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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/12/2014 11:29:13 AM

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In other new around the Empire:

A damaged RO sub being escorted back to Truk by another sub, unfortunately had to spend too much of the time running on the surface and was fatally torpedoed by an American sub. It was fifty-fifty that the damaged RO sub would make it back without sinking.

Allies bomb Kusaie.

The Artillery is at Rangoon...except for two units which arrive tomorrow. They will rest today.

The Magwe Push troops are 3 miles from leaving the jungle ridge west of Magwe. These were the troops most likely to cut off, and now it seems they will make it safely back to Magwe and from there to reserve positions.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/12/2014 11:44:37 AM

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Got another double Ace!

The elite 1st Sentai has 5 Generals actively flying in the squadron commanded by a Major. Go figure!

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/12/2014 12:38:58 PM

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One observation of the Allied playstyle is that he doesn't appear to concentrate his airpower much. Allies have the airpower to absolutely dominate by this time of the war

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Out goes another month and Magwe oil is still pumping. Amazing.

No night bombing.

During the day, the Allies try Raheng, westernmost of the triangle airfields that protect Tavoy and they run into Japanese fighters.

Corsairs sweep in first...followed by bombers, heavily escorted, and then by a final Lightning sweep. Although a fair number of Tojo IIcs go down fighting I call today a win for Japanese Air Forces. Especially if you count the number of damaged bombers limping their way home...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/12/2014 12:40:27 PM

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Can you update the status of the Empire CV CVL CVE and BB's?

And perhaps an update on your booty haul to the homeland?

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/12/2014 1:11:58 PM

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One observation of the Allied playstyle is that he doesn't appear to concentrate his airpower much. Allies have the airpower to absolutely dominate by this time of the war

Well, the only base he attacked was Raheng...he is flying from multiple bases and his sweeps (close to 80 planes) got split in half...he also seems to go after missions for the sake of going after them and gets distracted.

Anyhow, I am struggling with my current turn. Do I defend Raheng triangle again or call it a day. If I could count on only sweeps and or bombing raids during the day I would, but I think the Allies will respond with massive night bombing. This is his motus operandi when faced with stiffer than expected air defense.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/12/2014 2:31:40 PM

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Can you update the status of the Empire CV CVL CVE and BB's?

And perhaps an update on your booty haul to the homeland?

I have lost 2 CV to 4 American. 2 CVL to 1 CVE and CVL for Allies.

I have lost 3 BB to 10 Allied and I believe he still has 3 BB in drydock.

5 Million resources in the HI, oil and fuel low as it is pooling now in China and Manchuko and Luzon. 3.3 mil oil and 2.8 fuel. Pushing 5 million supplies.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/12/2014 2:35:47 PM

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After giving it some thought, I moved my fighters out of the Raheng triangle...just didn't want to put up with the expected night bombing.

Trying a new tactic on submarine warfare...ASW, that is.

Another 1/3 of a division is leaving Solomons.

I have moved several air base ENG units into Indochina and I am building up the rear area air bases.

I increased some transport and recon plane building: Dinah III and Helen KAI respectively. Not much.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/12/2014 8:07:18 PM

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June 1st, 1943

Night bombing by Allies of Raheng triangle. Followed up by sweeps and bombing of Raheng destroying some fighters on the ground which were damaged the day previously. No fighter opposition by the Japan, but flak downs a few planes.

A couple of very good attacks in China...

A Iboat gets lucky. And another American sub slips below the waves...permanently! I hope.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/12/2014 8:11:14 PM

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Burma,

It looks like the Allies are finally going to move their vehicles in the open to threatened Magwe...but look at that! The Magwe Push troops are out of the jungle and heading east across the river at a bridge...I bet he bombs them tomorrow!

22 different artillery units will bombard Rangoon...hoping for decent attritional results.

