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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/3/2015 3:09:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Horn Island - You may have cut off part of the Combat Report, but did your CLs have night time recon set for the base?? Usually that shows up near the top of that part of CR.

Normanton to Mornington Island to Groote Eylandt - I moved some APDs (4 to 6) by Horn to Normanton and then used supplies to purchase barges to move forward. Even the short endurance ones can move fuel to Mornington to allow further advances. It may just be a side show, but it allows you to progress.

They had spotters, but it was a great bombardment for two CLs regardless.

You amy have missed the post where I outlined the current plans. After PM the goals are moving along both sides of the New Guinea coastline and also from Mornington out to the three base on the West side. I've been shuttling a billion landing craft of all types from Normanton for several months getting Mornington Island ready and pushing small troops there which will head over once I know what is happening with some DDs and the KB on the other side near approaches to Darwin.

My fast transports have more small units that will indeed scoot by Horn and land more little units in that area if possible. He has 30k= at both Horn and Merauke, so this looks like one of his lines in the sand, which I hope to brush aside by going around it. As opposed to other moves with small craft and little units, I think he'll treat this one with the utmost seriousness, so I have to be ready to use the response to my advantage. Just getting that part ready.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/3/2015 3:18:26 PM

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Air Losses

I know airframes are not the choke point for the Japanese, but it still can't be good for them to lose these kinds of numbers on a regular basis.

You have to look at the long view. To replace an air frame cost supply. Something that is not infinite for Japan. GJ has spent a lot of resources fighting in China and India. It is hard to say how this will affect him come 1/45 but I know in my completed campaign, my opponent gave up in 8/45 because he had nothing left. I don't think enough Allied players play the game with the long term in view. Japanese players too for that matter.

Having seen the effects first hand this is exactly my take on things. Everything is connected for the Japanese.

The more I play the Allies the more I also understand why fighting through the Solomons and onto New Guinea is actually a really good option. It's slow and steady, provides lots of LBA cover and uses the strengths of the Allied PTs and landing craft, which are virtually unlimited. At the same time it keeps the Japanese stretched out and invites them to use expensive stuff far from home.

Cent Pac is also good as it takes even more fuel for Japan to keep fighting out there, and once a base is isolated and invested it's tough and risky for them to do anything else to save it.

The sexy DEI invasions and early Kuriles or Marianas are just not smart in terms of making Japan use a bunch of resources defending forward early and also in terms of VPs. I actually want him to dig more now. To have to keep sending tons of supply forward. Sure, one of those moves might end the game early if everything goes to plan, but they can also postpone it a good deal if it doesn't.

There is a critical turning point though where more troops and 3rd gen fighters and strike planes start pouring in and the Allies have to really ramp up the schedule. I'm planning to really get moving by autumn 43.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/3/2015 3:19:30 PM

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I have twice those losses, Japan can easily absorb those. The problem might be with pilot losses.
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The game is so detailed that unless you remove them, some pilots will die even while their planes are hit on the ground.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/3/2015 3:42:52 PM

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I have twice those losses, Japan can easily absorb those. The problem might be with pilot losses.
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The game is so detailed that unless you remove them, some pilots will die even while their planes are hit on the ground.

And that might be a problem. In other actions the Japanese have lost lots of planes sweeping, where pilot losses are really high. And then there are those bomber traps you have set also.

Japan should start getting large slugs of pilots in 44, but until then navy pilots might be hurting. On the other hand, he has limited squadrons with decent planes to staff so it may not be much of a problem especially since the carriers have been quiet.

PDU off is really interesting.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/3/2015 6:16:42 PM

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May 20 -21, 1943

SUBS: The S-41 gets smacked by DDs that are part of the KB, sitting in a fast BB TF near Merauke. We repay th favor near PM hitting RO-61 with 3 directs, and it seems a goner. Snapper finally breaks the dud string and nails a small tanker off the Chinese coastline.

INDIA: At Dimapur there are 3 divisions, plus another at Jorhat. Both of those bases get some more air strikes and Silchar falls as the IJA pulls out there just in time. Damn. Wanted one more crack at it. Silchar and Tezpur will be hastily fixed up and will become our forward fighter bases to support the move on Ledo. Tanks are now 7-8 days out there. Two US Sherman units are aiming over the river and will keep going until a Japanese unit moves to the hex just between Jorhat and Ledo.

CENT PAC: The Marines are nearly back to 100%. About a week more and I'll try again.

SW PAC: After the S-41 finds that the big TF nearby is only a SAG I turned the PM invasion around and went right in. The 41st Division and other units all landed easily. No air strikes and no surface interdiction. Only the tanks to finish on the 22nd. He has 6k troops here, and one is the 83rd Naval Guard. This shouldn't take long.

All assault shipping will high tail it out as will the CVEs. Some will circle around to Tulagi to pick up troops for Buin.

CHINA: The Japanese finally get the last fort at Paoshan and a 1:1. We may be too late to to do anything for Paoshan once Ledo is finally retaken, but this battle has taken a lot of resources for the Japanese and distracted them from the goal of Chungking. If I can get Ledo within two weeks and can avoid losing control of the airspace there, Chungking may hold. That's a bold prediction, I know, but with supply the Chinese can fight, and if they can fight and hold, they can grow.

