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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 4:53:24 PM

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The Americans have an 70% chance of declaring war on the Japanese and Germans. They have no choice but to go for it....

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I would say that now it is time for Japan to declare war on US whether they are ready or not.

Edit: At least they can attempt a Pearl Harbor kind of port strike. Then someone can say one of the most famous world war II quotes: "I think World War II just started".

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Why wouldn't Japan just be happy America is out of the war as long as possible?

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 4:55:30 PM

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For the Soviets, the north looks dire. They have at least been able to form a line of sorts behind the Dneiper, but the swamp land north of Riga has made getting away almost impossible.

I say that things looks good for the Soviet Union. Germany will soon be in trouble.

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Interesting view. They certainly have some strong assets in the south, and the Dneiper should afford them some good measure of protection, but - all things being equal - the Germans should be able to take Pskov and Vitebsk this turn together with clearance of the Baltic States.

The Soviet reinforcements are not that much greater than the Germans next turn.

So instead fighting outside Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad the Germans fight outside Pskov, Vitebsk and Kiev. Once again I say that things are looking good for USSR.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 5:00:24 PM

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The Americans have an 70% chance of declaring war on the Japanese and Germans. They have no choice but to go for it....

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I would say that now it is time for Japan to declare war on US whether they are ready or not.

Edit: At least they can attempt a Pearl Harbor kind of port strike. Then someone can say one of the most famous world war II quotes: "I think World War II just started".

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Why wouldn't Japan just be happy America is out of the war as long as possible?

I always prefer to surprise my enemy rather than be surprised myself. By declaring war Japan might do some damage to enemy ships and convoys. If US declare war then there is a risk that US annihilate the Japanese CP's. Besides. Japan should be able to do some invasions during the surprise. Remember that notional defences are lowered by one during the surprise.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 5:02:27 PM

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For the Soviets, the north looks dire. They have at least been able to form a line of sorts behind the Dneiper, but the swamp land north of Riga has made getting away almost impossible.

I say that things looks good for the Soviet Union. Germany will soon be in trouble.

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Interesting view. They certainly have some strong assets in the south, and the Dneiper should afford them some good measure of protection, but - all things being equal - the Germans should be able to take Pskov and Vitebsk this turn together with clearance of the Baltic States.

The Soviet reinforcements are not that much greater than the Germans next turn.

So instead fighting outside Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad the Germans fight outside Pskov, Vitebsk and Kiev. Once again I say that things are looking good for USSR.

Where is all the USSR militia and garrisons? Russia should almost only produce infantry class units during the first turn of war with Germany!

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 5:28:57 PM

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The Americans have an 70% chance of declaring war on the Japanese and Germans. They have no choice but to go for it....

RATS

I would say that now it is time for Japan to declare war on US whether they are ready or not.

Edit: At least they can attempt a Pearl Harbor kind of port strike. Then someone can say one of the most famous world war II quotes: "I think World War II just started".

warspite1

Why wouldn't Japan just be happy America is out of the war as long as possible?

I always prefer to surprise my enemy rather than be surprised myself. By declaring war Japan might do some damage to enemy ships and convoys. If US declare war then there is a risk that US annihilate the Japanese CP's. Besides. Japan should be able to do some invasions during the surprise. Remember that notional defences are lowered by one during the surprise.

Consider it this way.
The USA just attempted to DoW Germany. They will try again til successful.

If Japan sits on the sideline and waits for some nation to declare war on her, after the USA is at War with Germany, she is screwed.

The CW could DoW on Japan without worry. Depriving Japan of any surprise.

The USA when at war can move ALL its units, anywhere anytime anyplace. Those juicy CV's and BB's will just go play in the Atlantic. Not soaking up the sun in Pearl Harbor, waiting for the war to come to them.

Then someone in Japan will say, "Do you ever wonder if this war's going to catch up with us?"

Japan must make plans.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 5:30:30 PM

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The turn moves back to the Germans, who once more order the Italians to stay quiet.

The Luftwaffe calls upon their Stuka staffeln to ground strike certain key targets once more.

The first attack is northeast of Riga, and is successful in disorganising a motorised division.

The second attack is against Riga itself, but again, only one of three units are hit.