Looks like I will start phase 2 withdraw from Burma...the north Burma troops will plan to fall back to the jungle line and get out of the open ground.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/13/2014 1:20:43 AM

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When you say fuel and oil are low, how low are we talking about? The pressure on empire shipping is going to increase geometrically by fall. Can you be more specific, because IMHO, now is not a good time to have low reserves in HI?

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/13/2014 1:38:33 AM

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I have lost 2 CV to 4 American. 2 CVL to 1 CVE and CVL for Allies.

I have lost 3 BB to 10 Allied and I believe he still has 3 BB in drydock.

5 Million resources in the HI, oil and fuel low as it is pooling now in China and Manchuko and Luzon. 3.3 mil oil and 2.8 fuel. Pushing 5 million supplies.

ouch ...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/13/2014 10:34:05 AM

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June 2, 1943

More leaves are falling from the Empire....Ocean Island falls to an attack by a Marine Raiders and Paratroops...

No night bombing...

Allies making a rush north into the plains west of Magwe...bomb the Magwe push troops and the Japanese fighters intercept.

Artillery bombards at Rangoon with decent results. Another good attack in China...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/13/2014 11:41:47 AM

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When you say fuel and oil are low, how low are we talking about? The pressure on empire shipping is going to increase geometrically by fall. Can you be more specific, because IMHO, now is not a good time to have low reserves in HI?

980K Oil, 810 Fuel. I think this is low; however, I have lots winding their way thru Indochina/China/Manchuko/ Korea....I am up to 400K oil at Port Arthur and it is growing despite shipping having 60K oil transporting from Fusan to Shimoneski. Fusan doesn't get over 30K oil, but doesn't fall below 22K either.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/13/2014 12:55:26 PM

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I fear this is a material issue. How hot are you running your economy? Where have you expanded?

How many TK's lost?

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/13/2014 9:33:33 PM

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I fear this is a material issue. How hot are you running your economy? Where have you expanded?

How many TK's lost?

I expanded vehicles. What would good stockpiles be at this point?

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/13/2014 9:39:15 PM

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I sent 100 more fighters to Magwe, and made sure they have night CAP in Dinahs..I expect them to be bombed heavily during the night.

I have Task Force Nagato near Ocean Island undetected, they are protecting the removal of troops in the Solomons, and I decided not to send them in to Ocean during the night. To pull off a good night time engagement I would need a whole lot more since he swarms the area in small task forces. Ocean isn't worth fighting over...However, he did spot a small CA force west of Nauru and they are moving west and south to join up with TF Nagato and I wouldn't put it past the Americans to race something in looking for a fight.

China is sending 9 more units to reinforce Kwieyang from the Capitol.

Northern, far northern, bases in Burma are evacuating.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/14/2014 12:18:51 AM

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980K Oil, 810 Fuel. I think this is low; however, I have lots winding their way thru Indochina/China/Manchuko/ Korea....I am up to 400K oil at Port Arthur and it is growing despite shipping having 60K oil transporting from Fusan to Shimoneski. Fusan doesn't get over 30K oil, but doesn't fall below 22K either.

Nice, you've got it working ....

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/14/2014 10:36:40 AM

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Night bombing of Magwe...the Dinah KAI don't fly and I loses a few planes on the ground. During the day large sweeps and bombing of the troops west of Magwe and I trade 37 Japanese planes for 30 Allied including killing several more F4Us. The Lightning sweep came last again, the Corsair sweep first and in between many waves of bombers escorted by Airacobras, Hurricanes, and P40K.

Bombardment at Rangoon goes less well, the vulnerable tractors for the artillery suffer losses. Other than that they inflict losses on the British defenders.

Another leaf falls from the Empire as Nauru is assaulted and conquered. Large bombing raids, followed by a BB bombardment, and then invasion. A small carrier force provided local air protection and swarms of small ships, 2 ship task forces, and screen the invasion fleet. The defenders get a few licks in, but nothing substantial.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/15/2014 1:23:40 AM

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Burma:

Temporary defensive lines are made...these will the next fall back position to get out of the open terrain.

