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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/11/2014 8:35:53 PM   
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a lot of juicy targets... IF he don't retreat you may grab the rest of his strong corps as well.
very interesting situation, he might be in panic now of loosing Moscow.

He withdraws units west of Moscow to defend the Oka line

As shown above, I prefer keeping my momentum instead of attacking frontally Moscow


Yeah, I would have done the same, of course :-)
Happy hunting!

(btw, looking at the CVs getting 'all-in' is the only way... vorwarts, marsch-marsch :-) )

I'm 4 turns ahead of the AAR and all-in is exciting but exhausting and you never know if you won't fall in a death trap!


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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/11/2014 8:39:30 PM   
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I'm 4 turns ahead of the AAR and all-in is exciting but exhausting and you never know if you won't fall in a death trap!



its a great read, thanks for putting it up

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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/11/2014 8:42:24 PM   
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Keep on moving!!! South and east! 2 pockets created and I'm close from m lines.



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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/11/2014 8:59:04 PM   
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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/11/2014 9:37:56 PM   
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this IS really exciting stuff, you know

This multiple pockets went better then I have hoped, remarkably well executed - I doubt if there are any good moves for him left instead of just running...

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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/12/2014 8:57:31 PM   
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great, another update!

this IS really exciting stuff, you know

Thanks

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This multiple pockets went better then I have hoped, remarkably well executed - I doubt if there are any good moves for him left instead of just running...

Sometimes, it's better to give ground...

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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/12/2014 9:05:08 PM   
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Collapse of russian center front!!! Several new pockets!

It will be hard for the red army to restore a continuous front without giving ground


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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/13/2014 8:24:34 PM   
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I keep on advancing and try to create new pockets.



But I divide my Pzd/Mot strength... I think it's a mistake. It's dangerous for my momentum.

I'm always surprised with the ability of the soviet player to rebuild a continuous front!

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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/14/2014 12:16:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		... but you put him under enormous pressure - it's not only another half million gone, no, but all his carefully nursed Guards and Corps.

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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/14/2014 5:20:45 AM   
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... but you put him under enormous pressure - it's not only another half million gone, no, but all his carefully nursed Guards and Corps.

You're right.

Trading experienced Guards with 60+ morale against rifle divs with 40 morale isn't a good deal.


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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/14/2014 7:58:26 PM   
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Bad turn for the russians, I've reached the Volga and Saratov!

Some pockets are hard to reduce as my best units are very far forward.

Most important news, I keep my momentum.







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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/14/2014 8:54:54 PM   
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... but you put him under enormous pressure - it's not only another half million gone, no, but all his carefully nursed Guards and Corps.

You're right.

Trading experienced Guards with 60+ morale against rifle divs with 40 morale isn't a good deal.



I think that is where you have inflicted so much damage - its not just numbers and terrain, you've taken out the core of the Red Army 2.0 which has to delay any counterattack - on the assumption that you don't actually win the game with this 1942 offensive

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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/14/2014 11:07:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Terrific job pushing to the Volga. With his current losses at turn 60 plus what's in the bag over these latest turns, he has to be stretched to the limit. Even after the Fall rains you should be able to resume the offensive in winter. Maybe finish off Stalingrad if you haven't done so before. That should be enough population centers off line to insure a victory at some level, even if the game extends to 1945.

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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/15/2014 8:41:26 AM   
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Heavy fights around Penza, I'm unable to keep the pocket closed.

I advance north of Saratov, waiting for the Inf to take the city.

Some others soviets units in bad shape north of the Don.



A view of the USSR destroyed units



And the OOB


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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/15/2014 8:44:55 AM   
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... but you put him under enormous pressure - it's not only another half million gone, no, but all his carefully nursed Guards and Corps.

You're right.

Trading experienced Guards with 60+ morale against rifle divs with 40 morale isn't a good deal.



I think that is where you have inflicted so much damage - its not just numbers and terrain, you've taken out the core of the Red Army 2.0 which has to delay any counterattack - on the assumption that you don't actually win the game with this 1942 offensive


I won't get the 290VP before the mud. I have currently 232VP. The question is: Is it compulsory to take Moscow in order to achieve such result?


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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/15/2014 8:46:44 AM   
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Terrific job pushing to the Volga. With his current losses at turn 60 plus what's in the bag over these latest turns, he has to be stretched to the limit. Even after the Fall rains you should be able to resume the offensive in winter. Maybe finish off Stalingrad if you haven't done so before. That should be enough population centers off line to insure a victory at some level, even if the game extends to 1945.


I think I will resume the offensive during winter. I've already lived 1944/1945 as german and I found the time very very long

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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/15/2014 11:45:56 AM   
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I'm under pressure on the Penza sector. Russians units will escape.