A reserve of Hellcats will be waiting for the first sign of strikes at Chungking while the 125 P-40K hold the fort for now. Paoshan, a level 2 field, took three days of intense strikes to close. I would hope the level 5 Chungking with its numerous engineers and actually decent flak will take longer. Glad now that I built it that one level extra.

I could even fly in AT guns! This is thinking a step to far though. I have to get there first.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 20, 43
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ASW attack near Merauke at 87,124

Japanese Ships
DD Wakazuki
BB Hiei
BB Haruna
CA Furutaka
CL Yubari
CL Kiso
CS Nisshin
DD Kiyonami
DD Yugumo
DD Susuzuki
DD Teruzuki
DD Hayashio
DD Yukikaze
DD Hatsukaze
DD Oyashio

Allied Ships
SS S-41, hits 18, heavy damage

SS S-41 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Wakazuki
DD Hayashio fails to find sub and abandons search

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Sub attack near Port Moresby at 98,132

Japanese Ships
SS RO-61, hits 8, heavy damage

Allied Ships
AVD Childs
SC-641
SC-705
SC-647

SS RO-61 launches 2 torpedoes at AVD Childs
RO-61 diving deep ....

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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 14334 troops, 214 guns, 548 vehicles, Assault Value = 520

Defending force 18215 troops, 102 guns, 99 vehicles, Assault Value = 320

Japanese adjusted assault: 637

Allied adjusted defense: 391

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
344 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
537 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 109 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Assaulting units:
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
22nd Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
39th Indian Division
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
16th Indian Bde /1
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
33rd Base Group
62nd Chinese Corps
11th Group Army
32nd Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
Fourteenth USAAF
80th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
103rd RN Base Force /1
13th Chinese Base Force
104th RAF Base Force /2

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 21, 43
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Submarine attack near Foochow at 86,61

Japanese Ships
TK Ryuei Maru, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Snapper, hits 1

TK Ryuei Maru is sighted by SS Snapper
SS Snapper attacking on the surface

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Pre-Invasion action off Port Moresby (98,130)

67 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
APD Hatfield
APD Sands
APD Humphreys
APD Kilty
APD Crane
APD Kennison
APD Crosby
APD Dent
APD Talbot
APD Stringham
APD McKean
APD Little
APD Schley
APD Chew
APD Litchfield
APD Fox

Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

APD Hatfield fired at enemy troops

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Morning Air attack on Bhamo , at 63,44

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 7 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 25000 feet *

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Pre-Invasion action off Port Moresby (98,130)

64 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Idaho
BB Tennessee
DD Stuart
DD Clark
APA U.S. Grant
DD Worden
DD Voyager

Japanese ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

BB Idaho firing at 26th Air Defense AA Regiment
BB Tennessee firing at 83rd Naval Guard Unit

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Ground combat at 75,47 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20291 troops, 346 guns, 1693 vehicles, Assault Value = 984

Defending force 36029 troops, 146 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1081

Japanese adjusted assault: 762

Allied adjusted defense: 880

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
852 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 73 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1692 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 150 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Division
23rd Tank Regiment
1st Tank Division
9th Tank Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
12th Army
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
46th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
1st New Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 13846 troops, 214 guns, 548 vehicles, Assault Value = 471

Defending force 17580 troops, 101 guns, 99 vehicles, Assault Value = 240

Japanese adjusted assault: 121

Allied adjusted defense: 460

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
830 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Allied ground losses:
650 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

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A bunch of Mavis are caught at PM with a big and low LR CAP from Buna. Pulling out critical stuff I imagine. Nice to get that many Mavis!

Again we were able to pick off some bleeding LR CAP in Burma. This is the closest we can get to actual air superiority missions I guess, using LR CAP and then finding out ways to battle the LR CAP with an advantage.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/3/2015 9:04:17 PM

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I have twice those losses, Japan can easily absorb those. The problem might be with pilot losses.
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The game is so detailed that unless you remove them, some pilots will die even while their planes are hit on the ground.

And that might be a problem. In other actions the Japanese have lost lots of planes sweeping, where pilot losses are really high. And then there are those bomber traps you have set also.

Japan should start getting large slugs of pilots in 44, but until then navy pilots might be hurting. On the other hand, he has limited squadrons with decent planes to staff so it may not be much of a problem especially since the carriers have been quiet.

PDU off is really interesting.

I wouldn't say limited, exactly.

This is DBB Scen 30, the equivalent to Scen 2 in stock, so extra troops and more air groups, plus ships appearing ahead of schedule. The difficulty in the end has often been paying for all of the pilots you have to have with the extra groups. So HI has been a factor. He may have been thinking this when he went for India, and he did get nearly a year of extra HI at several bases.

So yes, while there are fewer groups he'd want to sweep with, he has to use more groups, more numbers to make up for fewer advanced airframes. He does have one of the two most ubiquitous fighters on the map, the A6M, to its ultimate variant, with the other, the Oscar, on its way to the final version almost two years early. At the end of every line he should have a very good fighter too, so late it could be a vey different air war.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/4/2015 6:08:51 AM

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May 22 -23, 1943

SUBS: Another miss on a big tanker.

INDIA: Swept another 10-12 Oscars away over Myitkyina.

The tanks are now one hex out and moving on Ledo. It should be 3-4 days until they cross over. It looks like he's pulled a bunch of units out and there is only one guard here now. Dimapur and Jorhat still show movement but only a few small units have moved out. Since we're maxed out in the Dimapur hex the Jorhat division cold have trouble getting there without being subject to one battle at least.