The next target is east of Riga and 2 out of 4 units are hit, including the 4th Mechanised Army.

Finally, and vitally, the two units out of supply north of Minsk are both ground struck meaning their value will be just 2....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 5:50:44 PM

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The Germans are to attempt 5 attacks this impulse. Although none of these will take place in the south as the lack of aircraft there has caught up with the Wehrmacht...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 5:55:29 PM

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No aircraft can assist either side nor can HQ support be provided.

The first attack, led by the 4th SS Mechanised Corps, is north of the Pripet Marshes and designed to put Yeremenko tothe west out of supply.

Its a 7 and the defending Garrison unit is destroyed for no loss.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 6:00:46 PM

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Maybe I got that wrong because the HQ is still showing in supply (but I don't see how). The table will be Assault as the Germans have no armour for this attack and its only 2:1 +1 so the Nakatomi dice need to be on form....

....oh dear its a 3(4) and the Germans lose a unit and are disorganised...OUCH!

I hope that was not a bug...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 6:02:57 PM

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Attack 3 is automatic and sees the Soviets lose an Infantry and an Artillery piece, for no loss, on the road to Vitebsk.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 6:07:46 PM

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The penultimate attack is a 2:1 +2 against the three Soviet units east of Riga. If the Germans are to clear the Baltic States this turn, they could really do with this one coming off....

...but its a 1!! (3). There is one loss each but all the attackers are disorganised and that has just about ended progress in the Baltics...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 6:11:23 PM

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The final attack is a 2:1 +1 and the Germans are far from confident given what has happened so far...its only a 4(5)...

Disastrous turn for the Wehrmacht, who lose a mechanised corps...

They simply got too greedy... They could have gone for 2-3 high odds attacks and made certain but...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 6:31:22 PM

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I think you caught your own mistake there.

You make those attacks at the end of the turn, not on impulse 3 of a Jul/Aug turn. Germans are pretty much toast for doing a lot more. 4 armored corps out of it with a destroyed high quality mech corps. Totally unnecessary. Make one attack, then the other.

Something else as an observation (and others feel free to chime in and perhaps this is more personal preference, but..). I think while ground strikes are nice and should be used under certain circumstances (Like against enemy HQ units), for the Germans on the march, it generally isn't a good idea. Each time a ground strike is used, it is before the Germans can move forward. Also, each time a ground strike is used, that is one less aircraft the Germans can rebase forward. I almost think the Germans are better off saving as many rebases as they can and use the Luftwaffe in more of a ground support role. Planes doing ground support can fly up, do their business, then land at a new forward base after the Germans have moved in a given turn.

Just my 2 cents.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/6/2014 3:38:33 AM

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The Allies do more shuffling of units - particularly the Soviets who now have a reasonable, if thin, defensive line on the Dneiper.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/6/2014 3:40:12 AM

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The Germans used their last HQ in the north - Guderian - to organise some ground troops. After the debacle of the last turn, the plan is to keep it simple. No ground strikes either, to allow aircraft to be brought up in the south.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/6/2014 3:53:43 AM

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There are three attacks planned - two in the Soviet Union and one in China.

East of Riga, the Germans fly in two aircraft to try and bring the odds up. The Germans need both through and, on the basis that if they lose the hex they lose the fighter anyway, the Soviets decide to try and make a stand. They bring in two bombers and two fighters. The Germans respond with their two available fighters...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/6/2014 4:01:36 AM

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Whoops.. I've just realised that the Germans have forgotten to fly one of their fighters as a bomber. That means they cannot get better odds anyway. It also means that the Soviets are at a 7.8:4.4 disadvantage.

Round 1

13 (AC) The Ju-88 is cleared through
8 (DA) The Allied players decides to abort the front fighter. They can only alter the odds by getting both bombers through so will abort at the end of the round having stopped the Germans from increasing the odds.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/6/2014 4:05:12 AM

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First attack is that in China. This is very risky - a 2:1 no modifier on the assault table - but the Japanese have stalled in China and the Communists are growing stronger all the time...

...its only a 4. The Japanese lose one unit and are disorganised...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/6/2014 4:09:32 AM

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The number 4 seems to be pretty popular at the moment... The Germans are nervous for the next two attacks.

