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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/26/2014 11:37:15 AM   
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Feel pretty good here, troops are mostly in position, moving in more AA and some ENG, reserves are strong, no sight of Allied shipping to worry about, supply good prior to the Monsoon, the only worry is his hitting the air bases one after the other but Magwe is almost fully repaired.

I may sortie some cruisers up to bombard Rangoon.






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/26/2014 12:01:09 PM   
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Pretty quiet. I have a ring of nice air bases, Allied detection on bases is very low to non-existant, naval search a little better.

Will launch a bombing run on Brisbane in a couple of days with 48 Emilies. At the same time I might hit further north with Betties from Port Moresby -- still pondering that move.

Umboi is a nice CD festung, will get some mines and more ground troops there shortly, but it will preclude moving ships up along NG.

I am watching Rabual simply get pounded by the Allied air in Spidery's game; this area is just hard to defend....my thought was to use multiple air bases to extract some kind of toll on the Americans especially with Lilly DB. Plenty of air in the area, but I need more air support (I need that everywhere).

However, I think the Allies simply aren't interested in this area at all. They can bypass it to the north with no problems I guess.








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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/26/2014 12:12:32 PM   
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Digging. And more digging.




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/26/2014 12:50:04 PM   
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However, I think the Allies simply aren't interested in this area at all. They can bypass it to the north with no problems I guess.

Which is why it is dangerous to fortify here ...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/26/2014 12:52:35 PM   
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I would leave them. It might be inhibiting the allies from rebuilding that unit. ... just keep a few AV worth of troops in Milne and you are fine ...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/26/2014 9:18:19 PM   
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I would leave them. It might be inhibiting the allies from rebuilding that unit. ... just keep a few AV worth of troops in Milne and you are fine ...


Thanks, i will then. I fly CAP over them every now and then but don't catch anything.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/26/2014 9:30:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did my turn and think I made a mistake, I bombed the airfield and Kunming last turn, with escorts and sweeps (I got a few planes) and then I forgot to take them off...not a major mistake I hope.

The KB and surface groups are moving back to Kavieng to refuel; they were spotted last turn with dl better than 1. I may take the time now to send them back all the way to the HI for upgrades. I have the mini KB heading back for upgrades. Not sure.

Just moving troops and supplies....I did send a very small strike group of planes to Nauru 4 Kates and 3 Zeroes set to a 5 strike bombing run very low. I hope they may get a shot at some of the dinky 2 ships screening task forces the Americans like to use. Their loss would be nothing spectacular, they are just fractional squadrons trained for this use.

I think the lesson here, at least for me, is don't commit the KB on this perimeter....hence my thinking of sending it back for upgrades so I am not tempted to do something rash. Soon the Allies will be attacking all over the place, and I can have the KB act with much better knowledge of enemy dispositions. That is purely wishful thinking on my part.





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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/26/2014 9:32:22 PM   
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However, I think the Allies simply aren't interested in this area at all. They can bypass it to the north with no problems I guess.

Which is why it is dangerous to fortify here ...


Once again your advice is very timely, I have a division down there I think I will pull out now, while I can.


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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 12:04:25 AM   
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... the fact the KB is a one shot weapon now...the losses are appalling. I think the lesson here, at least for me, is don't commit the KB....

I don't know about not commit, I think you have to at some point, but I definitely pick my spot(s) carefully. AFter mid-43 I know that the best outcome is that my air groups will be demolished and need to be almost completely rebuilt. On the downside, I may lose a lot of CV's as Spidery. Either way, it is pricey.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 12:26:27 AM   
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I don't know about not commit, I think you have to at some point,


I didn't explain myself well enough, but in essence not commit on this perimeter. Which agrees with you point about picking spots.

The KB needs to live long enough to save the Japanese industry for as long as possible...or that is my operating philosophy for this game. My perimeter is much better than I ever would have thought back in Aug 42...no reason to get victory disease.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 2:43:06 AM   
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I don't know about not commit, I think you have to at some point,


I didn't explain myself well enough, but in essence not commit on this perimeter. Which agrees with you point about picking spots.

The KB needs to live long enough to save the Japanese industry for as long as possible...or that is my operating philosophy for this game. My perimeter is much better than I ever would have thought back in Aug 42...no reason to get victory disease.

Agreed. I only commit the KB when the future of the empire is in peril OR when I have been able to create a circumstance where the odds are in my favor (ie a trap set and the allies have walked in )

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 10:32:48 AM   
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Allied Night bombing of Raheng in Indochina. No damage.

Several IJN submarine attacks near Nauru, but the submarines cannot penetrate the screens...a pity as there are some choice targets here.

The Allies heavily bomb Prome, the ground troops there, and the AA puts up a great fight having rested for several days. It would have been a good day to CAP over Prome since his fighter coverage was light.

Leaving my air raid on Kunming costs me 7 Oscars, but no Betties, as the sweeping Nicks arrive late to the party...violated my guerilla air force strategy here by oversight. My bad! Sometimes I feel the better player is the one that keeps the best notes.





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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 10:45:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here are the better targets the subs were trying to get to....

I had a squadron of 20 Jakes at Ocean set for night naval bombing but they don't fly. Probably would have missed and simply been shot down by heavy flak anyhow.

My 4 plane Kate strike force and their 3 Zero escorts are overmatched, just slightly, and they cower in their bunkers at Nauru. Pretty good choice not to fly.

All those 1, 2, and 3 ship screens are a pain.

I think I tried to trap the Americans, and in return, the Americans tried to trap me with both sides really 1 day late...although I was not nearly as aggressive as the Americans.








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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 11:04:26 AM   
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Looks like the Allies might have had a fair number of fighters flying long range CAP over those destroyers, weakening their escort on the Prome strike.

4 days till the monsoon...






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 11:39:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think my response the American carriers near Nauru is simply going to be subs, I can have about 10 vector in...it is hard to believe that my sake drinking naval search pilots spotted a convoy of 5 CVEs and no other ships, but CVEs are great submarine targets...

I am sending ships to start the withdrawl of the experienced 56th Division from Lunga leaving a Naval Guard unit in their place.

Not sure what to do in Burma...I think perhaps nothing. I am curious to see what plans he has in store for those 9 destroyers.

I guess the quiet period of my game is over, it lasted what a month? Less.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 11:51:20 AM   
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Despite day and night aerial searches; 4 surface groups, I cannot get rid of these submarines. I worry that they will lay a minefield there and have a precious minesweeper close by of which I have very few left.

There is always tomorrow.

Speaking of minefields, I left a sub minefield at Madras two days ago, but no joy.






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 12:21:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I don't really know your opponent, his actions in the pacific and Burma indicate a fairly sophisticated approach to allied progression. I continue to watch your Burma deployments with great interest, and not a small amount of worry.

Can you post a current world map again?

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 12:34:10 PM   
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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 12:48:16 PM   
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Nauru Island - Allows Allied PB4Y-1P Recon (ranges 25 & 31) to spy on Truk!!



You are behind the curve for once.




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 12:53:43 PM   
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While I don't really know your opponent, his actions in the pacific and Burma indicate a fairly sophisticated approach to allied progression. I continue to watch your Burma deployments with great interest, and not a small amount of worry.

Can you post a current world map again?


I am truly blessed with a gracious and vigorous opponent.

I worry about Burma too, but will I continue to hold to my 4 operating principles here. In a way, if all those American carriers would have shown up in the Bay of Bengal all the troops would be embarking on railroad cars.




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 2:10:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn is away and we will see if there is an invasion of Nauru or Ocean. I think not, but have known to be very wrong in the past.

Only submarines and coastal guns stand in his way.

In other news: Betty 3a will start production in a day or two. No aggressive moves by Japan this day as I watch and wait. Working on the usual, pilot training, search and recon, moving and preparing forces, convoys, and ASW.

Magwe is almost back up and repaired, I may use it to launch some sweep before the monsoon hits.


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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 5:45:43 PM   
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Allied bombers hit several bases in Indochina/Burma and then also Kusaie in the Marshalls at night.

A IJN AK catches a torpedo off Lunga, sinking sounds heard later in the day, and the AK turns out only to have 3 Major Float and 7 overall Float damage. No clue what sunk.

During the day, Allied bombers hit several bases all along the perimeter from Burma/Indochina, to NG. No damage done.

Allied carriers disappear...






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 6:53:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am trying a fairly low altitude sweep at Cox's with 4 Sentai from Magwe. There is only a handful of Allied fighters there, but I should get some from Chittagong. We will see how it works out, hopefully with numbers on my side it won't be too bad.

The Burma Army HQ is finally making their way to the theater...leaving Bangkok for Chiang Mai. This unit normally spawns at Rangoon.