CENT PAC: Looks like there is nothing to prevent more bombardments, so I've ordered the BBs to move in this time. Should be ready to DA at Mili shortly after they hit.

SW PAC: Port Moresby falls! Although he only had a naval guard here and wasn't using the base for anything significant, this is still a big day. It opens the paths on both sides of New Guinea and frees up prep for several large units. They'll now start prepping for Merauke. I'll be passing on Horn Island with its 35k troops.

A small investment at Salamua will land by barge in the next days and I'll also send a regiment to Lae by fast transport and landing craft.

CHINA: The IJA gets a 1:1 with its two tank divisions south of Chungking, but we appear to be getting to the tanks, with almost 100 vehicles disabled or destroyed. Another unit is already on the way and will get into the hex in two days ready to go full of supply from a visit to Chungking.

Paoshan sees around 270-90 bombers daily now. There are still some broken Corsairs and Hllcats on the field, and the troops actually have supply as some have been killed allowing the penalty from overstacking to lessen.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 23, 43
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Morning Air attack on Myitkyina , at 64,42

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 6 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-43-IIa Oscar (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(30 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.

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Morning Air attack on Finschhafen , at 100,126

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 12

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 4 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
ACM Wa 4, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 75,47 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19998 troops, 376 guns, 1693 vehicles, Assault Value = 908

Defending force 34586 troops, 146 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 925

Japanese adjusted assault: 731

Allied adjusted defense: 646

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
270 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 47 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 99 (9 destroyed, 90 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1905 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 166 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Tank Division
9th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Division
18th Tank Regiment
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Army
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
46th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
1st New Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at Port Moresby (98,130)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15045 troops, 258 guns, 332 vehicles, Assault Value = 495

Defending force 5070 troops, 44 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 58

Allied adjusted assault: 690

Japanese adjusted defense: 39

Allied assault odds: 17 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied forces CAPTURE Port Moresby !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), disruption(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1221 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 69 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 27 (23 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (11 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4

Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
41st Infantry Division
763rd Tank Battalion
II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
13th Field Regiment
XIV US Corps
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Provisional GMC Grp

Defending units:
83rd Naval Guard Unit
26th Air Defense AA Regiment
35th JNAF AF Unit
37th JNAF AF Unit

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Once Ledo is captured we can move tanks back toward Jorhat, pretty much forcing the Japanese to actually pull out to the hills. Loks like they're already moving back from Imphal. I hope he leaves a bunch in the jungle building forts. I don't plan on moving into this area of Burma at all.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/4/2015 7:40:45 AM

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SW PAC - SO PAC

Confirmation of the KB in the area near Darwin! Although this could be the mini-KB and a small CVE TF too. Not enough planes listed fr the full meal deal.

As shown the amphibs and CVEs are fleeing to the SE and heading for Brisbane and Tulagi. I'll see how the stuff at Rabaul reacts to the APAs showing up at Tulagi before deciding how to proceed up toward Buin. I have troops prepped for everything up the islands and even all of the way to Kaveign and I'm now just waiting until I have sufficient distract or obvious inattention by Japanese forces to strike.

I can probably sneak into Buin with landing craft and LST/LCI, as I've been moving these all over the place in the area with no reaction, but for a division sized landing this would take a lot of small craft. I'd rather get in and out with APAs if possible.

Mornington Island is supplied to 6k and has good AS and some units ready and pepped for next steps to Groote Eylandt and farther. I'll use some landing craft to deliver them once the dust settles. I'd like to land some with fast transports also but they're currently occupied. A very incomplete brigade is heading to Terapo, but last I check it was unoccupied.

Salamua is about to be invested and Lae will get a regiment if I can sneak it in. The base looks to have a naval guard and some construction units. I have paras prepped for Nadzab and they will go slightly after the Lae landing if it's successful. No sense in getting Nadzab before I can get more stuff in there.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/4/2015 7:46:22 AM

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This is an interesting almost contact near China. Probably an AV and tankers.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/5/2015 5:49:18 PM

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May 24 - 25, 1943

SUBS: An ASW TF around PM nails the I-17 and it looks to be a goner.

INDIA: Nearly to Ledo.

Sent the heavies to hit Akyab to interdict his forward recon base here. No fighters present but 31 auxiliary aircraft found by recon. Destroyed a few Dinah on the ground and lost an equivalent number of 4E, but now the recon deep into India and Ceylon might not be as easy.

CENT PAC: A BB bombardment goes in to Mili but is just not as successful as the cruisers I've been using. Hmmmm.

A very fun and somewhat scary interaction unfolded 12 hexes East of Maleolap when an IJN picket PB ran into a small TF of one DE, two APA and one AO. The PB landed a shot on an APA before the DE stepped in, but APA Callaway actually landed one shot on the PB which was all it took to sink him. Should've had those boys on the CAs during the Doolittle raid and would've saved some ammo!

SW PAC: Lae and Salamua are about to be invested.

CHINA: The Japanese get a 1:2 south of Chungking but definitely win the battle in terms of troop losses. One more Chinese unit headed in.