First up is the attack in Latvia at 3:1 +1 on the Blitzkrieg table....

...unbelievable! its another 4(5). The Soviets lose the 33rd Infantry Army and the 4th Mechanised is forced to retreat, but the Germans in the Baltics are now all disorganised and have no more HQ to change the situation..

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/6/2014 4:14:41 AM

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The final attack is that against the pesky Yeremenko. This is 5:1 +1 on the Blitzkrieg table and so should be okay...

...its a 9 (10). The HQ is destroyed. This puts one of the two Soviet Infantry armies in the Pripet Marshes out of supply too.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/6/2014 1:40:13 PM

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Just curious as to why you destroyed the Japanese engineer (3 build points, 5 turns to build) vs the Garrison (2 build points, 2 turns). I have made a mistake in the past about just destroying divisions. That can be a mistake if you look at their cost/time of construction. It is often cheaper to kill a infantry or milita corps. While your combat power may go down a bit more in the short term, economically, it is better long term both in terms of time and build points.

Russians are looking good at this point, but may consider a bit of a step back in the Baltic states since the Germans can't do anything about it now. The Baltic states are really a side show in WiF given the terrain there. 4-1 +1 on blitz is a pretty good attack. Just didn't work out unfortunately.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/7/2014 5:15:45 AM

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The final attack is that against the pesky Yeremenko. This is 5:1 +1 on the Blitzkrieg table and so should be okay...

...its a 9 (10). The HQ is destroyed. This puts one of the two Soviet Infantry armies in the Pripet Marshes out of supply too.

Huzzah!!

Well done Warspite!! Keep up the pressure, get em out of supply and wallop them!!

Great AAR sir!!

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/7/2014 8:05:55 PM

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The final attack is that against the pesky Yeremenko. This is 5:1 +1 on the Blitzkrieg table and so should be okay...

...its a 9 (10). The HQ is destroyed. This puts one of the two Soviet Infantry armies in the Pripet Marshes out of supply too.

Huzzah!!

Well done Warspite!! Keep up the pressure, get em out of supply and wallop them!!

Great AAR sir!!

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Hello Empire old chap. How are you getting on with the game?

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/8/2014 1:20:36 PM

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The play switches back to the Allies and in particular the Soviet attempts to restore the position in northern Russia.

Meanwhile the US Pacific Fleet is starting to take shape at Pearl Harbor..

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/8/2014 1:27:03 PM

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The CW continue their slow and steady progress inside Libya. With such a precarious supply line, the Italians do not seek to contest the border at this stage.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/8/2014 2:15:36 PM

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The Germans switch focus to the Ukraine and the need to forge a bridgehead over the Dneiper. They bring in a trusty Stuka for a ground strike against the salient southwest of Dnepropetrovsk. The Soviets cannot contest this thanks to the fighter reinforcements the Luftwaffe flew to the region at the end of last turn. One Soviet unit was disorganised in the attack.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/8/2014 2:21:26 PM

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You are giving the Japanese a far to big Pearl Harbor to do. Never put more than 3 CV's in that port, since you can't extract all CV's to prevent them from being port attacked in the surprise impulse...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/8/2014 2:24:52 PM

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There are three attacks planned in Europe, two in the Soviet Union and one against the Partisan in Paris. Japan stalls on an attack against Kunming in the hope that the weather remains good (and that the turn continues) as they can get additional units to take part by waiting.

For the attack in the Ukraine, Timoshenko attempts HQ support (it fails) and there are no aircraft that can affect the battle.

The attack is 2:1 +2 on the Blitzkrieg table....

...its a 9(11) and both Timoshenko and the 7th Guard Infantry are destroyed!

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/8/2014 2:26:37 PM

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You are giving the Japanese a far to big Pearl Harbor to do. Never put more than 3 CV's in that port, since you can't extract all CV's to prevent them from being port attacked in the surprise impulse...

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Don't be silly... the US has a secret weapon:

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/8/2014 2:42:21 PM

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I forgot to do the attack on the Partisan

but the second attack was automatic against the out of supply unit in the woods.

Anyway, that aside, that was a key attack in the Ukraine. What do the Soviets do now?

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