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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/18/2014 1:50:10 PM

JuanG

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You are right for some idotic reason i put in my head that the Fletcher had 4 double turrets, might had picturing some British ship instead. No i am not talking about Babes. From the glimpses i got about Babes it seems to go in right direction. In navweps /38 has some 16km range and /50 gun 18,3km strangely in game this goes for 18km vs 20km which makes them both too good. I now think the divergence between them is not so big to warrant my critic.

I think you're thinking of the pre-war Porter and Sumers class DDs. They had four twin 5" mounts and are, frankly, some of the best DDs available to the Allies until the Fletchers come along. Great in the AAA role and tough to beat in the surface role as well. The only thing that they don't have, which I wish they did, is armor like the Fletchers.

Porter and Somers 5in/38s are low angle only, so their AA should be notably worse than other pre-war classes with DP 5in/38s like the Benson.

Still excellent surface combatants though.

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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/18/2014 11:10:02 PM

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I think you're thinking of the pre-war Porter and Sumers class DDs. They had four twin 5" mounts and are, frankly, some of the best DDs available to the Allies until the Fletchers come along.

Yes that was it.

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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/19/2014 5:30:07 AM

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Never Never Never put fast ships with slow! if you want to win a fight! just be sitting Ducks

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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/19/2014 2:52:42 PM

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Yep I agree, i understood the opposite. In french we use something like "blocking the T" so for me crossing the T is like you try to go trough but I was wrong.

Simply a case of a different understanding due to language. It's all good.

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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/19/2014 3:45:59 PM

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Never Never Never put fast ships with slow! if you want to win a fight! just be sitting Ducks

Then you never give your old BBs a destroyer escort?

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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/19/2014 3:49:10 PM

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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/19/2014 6:09:19 PM

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You are right for some idotic reason i put in my head that the Fletcher had 4 double turrets, might had picturing some British ship instead. No i am not talking about Babes. From the glimpses i got about Babes it seems to go in right direction. In navweps /38 has some 16km range and /50 gun 18,3km strangely in game this goes for 18km vs 20km which makes them both too good. I now think the divergence between them is not so big to warrant my critic.

I think you're thinking of the pre-war Porter and Sumers class DDs. They had four twin 5" mounts and are, frankly, some of the best DDs available to the Allies until the Fletchers come along. Great in the AAA role and tough to beat in the surface role as well. The only thing that they don't have, which I wish they did, is armor like the Fletchers.

Porter and Somers 5in/38s are low angle only, so their AA should be notably worse than other pre-war classes with DP 5in/38s like the Benson.

Still excellent surface combatants though.

Interesting, the game models these classes with high-angle twin DP 5in/38s like the later Sumner class, giving it an AA value of over 300, but it shouldn't be nearly that effective. I wonder if there's a way to change that?

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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/19/2014 8:02:32 PM

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In editor make a gun with less altitude, that is my first thought.

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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/19/2014 11:56:42 PM

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Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
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Right there. The Japanese ships were tied up and sitting ducks when the Allies showed up.

The odd part of that is that the Japanese crossed the T. That seems to indicate some kind of advantage, not being "sitting ducks."

I have found "crossing the T" to be more of a disadvantage in this game than an advantage.

Nine times out of ten when I cross the tee only my lead ship fires while getting fired on in return by the entire enemy force.

Crossing the T seems to be bass ackwards in this game ...

Do you PBEM or vs. the AI?

I ask because I play vs. the AI and have seen the expected results of enemy lead ships firing first and then my TF answers effectively.

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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/20/2014 1:26:51 AM

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You are right for some idotic reason i put in my head that the Fletcher had 4 double turrets, might had picturing some British ship instead. No i am not talking about Babes. From the glimpses i got about Babes it seems to go in right direction. In navweps /38 has some 16km range and /50 gun 18,3km strangely in game this goes for 18km vs 20km which makes them both too good. I now think the divergence between them is not so big to warrant my critic.

I think you're thinking of the pre-war Porter and Sumers class DDs. They had four twin 5" mounts and are, frankly, some of the best DDs available to the Allies until the Fletchers come along. Great in the AAA role and tough to beat in the surface role as well. The only thing that they don't have, which I wish they did, is armor like the Fletchers.

Porter and Somers 5in/38s are low angle only, so their AA should be notably worse than other pre-war classes with DP 5in/38s like the Benson.

Still excellent surface combatants though.

Interesting, the game models these classes with high-angle twin DP 5in/38s like the later Sumner class, giving it an AA value of over 300, but it shouldn't be nearly that effective. I wonder if there's a way to change that?

Actually, atleast in stock and DBB they are using the "SP EBR" version of the 5in/38, which is not high angle capable. They switch later in the war to 2x2 and 1x1 high angle 5in/38s.

They probably get that AAA value from lighter weapons.

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RE: Most one sided Fletcher Fight ever? - 6/21/2014 8:06:33 AM

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Occured to me something similar to this, a bit worse actually 2 US DD vs 1CL+8DD = 1 US DD vs 4 Jap DD sunk, more damaged. When the US DD started to fire hit easily every jap destroyer so i believe the reason is only one: