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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/22/2014 3:02:50 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/22/2014 3:20:24 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/22/2014 3:25:12 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/22/2014 6:58:09 PM   
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Thank you for the tip. I am notifying USAAFE as we speak.

Ah - that explains the name: USAAFE, me safe, we all safe!

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/22/2014 7:39:30 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 12:01:33 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 12:15:10 PM   
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<the ship is down 5 degrees by the "stern" after the Dec 7 attacks>

Ensign Pulver: Sir, how do you make our chances?

Cmdr. Jensen: Chances? Our best speed 5 kts? Jap carriers in the Sulu Sea, surface forces, subs, bombers from Formosa..and it's a long way to Darwin. I'm afraid they aren't very good, son.

Ensign Pulver: That's what I figured, sir. The boys at Subic got up a big wager on whether we would make it or not. I put in everything I had.

Cmdr. Jensen: Son, do you mean to tell me you bet your life savings on us making Darwin?

Ensign Pulver: Oh, heck no sir. I may be a little wet behind the ears but mama did not raise a stupid son.



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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 12:24:56 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 12:26:11 PM   
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What if you are worse at dancing than you are at golf?


Look on the bright side- you're unlikely to lose any of your balls while dancing.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 12:58:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is a shame that the game with Dec 7 rules has commands that were notified of possible upcoming attack (Philippines) are hampered by having their CAP on day one gutted. Did you lose all of your pacific subs and the only type of USN subs that are worth a darn for the next year+ (the S type)?

I wonder if you can do a reverse Pearl Harbor and send your PH old BBs, with refueling points on a trajectory taking them to Tokyo Bay/Nasby industrial city to do some Industrial Bombardment. Or does mainland Japan have buku air search and betty bombers stationed there?

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 12:58:49 PM   
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What if you are worse at dancing than you are at golf?


Look on the bright side- you're unlikely to lose any of your balls while dancing.


You might on Bugis Street. Professionally, I mean.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 1:02:53 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		Air losses from the 8th. RAF bombers take it in the shorts going after the carriers off Malaysia.
That is probably the point of putting them there but it won't be so much fun for Japan if Hiryu "takes one up the chuff".
P-40's and display model P-26's get slaughter in the PI trying t protect the ships.







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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 1:09:12 PM   
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It is a shame that the game with Dec 7 rules has commands that were notified of possible upcoming attack (Philippines) are hampered by having their CAP on day one gutted. Did you lose all of your pacific subs and the only type of USN subs that are worth a darn for the next year+ (the S type)?

I wonder if you can do a reverse Pearl Harbor and send your PH old BBs, with refueling points on a trajectory taking them to Tokyo Bay/Nasby industrial city to do some Industrial Bombardment. Or does mainland Japan have buku air search and betty bombers stationed there?


We lost only one S-boat so far, but quite a few boats are damaged as well. The thing is, if there were no Pearl Harbor attack, it is plausible that the KB could show up in the South China Sea at 7 AM and pound Manila without warning. I think that is what FDR was basically expecting, an attack on the PI.





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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 1:13:51 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 1:15:19 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 1:17:00 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 1:21:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		The main problem with using the prewar USN BB's on a port-busting raid is their speed. How would they get away at 21-22 kts if the KB were anywhere around?

They are very useful when it comes time to do amphibious landings. The can bombard just as well as a New Jersey
and they can be placed in amphibious convoys to absorb and suppress shore fire

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 1:46:06 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 1:53:23 PM   
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You know if you disband those b17's most of the squadrons immediately show up on the west coast unrestricted......


There is one left. I will dry-lab it.

Nope, it doesn't work with the B-17D HQ thingy on Luzon. Some of the 17's might show up as replacements later. The pilots are nothing to write home about anyway.


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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 3:06:34 PM   
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You know if you disband those b17's most of the squadrons immediately show up on the west coast unrestricted......


There is one left. I will dry-lab it.

Nope, it doesn't work with the B-17D HQ thingy on Luzon. Some of the 17's might show up as replacements later. The pilots are nothing to write home about anyway.


You cannot disband the main element squadron until all the parts of it are together. You can disband some of the fragments elsewhere but unless it is a large base or has an HQ nearby the planes are usually destroyed rather than sent to the pool.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 8:36:27 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 9:27:38 PM   
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What if you are worse at dancing than you are at golf?


You pray that when it is over with you still have all your balls...

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 10:26:24 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 10:32:42 PM   
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DANG IT! I still don't see the headlights.......


That's because you're in the wrong war, amigo.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/23/2014 10:38:04 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/25/2014 3:21:15 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/25/2014 3:22:00 PM   
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I think the HQ is the only one that doesn't immediately reform. For giggles, try it on a new head to head scenario. It worked for us in the 2x2 we are playing against you.


That is soooooo gamey.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/25/2014 3:26:21 PM   
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Get this 4th Marine Regt only arrived in Luzon in Novmember '41. You may be surprised where they were before.

China. Was it Shanghai?

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/25/2014 3:31:31 PM   
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Get this 4th Marine Regt only arrived in Luzon in Novmember '41. You may be surprised where they were before.

China. Was it Shanghai?


Shanghai it was. Must have been some kind of political statement. Crazy idea to put a whole regiment of Marines right in the middle of many tens of thousands of likely potential adversaries where they could have useful military role.

Of course, Luzon did not prove much better.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 12/25/2014 3:40:50 PM   
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Get this 4th Marine Regt only arrived in Luzon in Novmember '41. You may be surprised where they were before.

China. Was it Shanghai?


Shanghai it was. Must have been some kind of political statement. Crazy idea to put a whole regiment of Marines right in the middle of many tens of thousands of likely potential adversaries where they could have useful military role.

Of course, Luzon did not prove much better.


Somewhere on this forum a few years ago I read that they were not really that unit, but were put together from various smaller units that had been providing security (think like embassy security, only I don't that was what they said). Sort of like a 'presence' or 'show of force' probably aimed mostly at local thugs (even ones in authority) and obviously not an Imperial invasion. IIRC maybe a small number were in the Philippines and added in when the others were pulled out of China as war drew more obviously near.

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