_class

Edit:
they're allready in but called Krupny class :D

But I've found something else:
The merchants in CDB are fine for the late 20th century, but in the time span of CDB, there were still "old school" merchants in the majority, not container vessels and supertankers.
Good thing is most of the standard types are allready in as various US/UK auxiliaries.
So just copy and disarm them and rename them into:
T2/T3 Tanker, C1/2/3 Freighter, Liberty/Victory ship etc.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/8/2013 11:16:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		And don't forget never this site about after 1945 Soviet and Russian ships and subs (beware, sometimes with errors, because the caractheristics represented are those of the initial Project, as in the Charlie SSGN cases): http://russian-ships.info/eng/

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/9/2013 7:16:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some errata re Volksmarine vessles.
Minesweepers Habicht and Krake had neither degaussed nor wooden hulls, both were conventional steel boats.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/11/2013 9:22:00 AM   
JCR

 

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Status: offline 		Something re the F-106 Delta Dart.
In CWDB both the Air Defense Command and ANG versions have a internal cannon
In reality the cannon was added in "Project Six Shooter" in 1972 and replaced the Genie in the bomb bay.
So the original F-106 had none...

Ask I posted in the 460 build thread, the C 551 Garibaldi crashes the database viewer.
The unit itself has two weaprecs for 1. 16 Polaris and 2. 4 Polaris, while 0/4 Polaris would be better.

It also doesn't seem to have a magazine.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/11/2013 5:15:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		EE Lightning F.6 of both databases has a Generic IRST instead of the RWR, you probably mistook one for the other.



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/11/2013 7:18:25 PM   
JCR

 

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Status: offline 		Some french changes:
1. T47 destroyer ASW conversion had no 57mm guns, but instead 2 100mm guns.
Parallel to the ASW and AAW conversions, there was a squadron flagship version without the foreward 57mm and 2 triple torpedo mounts.

2. The Narval class was around since the late 50s (1958, not the late 60s)

3. Also one could include U-Boats for france, they had 1 Type XXI (Roland Morrilot) and one each type IX and VII.
No Type VIIs for the Germans btw, the only U-Boats with the Bundesmarine were two XXIIIs and one XXI, but no VIICs.
The Norwegians had serveral VIICs (one of which is the Kiel museum uboat)
The East Germans raised a VIIC boat and planned to restore it and even build new ones, before the Soviets said no, so VIIs could be set to East Germany as a what if.

4. The Me 109s and He 111s for Spain should have their spanish names and RR Merlin engines, they were not german built.

(I feel bad with these tons of requests as the only guy. Can't you just release a DB editor and I can do it myself? ;))

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/11/2013 7:20:47 PM   
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quote:

(I feel bad with these tons of requests as the only guy. Can't you just release a DB editor and I can do it myself? ;))

Me too .....

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/11/2013 8:15:42 PM   
.Sirius


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quote:

ORIGINAL: JCR

Something re the F-106 Delta Dart.
In CWDB both the Air Defense Command and ANG versions have a internal cannon
In reality the cannon was added in "Project Six Shooter" in 1972 and replaced the Genie in the bomb bay.
So the original F-106 had none...

Ask I posted in the 460 build thread, the C 551 Garibaldi crashes the database viewer.
The unit itself has two weaprecs for 1. 16 Polaris and 2. 4 Polaris, while 0/4 Polaris would be better.

It also doesn't seem to have a magazine.



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/11/2013 8:16:13 PM   
.Sirius


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ORIGINAL: MR_BURNS2

EE Lightning F.6 of both databases has a Generic IRST instead of the RWR, you probably mistook one for the other.





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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/11/2013 8:17:08 PM   
.Sirius


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quote:

ORIGINAL: JCR

Some french changes:
1. T47 destroyer ASW conversion had no 57mm guns, but instead 2 100mm guns.
Parallel to the ASW and AAW conversions, there was a squadron flagship version without the foreward 57mm and 2 triple torpedo mounts.

2. The Narval class was around since the late 50s (1958, not the late 60s)

3. Also one could include U-Boats for france, they had 1 Type XXI (Roland Morrilot) and one each type IX and VII.
No Type VIIs for the Germans btw, the only U-Boats with the Bundesmarine were two XXIIIs and one XXI, but no VIICs.
The Norwegians had serveral VIICs (one of which is the Kiel museum uboat)
The East Germans raised a VIIC boat and planned to restore it and even build new ones, before the Soviets said no, so VIIs could be set to East Germany as a what if.