Will try to make an effort to keep Burma road closed, but with an eye on not letting the troops get cut off...difficult, but should be doable depending upon what the Allies do.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/15/2014 11:06:11 AM

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Night bombing of Magwe again. No damage.

Heavy air battles west of Magwe...Allied sweeps the Corsairs and Lighnings both come in first and I lose 40 Fighters to 23 Allied planes but do drop 7 Corsairs. I guess I should be happy losing 2-1, right? Sure beats 10-1.

Over near Nauru, the Americans are aggressive with their carriers. There actually is a flaw in their naval search, he doesn't have it to the south of Nauru and Ocean.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/15/2014 3:36:17 PM

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I have trained a squadron of Jakes up on naval bombing, fly them to Ocean Island which has no runway, and will attempt to deliver a surprise to a small 2 ship task force. I don't think these are Fletchers, but you never know. Lots of search up...

Moved almost 400 fighters into the Raheng triangle of bases where the Allies spotted some fighters yesterday. Hopefully, he will try a repeat of Chiang Myi and I can get a little more favorable results thru quantity.

Jakes for me were the everything plane in the game against Jocke. I've not used them quite as much yet in my second game, but I haven't had as much opportunity yet either.

They are an ASW plane, a search plane on land and sea, night and day, and they performed recon by attacking naval units at distance even if they weren't successful.

As I had bases behind lines eventually, their LR transfer ability and decent payload allowed them to be used really well, as Jocke mentioned, against transports and tankers. They're not too successful hitting combat ships, but can let you know what's there.

The Norm is good too, and I had hopes for the Seiran, but it wasn't as successful in spite of having a much better payload of a torp or two x 250kg bombs.

Finally, all work well as kamis against transports.

I visited the Udvar-Hazy annex of the air and space museum on Monday. The Seiran is a really sleek plane. Wish it was worth something here.

The F4U-1D is way bigger than I thought it would be, too. Intellectually, I knew it was bigger than a Hellcat (also on display), but seeing it in person was something else. Also always thought that the P-38 was an enormous plane, and it's big (for a fighter), but it's displayed entirely underneath just a section of the port wing of the Enola Gay. Was a cool visit, but I didn't get too many pictures. I think I did grab pictures of all the IJNAF/IJAAF planes that were there, though.

They have a Kikka in the restoration hangar, as well as a Sikhorsky float plane that searched for KB on December 7. And a B-26 named "Flak Bait"

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Also, I know you're building the Shusei, right? Or will be. Found out on that visit that Germany built a 10-minute rocket plane that looked pretty much identical, turns out the Shusei is a licensed copy of the Me-163 Komet.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/15/2014 4:48:43 PM

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Also, I know you're building the Shusei, right? Or will be. Found out on that visit that Germany built a 10-minute rocket plane that looked pretty much identical, turns out the Shusei is a licensed copy of the Me-163 Komet.

Sshhh! Plans were brought in by long range Iboat.

Looking at other Scenario 1 AARs, I doubt I make it that long to use which is one reason I put so much r&d into it. Obvert lasted, but he destroyed all the Allied carriers something I haven't done.

Museums are real nice. Here is this months picture from my wall calendar from USAF National Air Museum. Its not like I don't see this lousy plane bombing every day, it has to be on the wall in my office too!

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/15/2014 9:00:56 PM

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I have trained a squadron of Jakes up on naval bombing, fly them to Ocean Island which has no runway, and will attempt to deliver a surprise to a small 2 ship task force. I don't think these are Fletchers, but you never know. Lots of search up...

Moved almost 400 fighters into the Raheng triangle of bases where the Allies spotted some fighters yesterday. Hopefully, he will try a repeat of Chiang Myi and I can get a little more favorable results thru quantity.

Jakes for me were the everything plane in the game against Jocke. I've not used them quite as much yet in my second game, but I haven't had as much opportunity yet either.

They are an ASW plane, a search plane on land and sea, night and day, and they performed recon by attacking naval units at distance even if they weren't successful.

As I had bases behind lines eventually, their LR transfer ability and decent payload allowed them to be used really well, as Jocke mentioned, against transports and tankers. They're not too successful hitting combat ships, but can let you know what's there.

The Norm is good too, and I had hopes for the Seiran, but it wasn't as successful in spite of having a much better payload of a torp or two x 250kg bombs.

Finally, all work well as kamis against transports.

I visited the Udvar-Hazy annex of the air and space museum on Monday. The Seiran is a really sleek plane. Wish it was worth something here.

The F4U-1D is way bigger than I thought it would be, too. Intellectually, I knew it was bigger than a Hellcat (also on display), but seeing it in person was something else. Also always thought that the P-38 was an enormous plane, and it's big (for a fighter), but it's displayed entirely underneath just a section of the port wing of the Enola Gay. Was a cool visit, but I didn't get too many pictures. I think I did grab pictures of all the IJNAF/IJAAF planes that were there, though.

They have a Kikka in the restoration hangar, as well as a Sikhorsky float plane that searched for KB on December 7. And a B-26 named "Flak Bait" .

Also, I know you're building the Shusei, right? Or will be. Found out on that visit that Germany built a 10-minute rocket plane that looked pretty much identical, turns out the Shusei is a licensed copy of the Me-163 Komet.

Jealous!!

Here at Hendon they had the Ki-100-I out for a while when i first moved here! I have a pic somewhere I'll try to find. Awesome to see that plane!

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/15/2014 9:20:56 PM

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Turn is away....I am curious to see what the Americans do with their carrier forces north of Nauru...

Burma...I set 50 Betties on torpedo naval strike low with 20 A6M2 on drop tanks with escorts, I am hoping to hit some shipping while his planes are busy near Magwe....

Near Magwee...the Magwe push is in danger as his units race north along the river and are now looking to cross the river into a dug in infantry division, tank regiment, AA and artiller. If these guys can't hold then uh oh. I foolishly didn't put the Magwe push on Reserve mode for movement and the bombing has slowed them down considerably.

I am moving a unit to cut off his armored spear head, so if my troops can hold then his spearhead will be encircled. I am bombing the armored spearhead, but my experience with Allied armor is that it is pretty immune to bombing.

Subs have disappeared from Singers area and I am shipping out massive amounts of fuel, resources, and oil to Hong Kong. I have drained Singers of fuel, now to do the same with oil. 100K oil leaves today...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/16/2014 11:54:42 AM

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June 5th, 1943

Night bombing of Magwe, no damage.

Helens bomb Allied troops west of Magwe, no damage.

Betties raid shipping at Akyab, and the armored Betty gets thru very well but gets a dud. Then, however, a squadron of unarmored Betties fly in with no escort and get butchered.

However, causing the Allies to break up their fighter coverage, allows Japanese fighters to eat there way thru the Allied bombers attacking ground units and we down 7 B24D1 and other planes.

In the Marshalls area, the Americans push 3 destroyers near to Ponape, but retreat with their CVs to Nauru. The CV are now within striking distance of hitting the Solomons, were I have several ships evacuating troops or dropping supplies. Only 120 fighters there...I am just guessing but I bet the Americans can put together 400 plus planes. And they are better planes, too.

Another Chinese Corp surrenders...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/16/2014 9:12:21 PM

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Turns done, a pretty important day coming up in Burma...as he is launching tanks across the River against my weaker tanks, and infantry division. At least they are dug in and are ready for combat with no damage. Still, Allied tanks are fearsome and I expect the worst.

If his troops don't make it, significant reinforcements arrive on the following day.

I need to remember to use reserve when moving troops susceptible to bombing.

Doubles the movement. I wonder if this is an exploit?

