Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: CV60

Probably ya'll have thought about this, but the launch altitude info is already in the database. Is it possible to simply hard code the SS-N-3 to require it being at 0 feet AGL to launch, or is this a matter of the AI needing to understand the submarine needs to surface in order to fire? An additional issue to consider regarding the SS-N-3 is that a firing submarine had to remain surfaced for 8-30 minutes until the SHADDOCK's seeker found the target. See:

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-Cruise-Missiles.html#mozTocId742062; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/ss-n-3.htm; http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/theater/ss-n-3.htm; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-5_Pyatyorka

On a slightly related point, some of the earlier Soviet ASMs also had fairly stringent launch altitude issues also, so similar AI issues may be present with them.

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ORIGINAL: emsoy

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ORIGINAL: Der Zeitgeist

There's an inaccuracy with the SS-N-3a Shaddock missile. It currently can be launched by submarines that are submerged, but should only be able to be launched when on the surface. That was one of the main problems with the Soviet Juliett and Echo class subs. I updated my spreadsheet accordingly:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTk9byWTG-hdGJtTkY4QXNWRG4wLTlScjhjRXM0Qmc&usp=sharing#gid=0

Have been checking off a couple more intems in the list.

The SS-N-3a launch depth needs to wait as we need to get the AI to work with this as well.

Thanks!

Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!

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ORIGINAL: tobias02

Hi to all! There's an inaccuracy with the FREMM air facility,(have a two hangar; 1x medium Aircraft
and 1x large aircraft),and with the Cavour. Principally it's a carrier not an amphibious,
(Marina Militare Italiana site), and carry ad least 16 aircraft,
8 in his hangar and 8 in the open parking, (plus 6 spot on left side
for the heli). And maybe you can add the patrol vessel class "Comandanti"on database?
Thanks for the great game and sorry for my bad English!

Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!

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ORIGINAL: Anathema

Could I please request the following updates.

Royal Australian Navy's HMAS Sirius Replenishment Oiler

Royal New Zealand Navy's L421 Canterbury

AUSTRALIAN AIRCRAFT:
- A minor correction, the RAN NH90 should be TTH version and not the NFH naval version. (navy.gov.au news story)
- RAN is to replace S-70B Seahawk with 24 x MH-60R. (sikorsky.com press release on delivery of first aircraft)
- RAAF EA-18G Growlers to get AGM-88E HARM capability. (airforce-technology.com news story)

Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!

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ORIGINAL: emsoy

Thanks for your input

Yes we need to tailor the AI for some of these systems. The SS-N-3 and SS-N-12 limitations are already on my to-do list (for obvious reasons hehe) and also needs to be integrated into the mission planning/execution functionality. Complex stuff, so will get to it a little further down the road.

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ORIGINAL: fool12342000

SH-60J and SH-60K have no sonobuoy in their loadout currently.

According to
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/SH-60J_(%E8%88%AA%E7%A9%BA%E6%A9%9F)#.E4.B8.BB.E8.A6.81.E8.A3.85.E5.82.99.E5.93.81
They can carry 25x sonobuoys. (ƒ\ƒmƒuƒC)

Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!

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ORIGINAL: El Savior

Näcken-class submarine, Sweden.

Torpedoes TP-612 and TP-421 can't fire submarines, only surface contacts. Is this intentional or bug? Trying to attack submarine with Näcken-class but it has no weapons. This is originally torpedo boat class torpedo, but converted to submarine torpedo.

According to The Naval Institute Guide to World Naval Weapons Systems, 1997-1998 Egypt uses same torpedoes for Sea King helicopters. This is older 61 torpedo, but 612 is based on same. So they might be able to attack subs too.
Source: http://books.google.fi/books?id=l-DzknmTgDUC&pg=PA685&lpg=PA685&dq=tp 61 torpedo&source=bl&ots=2siPC-thFl&sig=FQz4jLf_7foZgV8eiO4AUJilhxU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F_CgUrn7CIbw4gT94IDABA&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=tp%2061%20torpedo&f=false

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ORIGINAL: fool12342000

Sorry, I don't have good reference.