Nick throws the heavies at Wenchow and they do start some fires and knock out some HI.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 24, 43
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Night Naval bombardment of Mili at 136,121

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi
BB New Mexico
BB Arizona
DD Frankford
DD McCook
DD Endicott
DD Hobby
DD Saufley
DD Beale

Japanese ground losses:
353 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
Port hits 6
Port supply hits 1

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Mississippi
BB Mississippi firing at Kure 5th SNLF

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ASW attack near Port Moresby at 97,133

Japanese Ships
SS I-17, hits 9, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SC-647
SC-705

SS I-17 is located by SC-647
I-17 diving deep ....

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Ground combat at 75,47 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19513 troops, 376 guns, 1685 vehicles, Assault Value = 837

Defending force 33129 troops, 145 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 748

Japanese adjusted assault: 445

Allied adjusted defense: 751

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
356 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Vehicles lost 51 (10 destroyed, 41 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1424 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 146 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 25, 43
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Night Naval bombardment of Wenchow at 89,58

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
DD Urukaze
DD Yakaze
DD Hatakaze
DD Matsukaze
E Yugao
E Karukaya
E Fuyo
E Sanae
E Wakatake

Allied ground losses:
251 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Heavy Industry hits 1
Manpower hits 5
Fires 2567
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 21
Port hits 10
Port supply hits 1

BB Mutsu firing at Wenchow
F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for BB Nagato

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Maloelap at 150,116, Range 13,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Takuna Maru #7, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DE Austin
APA Callaway
APA Cambria, Shell hits 1
AO Monongahela

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 14,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 13,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
PB Takuna Maru #7 engages APA Cambria at 11,000 yards
PB Takuna Maru #7 engages DE Austin at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
DE Austin engages PB Takuna Maru #7 at 12,000 yards
PB Takuna Maru #7 sunk by APA Callaway at 12,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

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Due t all the bases in India taken back the Japanese score has been relatively constant, if not going down, but the Allied side has picked up about 2k VPs in the past month!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 10:37:00 AM

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Absolutely criminal of him to leave Wenchow in your hands in 1943...

Seconded. He could have taken it with a IJA brigade, some collaborationist crap and some naval and air support. Granted, it wouldn't have been a swift capture and he'd likely trash the industry, but it's better for Japan to hold the base without any industry than it is to leave it in the hands of the Chinese with the industry intact...

Poor move, in my view, and you're right in making him pay for it.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 2:22:27 PM

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Absolutely criminal of him to leave Wenchow in your hands in 1943...

Seconded. He could have taken it with a IJA brigade, some collaborationist crap and some naval and air support. Granted, it wouldn't have been a swift capture and he'd likely trash the industry, but it's better for Japan to hold the base without any industry than it is to leave it in the hands of the Chinese with the industry intact...

Poor move, in my view, and you're right in making him pay for it.

I guess I should reveal what I have here. There is a Corps with 450AV and another with 300AV plus a big base force. So 800AV. Now if that had been starved out, yes, but the base has consistently had supply from it's own HI/LI.

To be fair I don't post what happens here every day. He's been bombing the base maybe 2/3 of the turns in the game, usually with a Sentai of Lilys dedicated to the job. A while back he moved in Sallys to give a bigger hit. He's also been bombarding daily for months in this recent stretch and intermittently before that. He probably thought for a long while that it was just out of supply and not a threat.

In retaliation I've flown in fighters whenever the fields were open. So if weather kept the bombers away for 2-3 days, or something else happened, he might find 15-20 P-40E sitting there unexpectedly, but mostly in the first 7-8 months of game. I've dropped over 300 mines in the port through the course of the game. I've also stationed subs on the approaches since the torps started working better.

If I were playing Japan I would take Wenchow early. I think it's something I don't want to worry about later. That's why in my game against Historiker I took SqzMyLemon's advice and sent a division there amphibiously and called the op SqzMyWenchow. I was criticized heavily at the time for doing that and taking an extra week or two to get that division to the DEI and to Palembang.

It'll be a big mistake to leave Wenchow until I can reinforce it with the Marines, but for now, it's just a minor irritation. It's not going to change the game and I think Nick's priorities are in the right place. He's going for stuff that matters and that will potentially alter his ability to defend the Chinese mainland, like Paoshan and Chungking. I sense that he's also thoroughly defending his outer perimeter instead of using any new troops on a rear area holdout. I think that's good preparation.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 2:30:41 PM

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I have twice those losses, Japan can easily absorb those. The problem might be with pilot losses.
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The game is so detailed that unless you remove them, some pilots will die even while their planes are hit on the ground.

And that might be a problem. In other actions the Japanese have lost lots of planes sweeping, where pilot losses are really high. And then there are those bomber traps you have set also.

Japan should start getting large slugs of pilots in 44, but until then navy pilots might be hurting. On the other hand, he has limited squadrons with decent planes to staff so it may not be much of a problem especially since the carriers have been quiet.

PDU off is really interesting.

After my campaign with Viberpol he let me look over his side of the game. I was surprised to find out that after four years of brutal war and killing three Japanese planes for every two I lost and perhaps 2-1 ratio in pilot kills, that he had tons and tons of high experienced pilots. No fuel, no supplies, but plenty of pilots.

I think the point here is that with the ability of Japanese player to vastly expand training, no Allied player should think that killing pilots is going to do much for them. I thought it was a raw deal, but in the end Japanese pilot quality was not such a big factor.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 3:41:13 PM

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After my campaign with Viberpol he let me look over his side of the game. I was surprised to find out that after four years of brutal war and killing three Japanese planes for every two I lost and perhaps 2-1 ratio in pilot kills, that he had tons and tons of high experienced pilots. No fuel, no supplies, but plenty of pilots.

I think the point here is that with the ability of Japanese player to vastly expand training, no Allied player should think that killing pilots is going to do much for them. I thought it was a raw deal, but in the end Japanese pilot quality was not such a big factor.

that's the interesting bit. Expanding the training program costs supplies, and players tend to be so traumatized by real war experience problem and the impact experience can have on individual fights that they overinvest in pilots... I sometimes think that japanese players willing to train less pilots and have the best airframes 3 months later than with uberoptimized research would find themselves in a similar strategic situation in mid/late 44 but with lots more supplies (and some fuel) so that they wouldn't abruptly fall off a cliff.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 4:03:22 PM

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I have twice those losses, Japan can easily absorb those. The problem might be with pilot losses.
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The game is so detailed that unless you remove them, some pilots will die even while their planes are hit on the ground.

And that might be a problem. In other actions the Japanese have lost lots of planes sweeping, where pilot losses are really high. And then there are those bomber traps you have set also.

Japan should start getting large slugs of pilots in 44, but until then navy pilots might be hurting. On the other hand, he has limited squadrons with decent planes to staff so it may not be much of a problem especially since the carriers have been quiet.

PDU off is really interesting.

After my campaign with Viberpol he let me look over his side of the game. I was surprised to find out that after four years of brutal war and killing three Japanese planes for every two I lost and perhaps 2-1 ratio in pilot kills, that he had tons and tons of high experienced pilots. No fuel, no supplies, but plenty of pilots.

I think the point here is that with the ability of Japanese player to vastly expand training, no Allied player should think that killing pilots is going to do much for them. I thought it was a raw deal, but in the end Japanese pilot quality was not such a big factor.

Jan 1944 is when the floodgates open up for IJN Naval pilots. Prior to that there can be a squeeze depending upon activity and losses of course, but after 44 that particular barn door is wide open.

Army always has generous pools of pilots.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 4:08:22 PM

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and have the best airframes 3 months later than with uberoptimized research would find themselves in a similar strategic situation in mid/late 44 but with lots more supplies (and some fuel) so that they wouldn't abruptly fall off a cliff.

I agree with that in a pdu on game. There is only a few air frames that really need researching.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 4:46:57 PM

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I have twice those losses, Japan can easily absorb those. The problem might be with pilot losses.
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The game is so detailed that unless you remove them, some pilots will die even while their planes are hit on the ground.

And that might be a problem. In other actions the Japanese have lost lots of planes sweeping, where pilot losses are really high. And then there are those bomber traps you have set also.

Japan should start getting large slugs of pilots in 44, but until then navy pilots might be hurting. On the other hand, he has limited squadrons with decent planes to staff so it may not be much of a problem especially since the carriers have been quiet.

PDU off is really interesting.

After my campaign with Viberpol he let me look over his side of the game. I was surprised to find out that after four years of brutal war and killing three Japanese planes for every two I lost and perhaps 2-1 ratio in pilot kills, that he had tons and tons of high experienced pilots. No fuel, no supplies, but plenty of pilots.

I think the point here is that with the ability of Japanese player to vastly expand training, no Allied player should think that killing pilots is going to do much for them. I thought it was a raw deal, but in the end Japanese pilot quality was not such a big factor.

From the Japanese side I feel it's a huge factor, and it's my perception playing that side against the Allied aces that has made wining the pilot war a huge priority.

It's not the kills I get but how and where I get them. If I'm constantly sweeping over his territory and letting my guys go KIA/MIA more often than WIA, then I'm definitely not going to get an advantage in aces. If I fight over my guys, sweep in situations where I have a clear advantage, and create situations that make him think he needs to be offensive with his air force, then I might end up with a distinct advantage. I see this happening already, but on top of that I have some confirmation of it too, unless he's blowing some smoke.

An email exchange over several turns in game:

Nick: Took me quite some time for this one... damned pilots training :-/

Me: It is getting to be a chore with the pilots!

Here�s the next.

Nick: Giving you too many easy kills!!! You must be swimming with ace pilots by now

Me: Maybe. But I noticed we are virtually even in A to A kills, with your side slightly ahead! ;)

Nick: YeAH but most of my aces are gone, long ago :-/

I think he's being honest here because as I noticed playing Japan it's really hard to keep aces when you need to use them a lot. The planes are just too fragile. You'll make more good pilots, but if the Allies don't serve up too many bombers on a plate, you may never get a guy over 15 kills. I think by '45 Jocke must have had some pilots with 40+ kills!

Another factor is that in a PDU-off game you have a lot more poor quality and very fragile, low durability fighters. His A6M5 pilots have no armor still. Soon it'll be different when the Frank arrives and the Jack and George have enough groups to be used more.

I've got P-40K units that have 5-7 golden boys each, and those are not my sweepers, just defensive planes! My Lightnings and Hellcats are getting several double aces each group plus a bunch of other aces. My Corsairs are getting even better.

All of this is in preparation for getting the P-47 and more and better Corsairs!

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Japan doesn't keep "aces" alive long, but can keep a very decently experienced Air Force, with solid overall experience and specialized skills.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 5:57:31 PM

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Japan doesn't keep "aces" alive long, but can keep a very decently experienced Air Force, with solid overall experience and specialized skills.

It's my aim to make that 'can' as difficult as possible.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 7:49:35 PM

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Another interesting contact, made by a sub, unfortunately it's last as ASW air and 250kg bomb sent it down in the shallows.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 8:07:07 PM

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May 26 - 27, 1943

CHINA: The defenders of Paoshan finally fail to fight off the Japanese assaults and the base falls with the loss of 16k+ troops. The Burma division, now the 39th Indian, is destroyed (but a fragment exists to be used later for garrisoning rear bases). I luckily a few turns later transferred any important leaders out of these units including Claire Chennault from the China Air Task Force.

So the Japanese have the mountains and they get one step closer to cutting off Chungking from the rest of China. As predicted it did take a while to break through in the x3, and hopefully the next hex, closer to Chungking making it easier to transfer troops in and out, will help. The troops retreated the wrong way and I'll have to overstock to move the shattered but experienced units back to Chungking to recover.

Something else happened though that might prove indispensable to the defense of the Chungking area.

INDIA: Ledo falls! The tank assault across the river captures the base easily and destroys the partial guard unit left there. Transports will immediately move in and AS and supply will be flown in until it starts to flow itself after Dimapur is captured. Firstly I'll be removing some free Chinese troops to India, then supply will begin being flown in to keep the airforce flying. It's now getting close to critical with only 13k left in the base. One of the large NZ AA units is several days away from Ledo and should keep it fairly secure with 60+ 3.7" AA guns and 50+ 40mm Bofors.

At Dimapur I'm bombarding every day to keep tabs on what is in the base and what is moving though. I don't want to attack here unless it is apparent the number are way down as units straggle to get out. It's unlikely we'll catch much, but the base will be pummeled from the air making it definitely untenable, especially during the monsoon.

CENT PAC: Mili falls! The defenders are easily overcome by our engineers as the Marines sit out the attack. I'm sure he's flown some of them out, which is fine. I'm not as interested in catching them all. I know how much it costs in HI and supply to rebuild them too, so that's fine. This will speed up our movements here unless significant IJN units appear to slow things down. I've got troops for Jaluit loading and a division for Maleolap moving down from PH.

SO PAC/SW PAC: Our regiment at Lae is attacked immediately in a DA by the naval guard defending that base. It does fine but the guard unit doesn't lose much in the 1:6 result. I'm not hurried here so I'll wait and slowly bombard, kill supply and eventually strike. Salamua is also Allied now as is Terapo.

The smallish KB is still hanging out near Darwin, and a sub is lost to ASW air.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 26, 43
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Ground combat at 75,47 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19340 troops, 376 guns, 1679 vehicles, Assault Value = 831

Defending force 34327 troops, 131 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 784

Japanese adjusted assault: 343

Allied adjusted defense: 481

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
119 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 90 (13 destroyed, 77 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1492 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 226 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled

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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 14982 troops, 225 guns, 844 vehicles, Assault Value = 699

Defending force 17277 troops, 96 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 213

Japanese adjusted assault: 394

Allied adjusted defense: 661

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
200 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1718 casualties reported
Squads: 119 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 32 (31 destroyed, 1 disabled)

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Ground combat at Mili (136,121)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2626 troops, 9 guns, 51 vehicles, Assault Value = 168

Defending force 1907 troops, 35 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 60

Japanese adjusted defense: 3

Allied assault odds: 20 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Mili !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
280 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (16 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled

Assaulting units:
22nd Marine Regiment
34th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
5th US Naval Construction Battalion
26th US Naval Construction Battalion

Defending units:
Sasebo 6th SNLF
44th Naval Guard Unit
Kure 5th SNLF
7th JNAF Coy

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 27, 43
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Afternoon Air attack on Bhamo , at 63,44

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 7

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 25000 feet

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Ground combat at 75,47 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 18987 troops, 375 guns, 1669 vehicles, Assault Value = 790

Defending force 32918 troops, 131 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 620

Japanese adjusted assault: 432

Allied adjusted defense: 181

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 32 (4 destroyed, 28 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
6400 casualties reported
Squads: 179 destroyed, 54 disabled
Non Combat: 221 destroyed, 76 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 16 (10 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14801 troops, 225 guns, 844 vehicles, Assault Value = 679

Defending force 15947 troops, 71 guns, 95 vehicles, Assault Value = 181

Japanese adjusted assault: 294

Allied adjusted defense: 115

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Paoshan !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
101 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
16134 casualties reported
Squads: 418 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1211 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 45 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 103 (103 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 109 (109 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 16

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Division
Guards Tank Division

Defending units:
39th Indian Division
16th Indian Bde /1
13th Chinese Base Force
72nd Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
11th Group Army
62nd Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
10th Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
33rd Base Group /1
80th Chinese Corps
Fourteenth USAAF
103rd RN Base Force /1

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Ground combat at Lae (99,126)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2002 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 63

Defending force 3266 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 109

Japanese adjusted assault: 23

Allied adjusted defense: 139

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 6

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
42nd Naval Guard Unit
58th Construction Battalion
18th Garrison Unit /3

Defending units:
138th(Sep) Infantry Rgt /19

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Ground combat at Dimapur (62,38)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 45790 troops, 726 guns, 822 vehicles, Assault Value = 1542