Watching and waiting. Building, somewhat, and digging in.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 7:15:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I want to use my Emily in a non traditional bombing role and distant torpedo strike role. I also like using the Betty in a bombing role, more so than the Helen, because it drops more little bombs which equal into more hits (that do less damage). Plus I like to keep them back for potential massed torpedo strikes...in keeping with my guerilla air force doctrine. If I used them for naval search they would constantly be fatigued instead of well rested -- ready for hit and run attacks.

Anyhow, using them this way deprives me of naval search. I do use a lot of Jakes in this role, but want something with longer legs.

Therefore, I am using a lot of recon planes for naval search, which in turn deprives me of meaningful recon planes for ground duty.

To fill this gap I have been using Sonia in a short range recon role, especially in China, but I also used them effectively in the waning days of the Java campaign when the Allies couldn't maintain air superiority.

They have worked well beyond my wildest dreams. This little group gets me a 9/13 detection level on Kweiyang (there are other recon planes in the area too). Plus you can see I don't really set search arcs...I probably should for this little group, but they have done a great job without them, so why bother?




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 11:46:11 PM   
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Things are heating up all over...

Allies finally get around to bombing Bangkok, my not so secret fighter base, at night. Since I had 300 fighters here, I had upped my Dinah KAI CAP percentage from 10 to 20. Mistake, I actually lose 4 Dinahs as they actually intercept, but I did have 22 to 28 minutes warning until intercept so perhaps it was the radar presence. Still, the bombings are foiled by Dinah (whose mere presence forced many bombers to retreat prior to starting their runs) and bad weather.

A few other bases are bombed here and at Kusaie near the Marshalls. No damage to speak of.

My fighter sweep of Cox is grounded for weather.

I get a solid 3-1 at Changsha but still suffer three times the Chinese disabled, but I do drop the forts a level.






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 11:48:41 PM   
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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/27/2014 11:53:40 PM   
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Supplies are still finding their way to Changsha...




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/28/2014 12:22:24 AM   
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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/28/2014 1:51:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am thoroughly disappointed that my secret naval base at Kavieng is showing a DL of 1/7. Loose lips sink ships...poor signals I bet. No task forces spotted there, but still, it was my staging base. I might have to sortie everyone back to the Marianas, which probably isn't a bad spot for them either to tell the truth.

All the small carriers have entered their upgrades at the HI...now to decide on the KB. The KB refueled from some xaks I kept around for the purpose...my AO are moving fuel now.

I think tomorrow will see a massed Emily strike on Brisbane...those Aussies have been living large lately, I need to remind them they at war!

Debating what to do in Burma...need to be careful I don't have all my torpedo bombers fly into a nest of Allied fighters. I wish I could set the bombers to only hits hexes 12-17 away to avoid that problem or on a arc like searches. Oh well, it is what it is.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/28/2014 2:39:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		DL on Magwe was only 1; therefore I flew another Sentai of fighters in and I am now sweeping Chittagong, Cox, and Akyab, in addition I flew a sentai of Betties and Oscars in next door for a low level torpedo strike (I hope they only get chewed up by AA). The thought here is the sweeps go first (which almost never happens for me) and the Betties won't get as chewed up when they attack AM at Akyab thru a 100 fighter CAP instead of attack the BB/CA force. Lots of subs hunting his ships in the Bay of Bengal...of course the weather never cooperates either...

How do I counter the infamous DOT base grab by the Allies? I am hitting Taongi with bombers pretty low, but in the past the troops were gone...we will see if he sticks around. I have Paratroops in the Kuriles and DEI and Indochina to partly counter this strategy, but none in the Marshalls.

Port strike on Brisbane from Rossel Island with Emilies. I wish they could do city attacks.

Main fleet is at Kavieng, doing fleet exercises.

In Indochina I sent the Tone off on a long range raid (with a new Captain - the previous Cptn was a total loser); I have a very powerful surface fleet and a destroyer sqdrn (led by the Agano) going into position at Tavoy, mining Rangoon, and waiting. Allies now have 100 transports at Prome -- which I don't like because there are Chindits there. Not every base within range is paratroop proof.

I am pulling the Army bomber Chutai (smallish sqdrns) out of China and going to use them in a Naval Search/ASW role.

I have so much to do and so little time to do it in.

Monsoon is very close -- will it shut down the Allies in Burma?

Reserve divisions at Singers, Truk, Rabaul, Moulmein for emergencies...

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