But,it seems following sonobuoys are latest equipment according to JMSDF's announcement.
HQS-33D DICASS
HQS-13G-1 DIFAR
HQS-21D LOFAR

Source:
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/others/service/kanshi_koritsu/h23/pdf/r-sheet/0265.pdf
http://www.mod.go.jp/epco/supply/jisseki/choutatuyotei_dennon.pdf


SH-60J may not able to carry dipping sonar and sonobuoy simultaneously.

Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!

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ORIGINAL: Lerxt
24 x F-16's Block 25 upgraded to Blk 52 (no AMRAAM)
F-16's

8 x Apache AH-64 Longbow.

Submarines - 3 x Improved Chang Bogo

Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!

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ORIGINAL: El Savior

Näcken-class submarine, Sweden.

Torpedoes TP-612 and TP-421 can't fire submarines, only surface contacts. Is this intentional or bug? Trying to attack submarine with Näcken-class but it has no weapons. This is originally torpedo boat class torpedo, but converted to submarine torpedo.

According to The Naval Institute Guide to World Naval Weapons Systems, 1997-1998 Egypt uses same torpedoes for Sea King helicopters. This is older 61 torpedo, but 612 is based on same. So they might be able to attack subs too.
Source: http://books.google.fi/books?id=l-DzknmTgDUC&pg=PA685&lpg=PA685&dq=tp 61 torpedo&source=bl&ots=2siPC-thFl&sig=FQz4jLf_7foZgV8eiO4AUJilhxU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F_CgUrn7CIbw4gT94IDABA&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=tp%2061%20torpedo&f=false

Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!

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ORIGINAL: apd1004

Wow, 4 days ago seems like an eternity in this thread.

I also want to say thank you for fixing the ZSU-23-4 and jumping on all these requests & recommendations from the players.

Not sure how many of these ideas below are doable in CMANO, but I figure it doesn't hurt to discuss them. Some are pretty down in the weeds especially for a naval/air sim.

I'm thinking helicopters need a different way of being targets somehow, especially to AAA and fast mover jets engaging low-flying helicopters from altitude, at least over land. Big difference between a fast mover target and a helicopter target - even a fast helicopter - when it comes to AAA fire. How easy would it be to work in a new set of altitudes or profiles just for helicopters, one called "terrain masking" or similar (flying at speed at treetop level or lower) and another called "popup mode" (no forward movement, hiding behind trees)? A helicopter in popup mode would be the most difficult to engage while terrain masking would be difficult but less than popup mode to engage, as opposed to flying straight and level above the ground objects (which helicopters rarely do on the battlefield). Obviously only certain types of helicopters would be capable of popup mode, mainly dedicated attack helicopters such as AH-64, Mi-24, etc. On the opposite end of the spectrum you have anti-aircraft weapons such as the SA-19 on the 2S6, which were designed specifically to counter popup tactics and they should have a higher PoK in that case.

fool12342000 had a great idea with his formula for PoK adjustments depending on several different modifiers rather than just a base modifier for how nimble the aircraft is. An aircraft just flying along that all the sudden gets engaged by a SAM might get treated a bit different (it is able to take evasive action fairly easy) than an aircraft that is engaging a ground target with a weapon and needs to fly relatively straight and level while using that weapon (engaged offensive in the middle of designating a LGB for example)? Maybe different levels of evasive action (full, limited, none) or a choice to abort weapon deployment to evade. Conversely, a SAM engaging right at its minimum range or a "snap shot" would have its own modifiers applied.

Thanks again for your efforts at keeping the DB3K a living, breathing, document.

Cheers

Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!

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ORIGINAL: emsoy

Have corrected the Tp 421 as per Jakob's instructions

Thanks again Jakob.

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ORIGINAL: El Savior

Great! So Tp 421 is capable to attack subs?