Defending force 36178 troops, 430 guns, 320 vehicles, Assault Value = 861

Japanese ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
107 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
50th Tank Brigade
7th Australian Division
3rd Marine Division
9th Australian Division
98th Field Artillery Battalion
2/1st Med Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
183rd Field Artillery Battalion
III Indian Corps
17th Indian Light AA Regiment
1st West African AA Regiment

Defending units:
33rd Division
55th Division
6th Air Defense AA Regiment
3rd Air Division
51st Air Defense AA Battalion
36th Field AA Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
1st Art.Mortar Regiment
44th Ind.AA Gun Co
44th Field AA Battalion
2nd Area Army
31st Ind.AA Gun Co
12th Ind. AA Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th JAAF Base Force

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Ground combat at Ledo (65,38)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 5047 troops, 21 guns, 632 vehicles, Assault Value = 437

Defending force 1019 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 16

Allied adjusted assault: 691

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 691 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Ledo !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1283 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 78 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
255th Armoured Brigade
150th RAC Regiment
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
Gardner's Horse Regiment

Defending units:
67th Naval Guard Unit
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The new situation means I can finally fly some things in (and out) of China. It's also well within non-drop tank transfer range for Hellcats and Corsairs from Chungking to Ledo.

At Dimapur I'm 9k under stacking limits and waiting for armor to move from Ledo to make that up, then I'll consider a DA if anything moves out without being replaced. In the meantime I'll bomb troops at Jorhat heavily.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 9:15:41 PM

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Japan doesn't keep "aces" alive long, but can keep a very decently experienced Air Force, with solid overall experience and specialized skills.

Yes, this is my point. Viperpol, did not have many high scoring aces left as Japanese pilots do die off quickly. However, he had plenty of well trained pilots left including hundreds of expertly trained pilots. (70 and above). So, just saying that I would not obsess with killing pilots.

Just by nature of the game, the Allies will accumulate aces. Fact is, I would rather have an average pilot in a thunderbolt than a Japanese ace in anything the Japanese player can put in the air.

I have noticed with the revised air model that average Allied planes can do well. In stock, I eventually just had to hide my Hurricane IIs and P39s after the Tojo came on board. Mr Tojo is still tough but in 10/42 my highest scoring unit is a P39 unit.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/6/2015 10:09:27 PM

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How is your construction engineer situation is India?? Anything less than 300 engineers (engineers + eng vehicles) at a base is not enough for rapid expansion and repairs. Any newly captured bases close to or plans for expansion to size 9??

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/7/2015 3:46:10 PM

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Here's a look at the NE India area and newly captured bases. I'll be building all of the bases close to Burma to at least size 8 to get the extra AS, but also to have options for different kinds of missions here. I'm not so concerned with speed in most but fro Ledo and anything close to China I definitely am.

I'm currently flying stuff in there and once Jorhat is captured the same will happen there. Then if we get Dimapur soon, which it looks like we will after the Japanese move out, more will be able to rail in. Currently Tezpur is getting the benefit of the in between time to build up fast. After playing Japan though I'm happy with 50 engineers and 20 Eng. vehicles in a base.

Chittagong will be critical for later to get shorter range planes to sweep and escort at Mandalay and Magwe, his two bigger bases in Burma.

First things first though. China must be fed!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/8/2015 9:28:26 AM

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Since the Med is now open I thought it would be good to look at convoy routes. I ended up looking at the entire map.

It obviously makes sense to use the Aden route from East Coast now and also could get some efficient supply moving from the UK. As new units come that I want to send to the CBI this will really expedite their movement. Also, now that CT to Perth is more viable, the Allies gain a lot of flexibility in moving ocean to ocean quickly.

I'd like to get Cocos soon to secure these routes further and put psychological pressure on the Japanese in the DEI.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/8/2015 12:53:34 PM

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Based on a discussion in SqzMyLemon's AAR I started looking at bomb loads and got to understand better how in game the Japanese are not so far behind the Allies, especially early in the war, in terms of how they can affect outcomes through concentrated air strikes. Since I've continually faced large raids, 150-250 bombers against single hexes at times, I thought I'd look at what that means.

Here are some comparisons of Japanese and Allied standard bomb types for HB/MB.

The Japanese 250kg GP bomb has a better anti-armor and anti-soft rating, and it also has a greater effect.

To equal 50 B-17E/F hitting a target the Japanese need to send about 91 Sally/Helen. They probably also have some advantage from greater accuracy of each device and/or the better anti-soft/anti-hard ratings. Not sure how those are calculated, but I don't need to get that precise. I just wanted to know the relative approximate strengths of strike abilities.

ALLIED B-24: 40 x 300 = 120,000

ALLIED B-17E/F: 50 x 8 x 300 = 120,000

ALLIED B-25: 67 x 6 x 300 = 120,600

IJ Sally/Helen: 91 x 4 x 331 = 120,484

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/8/2015 1:04:45 PM

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Here are a few more for the smaller sized bombs, the Allied 250lb GP and the IJ 100kg GP bombs. The lower accuracy, penetration and smaller anti-soft/hard effects would also most likely mean neither of these would really equal the power of 50 B-17E/F.

ALLIED Blenheim: 200 x 4 x 150 = 120,000

IJ Lily: 228 x 4 x 132 = 120,384

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/8/2015 2:30:39 PM

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Well, the big thing you don't mention is that the Allied bombers can fly thru a wall of flak and still make hits. The Helens, not so much.

Nice map earlier!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/8/2015 4:36:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Well, the big thing you don't mention is that the Allied bombers can fly thru a wall of flak and still make hits. The Helens, not so much.