I focuse on Saratov and drive to Stalingrad



And all these pockets have a clear impact on soviet OOB. It is under 6M men!




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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/15/2014 7:14:01 PM   
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Richtung Süd!

Resistance is too strong in front of Penza and russians reinforcements arrive quickly north of Saratov.

2 Pz Corps are left near Saratov to act as firemen (the city has been taken )

All other are now between Don and Volga



And the las pockets have badly hurt the russians





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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/16/2014 3:21:59 PM   
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Heading South, the Don line is over!

I try to cross the Volga east of Stalingrad and have taken the southern part of the city.


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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/16/2014 9:07:15 PM   
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Full speed South and east!


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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/17/2014 8:10:27 AM   
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Last turn before the mud

I decide to maximize my ground gains, even if it's not safe for my spearhead units

- I take Vorochilovsk and advance beyond
- Rostov is isolated (even if the troops are supplied by sea)
- I reach Krasnodar and destroy a lot of rail
- A bridge head is established on the lower Volga



I'm satisfied with my summer campaign
- Russian OOB is below 6M (my target was 7M)
- A lot of ground has been taken

Below the russian units destroyed



But I'm very far from the 290 VP!!

What shall I do now?

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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/17/2014 10:35:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Krasnodar would be a good population center to take down if you can't quite manage Stalingrad.

Your army appears close to being gassed, but at the right time. Mud will help the Russians recover but it will help you somewhat as well. His army size is still keeping him in the game but where he looks to be hurting is in the tank department. He should have twice the numbers given how few tank corps that you bagged. He seems to have lost enough brigades though to make a dent in the numbers. Look for an opportunity to bag some tank corps as part of your winter offensive. I can't see him making any real headway until February and if you take more of his armor out, it will weaken what gains he can manage. It will also keep eating into his available APs if he has to replace those.

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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/18/2014 1:05:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't let operational questions or shortlived tactical aspects ever never dictate your strategical choice.
You have identified your target, the destruction of the Sowjet Army, as you would nowhere get enough points for a sudden Death.
Ok, he's back to Red Army 1.01, but you have diluted your Panzers over half the front now. Regroup. Go for a second Penza(*) with all necessary forces.
M60 is right, you have allready decimated the Cav Corps, so IMHO I would look now for the Tank Corps and all the other stuff which he could use for a serious counterstrike.
Only one big pocket more but with all his fast units trapped inside... and perhaps, maybe Germany could even survive this exercise.
A pocket with strategical impact.
ASAP.

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or any other side he must fight for; but don't get after the cities or the terrain, get after his mobile forces






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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/20/2014 9:53:23 PM   
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Krasnodar would be a good population center to take down if you can't quite manage Stalingrad.

Your army appears close to being gassed, but at the right time. Mud will help the Russians recover but it will help you somewhat as well. His army size is still keeping him in the game but where he looks to be hurting is in the tank department. He should have twice the numbers given how few tank corps that you bagged. He seems to have lost enough brigades though to make a dent in the numbers. Look for an opportunity to bag some tank corps as part of your winter offensive. I can't see him making any real headway until February and if you take more of his armor out, it will weaken what gains he can manage. It will also keep eating into his available APs if he has to replace those.

You're right, I will keep on destroying his army. VP will follow

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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/20/2014 9:55:11 PM   
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Don't let operational questions or shortlived tactical aspects ever never dictate your strategical choice.
You have identified your target, the destruction of the Sowjet Army, as you would nowhere get enough points for a sudden Death.


+1

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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/21/2014 10:25:04 AM   
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Mud is over. I continued to reduce the pockets during the last turns

Interesting development near Krasnodar. I'm always focused on destroying soviet army.

What shall I do with Crimea?
- an assault will use 1 or 2 Pz Corps
- seizure of Crimea will free roughly 10 divs (8 romanians/2 germans)


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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/21/2014 1:50:21 PM   
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RE: 2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/21/2014 2:45:40 PM   
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Could we have a closer look at all this Tankcorps still in the frontline at StGrd?

They have a CV around 4

I will post closest screens during the next turns

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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/21/2014 3:14:22 PM   
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Great turn, SHC OOB is under 6M, Novorossiysk is taken, Krasnodar surrounded and my PzD progress towards Grorny

My advance towards Astrakhan aims to lengthen russians defensive lines



And a closest view on Penza/Saratov. My position isn't optimal as I have to maintain PzD/Mot on the first line due to the lack of Inf Divs available.


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2 frogs in mild blizzard (frogmarc welcome) - 2/21/2014 7:14:30 PM   
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Advance continues at a slow rate. Railhead are far behind. Touapse is taken


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