4. The Me 109s and He 111s for Spain should have their spanish names and RR Merlin engines, they were not german built.

(I feel bad with these tons of requests as the only guy. Can't you just release a DB editor and I can do it myself? ;))



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/11/2013 8:52:45 PM   
JCR

 

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The whole med navies need some serious beefing up, especially the Greeks and Yugoslavs :)

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 10:52:33 AM   
.Sirius


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Status: offline 		Hi JCR, no problems here on DB requests I just love them :),

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 11:10:33 AM   
JCR

 

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Status: offline 		Ok, since I have a thing for postwar axis ships, the surviving Condottieres apart from Garibaldi
Greeke:
Helli/Elli (I can't seem to find any pennant number) ex Eugieno di Savoia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_cruiser_Elli_%281935%29

Soviet Union:
Stalingrad/Kerch post 1953 ex Duca d'Aosta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_cruiser_Kerch

Italy Duca degli Abbruzzi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Duca_degli_Abruzzi
Same data for pre conversion Garibaldi


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 12:36:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yugoslav Navy:

Destroyers:
P11 Split (1958-1986)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_destroyer_Split

R 21 Kotor (ex HMS Kempenfelt, 1956-1973)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Kempenfelt_%28R03%29

R22 Pula (ex HMS Wager) (same class as Kempenfelt, 1956-1971)

Escort destroyers (ex torpedo boats)
RE 51 Triglav (ex italian Indomito, 1949-65)

RE 52 Biokovo (ex Italian Aliseo 1949-65)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciclone-class_torpedo_boat

They had the following armament:
Triglav (ex Indomito) 3 x 100mm italian, 4 x 20mm Oerlikon (source says "40mm Oerlikon" but photos don't show any 40mm mounts) and 1 german 20mm Flakvierling 38 quad mount plus the 2x2 450mm torpedo tubes and depth charges (4 k guns, 2 stern racks)
Biokovo/Aliseo only had 2 100mm but a second Flakvierling in place of the midships 100mm

RE 53 Dumitor (ex italian Ariete 1950-1967)

RE 54 Ucka (ex italian Balestra 1951-1967)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariete-class_torpedo_boat

Armament in yugoslav service:
Dumitor: 2 100mm, 2 x 40mm (source doesn't say which type), 1 Flakvierling 38 quad 20mm, 4 20mm single Breda, 1x3 450mm torp and 2 k guns for depth charges
Ucka: 2 88mm Flak 37 (german type), 1 40mm, 2 Flakvierlinge and 4 Bredas, torps and DCs identical
Ucka wasn't taken over complete but was captured incomplete at Rijeka and finished by the Yugoslavs, hence the 88mm guns. A second incomplete Ariete was too damaged to be completed

Torpedo boats to follow :)


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 2:36:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fool12342000

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aglj4LO3uHBqdHpVU2JHOWdaRWw4QXlFTFo3Uld5Ymc&usp=drive_web#gid=0

Issues are marked with color. Thanks!


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 2:43:51 PM   
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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 3:11:42 PM   
JCR

 

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Status: offline 		MTBs
Orjen Class (german prewar Lürssen S boat type)
http://www.harpoondatabases.com/Encyclopedia/Entry2905.aspx
Until 1955

Yugoslav Higgins 108 type
http://www.harpoondatabases.com/Encyclopedia/Entry1142.aspx
In contrary to the harpoon database entry, these had 2 18" torpedoes until 1960 and were armed with 1 Bofors aft and 2 20mm. Later as gunboats: 2 Bofors and 2 20mm, no torpedoes.
31 units, from 1951 to 1960 as torpedo boats, then as gunboats until 1965
(armament seem to vary a lot with these)

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 3:23:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		TBM-3W-2 and TBM-3S-2 have 100x "12.7mm/50 M2 MG Burst" per mount now.
Should be replaced by 6x "12.7mm/50 MG x 2 Burst [100 rnds]"

http://zh.scribd.com/doc/56154104/1945-AN-01-190EB-1-Pilot-s-Handbook-of-Flight-Operating-Instructions-Navy-Model-TBM-3-Airplane
page 54
280 + 40 per gun

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 6:45:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another thing:
The WW2 and pre WW2 soviet submarine classes make no sense.
I can't even make out what some classes are supposed to be.
There was no "E" class soviet submarine and the D class was quite old, while the L class was a minelayer and didn't have 5 torpedo tubes.
Also there's a boat with 5 torpedo tubes, not a single soviet sub ever had that.
PL-??? is weird because they simply had no project numbers.