I am staging a 200 plane night bombing raid against his ships. I expect absolutely nothing out of it. In my Downfall game, MM has sent hundreds of night bombing missions with maybe one hit...I have been remiss in doing my Downfall turn as real world and this game has taken a bite out of free time.

In the Marshalls we are set for naval strikes, took precautions versus the American Carriers making a dash towards the Solomons. I have 500-700 AV on Kusaie, Ponape and Truk islands.

KB dark. Moving a ton on oil and fuel to China. Fusan shipped 80K surplus oil in the last thirty days with very few tankers. Adding more capacity to the HI; Port Arthur holding steady at over 300K, down from a 400K spike. Most tanker convoys are now very big with AV, CL, and 50 to 90K+ oil/fuel being shipped.

The Allied butt kicking has started, and won't stop, and all I want to do is conserve my navy...use it on the perimeter and avoid head to head slugfests. Simply put, I don't think I can stop the Allies if they mass their ships and strike at one point: Kuriles; Lower SRA; Upper SRA. Marshalls I don't really care about anymore and I am flying troops out. I guess I am at my strongest near Tavoy, but I bet that is safe for another month or more with his carriers at Nauru.

The only way that I can see to keep the SRA oil flowing until June of 44 is thru Allied negligence...scenario 1 really stinks.

Especially when you don't take Java until the end of 42.

I still have Darwin...I have had no troops there for at least a month. Big 740 VP swing, I wonder what the Allies could have let run out of supplies?

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/17/2014 10:38:48 AM

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Night bombing of Magwe. I set a Zero squadron on night duty and they simply climb and close too quickly with the enemy bombers and I lose several.

Japanese night bombing none.

During the day, the Allies sweep the troops of the Magwe push but only one lone Nick shows up! Uh-oh, those troops in the open are going to get pounded! The Nick dies to Lightnings, but then, faith in my local commanders returns as the Allies change targets and sweep and bomb Magwe where the local commanders have gathered every plane that can fly!

The Japanese fighters outnumber the sweepers by 3-1, but still losses are heavy, but they do manage to close with bombers although those 4Es are tough to bring down and do significant damage to the planes on the ground.

What does this change of targets mean? I was totally expecting a forced river crossing with tanks into the open plains south of Magwe, the Magwe push having to make their own river crossing after having been pounded in the air for a week, and had overstocked Magwe with groups, and other near bye bases hoping to blunt the Allied air attacks on my ground troops.

90 Japanese planes lost, 60 Allied but I am ecstatic.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/17/2014 11:01:56 AM

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I have no clue why the Allies called off their forced river crossing and instead is heading north along the road.

One reason perhaps, is last turn I re-directed the 20th Independent Mountain Gun artillery unit to head southwest down the road, with the hopes of threatening the armored unit with encirclement. The Mountain Guns are fairly worthless, I think, but they look impressive on the map. This day they have reversed course and are trying to ford the river to Magwe...good luck with that guys.

The Magwe push, with high disruption from constant daily bombing, is just now 6 miles from crossing the river...and from there into the jungle.

The 20th Independent Mountain Gun will take it on the chin as it is only 10 miles into their crossing...but a small price to pay to save 2 divisions plus other assets.

Sloppy play on my part to have had it gotten this close...

I will endeavor to be more conscientious in the future.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/17/2014 11:35:29 AM

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Over here at Nauru things have quieted down...

American bombers quiet since Nauru was taken...does this augur a relocation to Oz or simply resting for the next Island to take which has to be really either Kwaj or Roi.

Ailinglaplap will soon be an Allied major air base. Yuck.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 10/17/2014 3:29:29 PM

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Sad day, Northern Burma full evacuation begun! Exit, stage right!

There goes 286 oil from Magwe. Looks like I will have +74 oil a day. I have 3.375 million oil...10% of that is on ships moving to either China or HI. I guess a small amount is headed to Luzon, too.

Now I need to go to stage two, which is denial of the Burma road. I need another month or two to progress in China.

Plus I need to worry about a southern invasion at Tavoy or further south.

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