Nice map earlier!

In DBB I find the 4Es get to target pretty well but the 2E not so much in the face of decent flak. I just watched a turn where about 100-120 Allied 2E got exactly one disabled squad in a ground strike with very heavy flak at the base. The weather was also bad, but the 4E flying to the same base from the same altitude were able to get good hits on the fields.

It's tough for the Japanese bombers later in the game for sure, but still possible to get to the Allied bases if they let their guard down and weather cooperates.

The reason for posting this for myself was just to get some idea of equivalents, not just between sides but in my own forces to understand what effect each type really might have on the target.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/8/2015 5:52:31 PM

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May 28 - 29, 1943

The game slowed this weekend as Nick's father has been in the hospital. My thoughts are with him and his family now.

SUBS: A new sub, the Seahorse, get a PB picket out near the Kuriles.

INDIA: A few good days of bombing at Jorhat in the clear net a lot of disabled IJA troops. The 5th division leaves and a regiment is really trashed, but also seems to be moving on. I may get a shot at reduced troops at Dimapur later, but he'll probably take the overstacking hit and just move them up the road all together. Still, he won't have much supply for the walk through the jungle during the monsoon, and those units will try to suck from Burma losing a lot of supply on the way.

CENT PAC: Sending an invasion to Jaluit. It should land in the next two days, depending on what I see coming.

SO PAC: A BIG IJN TF is found by our PTs near Torokina. I sent in two bombardment TFs and minesweeper TF to Buin in preparation for landing there, and the PTs luckily reacted. The Musashi, Fuso and Yamashiro are here, and 3 cruisers plus 10 DDs are with them. My three TFs hit Buin just fine, but two DDs hit mines. They'll make it back to Brisbane. It's a good hit one day too late, shutting the base but missing the 190 fighters that were just here. Bait I guess, and the Musashi TF was aiming for a bombardment he knew would happen. I'm sure he sees my amphibs too, so I'll bring it all back and reset. Unload. Then go again.

CHINA: The IJA moves to within one hex of Chungking on the SE road there. I'm shifting a lot of troops around to get the right numbers and some with supply into that hex. I also have to be aware of leaving just enough free for new units arriving to move out of Chungking on to the NE.

SIGINT: Weird SIGINT. I'll keep my eyes open but this seems strange. Rangoon is too much in view to just move CVs there, and they can't even go upriver. I'll get some subs in the way of this division moving to Sarmi.

a Japanese CV is moving to Rangoon (54,53).

26/14th Division is loaded on a Kyushu Cargo class xAK moving to Sarmi.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 28, 43
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Horn Island at 91,127, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Akikaze
DD Hokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Kyukaze

Allied Ships
PT-235
PT-237
PT-243, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
PT-256, Shell hits 1

Reduced sighting due to 21% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 21% moonlight: 2,000 yards

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 29, 43
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TF 438 encounters mine field at Buin (109,131)

Allied Ships
DMS Hamilton
DMS Hovey

21 mines cleared

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Torokina at 109,130, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa
CL Agano
DD Shimakaze
DD Yugiri
DD Amagiri
DD Akebono
DD Sazanami
DD Ushio
DD Minazuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Uruyuke
DD Kosugiri

Allied Ships
PT-83
PT-84
PT-115
PT-116
PT-117
PT-118, Shell hits 1

Reduced sighting due to 21% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 21% moonlight: 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 10,000 yards
Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 10,000 yards
BB Yamashiro fires at PT-118 at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
BB Musashi engages PT-117 at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
DD Akebono engages PT-118 at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
BB Musashi engages PT-84 at 8,000 yards
DD Shimakaze engages PT-118 at 9,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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TF 259 encounters mine field at Buin (109,131)

Allied Ships
DD Bennett, Mine hits 1

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TF 205 encounters mine field at Buin (109,131)

Allied Ships
DD Walke, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Naval bombardment of Buin at 109,131

Japanese Ships
ACM Hinode Maru #17, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Australia
CL Santa Fe
CL Perth
CL Achilles
CL Leander
DD Wilson
DD Morris
DD Barton

Japanese ground losses:
467 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Airbase hits 25
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 58
Port hits 27
Port fuel hits 12
Port supply hits 2

Seagull V acting as spotter for CA Australia
CA Australia firing at Buin
CL Achilles firing at 18th Garrison Unit

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Night Naval bombardment of Buin at 109,131

Allied Ships
BB Colorado
BB Maryland

Japanese ground losses:
501 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 2

BB Colorado firing at Buin
BB Maryland firing at Buin

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Night Naval bombardment of Buin at 109,131

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Helena
CL St. Louis

Japanese ground losses:
695 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 10 (4 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 31
Port hits 9
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

CL Helena firing at Buin
CL St. Louis firing at Buin

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TF 438 encounters mine field at Buin (109,131)

Allied Ships
DMS Hamilton
DMS Hovey

36 mines cleared

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TF 438 encounters mine field at Buin (109,131)

Allied Ships
DMS Hamilton
DMS Hovey

29 mines cleared

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This was a surprise. I feel like this isn't the best TF composition fro this area, but I may be proved wrong. I'm going to head back and reorganize and get a bunch of CLs together and I might even bring in the fast BBs. Musashi is tough, but those cruisers might make the whole thing engage to closely. We'l see.

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