Also is there a soviet straight runner? All I have as torpedoes are patter runners, but there must be a WW2 era torp as well.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 7:00:48 PM   
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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 7:02:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JCR

Another thing:
The WW2 and pre WW2 soviet submarine classes make no sense.
I can't even make out what some classes are supposed to be.
There was no "E" class soviet submarine and the D class was quite old, while the L class was a minelayer and didn't have 5 torpedo tubes.
Also there's a boat with 5 torpedo tubes, not a single soviet sub ever had that.
PL-??? is weird because they simply had no project numbers.

Also is there a soviet straight runner? All I have as torpedoes are patter runners, but there must be a WW2 era torp as well.



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/12/2013 8:16:09 PM   
JCR

 

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Soviet sub classes:
D class (old subs from the 20s and unreliable), used for training only
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekabrist-class_submarine

L Class Minelayers, probably also just used for training
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekabrist-class_submarine

P class, large but considered failures and used for transport, not active probably
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda-class_submarine

S Class or IX series, Oceangoing sub similar to german IX, good design decommissioned in the mid 50s, 4 sold to China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_S-class_submarine

K class, large submarine cruisers with heavy gun armament, decommissioned in the mid 50s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_K-class_submarine

Shch/SC or Shchuka class, medium sized mass produced sub built in large numbers, also decommissioned by 1955
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shchuka-class_submarine

M or Malyutka class, small coastal boat, built in large numbers, also served until the mid 50s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_M-class_submarine

The soviets also got 4 German type XXI submarines with B- numbers and 4 VIICs with S- numbers :)

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/13/2013 7:49:02 AM   
.Sirius


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:D
Soviet sub classes:
D class (old subs from the 20s and unreliable), used for training only
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekabrist-class_submarine

L Class Minelayers, probably also just used for training
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekabrist-class_submarine

P class, large but considered failures and used for transport, not active probably
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda-class_submarine

S Class or IX series, Oceangoing sub similar to german IX, good design decommissioned in the mid 50s, 4 sold to China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_S-class_submarine

K class, large submarine cruisers with heavy gun armament, decommissioned in the mid 50s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_K-class_submarine

Shch/SC or Shchuka class, medium sized mass produced sub built in large numbers, also decommissioned by 1955
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shchuka-class_submarine

M or Malyutka class, small coastal boat, built in large numbers, also served until the mid 50s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_M-class_submarine

The soviets also got 4 German type XXI submarines with B- numbers and 4 VIICs with S- numbers :)



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/13/2013 12:42:11 PM   
JCR

 

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Status: offline 		Since somebody else was dealing in Avengers allready.
Can you lower the cruise altitude of the TBM and other early ASW planes? When they get a contact they have to circle for minutes before they can launch weapons as they are always too high.
Something below 1000 meters would be right.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/13/2013 2:11:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: .Sirius

Noted and no heh
quote:

ORIGINAL: JCR

(I feel bad with these tons of requests as the only guy. Can't you just release a DB editor and I can do it myself? ;))




Actually, I have to say, as long as the editors do not mind updating the databases on a regular basis, I am glad that Command has official databases and that editing them has been made the responsibility of specific, approved editors. The "database wars" in Harpoon did a tremendous amount of damage to the Harpoon community. I hope we learn from those mistakes and do not repeat them!



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/13/2013 3:05:36 PM   
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BB Novorosskisk (ex Giulo Cesare) 1949-1955
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_battleship_Giulio_Cesare#Novorossiysk

Small bug:
The Skoryy (EM Skoryy) class is classified as a frigate, while it is a destroyer.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/13/2013 4:39:41 PM   
.Sirius


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Status: offline 		Hi JCR, one of the reasons for a closed DB is that no problems are created and you have one point of contact, I've noted all your DB requests and they will be actioned, at the moment Ragnar has the DB, I should get it back soon and update and add your requests

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