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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/10/2015 4:30:58 PM   
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I have some doubt as to whether or not the Allies will shock across the river or attempt to flank, but I do know they are coming, I doubt he will wait for his HQs to prep for the attack. But you never know.

That shouldn't matter. If the Allies do try to flank it, as Obvert said it is a slow march to get there. At that point you can just pull back from Moulmein to those hexes you highlighted in yellow before. Though if have enough units you could try to defend the hex east of Moulmein as well. Alternatively, you could defend the hex SE of Moulmein so you don't have to pull back from Moulmein should he cross the river to the east. After that, if he tries to outflank via Tavoy as I said he might you can just pull back from there as well and defend the hex directly to the east in 2x terrain. Even if you are pulling back without fighting, the fact that are making the Allies have to march through the jungle around your units is going to buy you some valuable time.


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He could just walk to Tavoy, but again, that will take more time than going directly to Bangkok. It also will require exposing troops along the coast to many days of possible bombardments. I'd lock the place down with the KB and bring the big boys in if he eventually chooses that route.

How is getting to Tavoy going to take longer than Bangkok? Moulmein to Tavoy is a straight shot along a primary roads I don't believe the Japanese have the ability to safely project power along that part of the Burmese coast. And even if they could that seems like a misuse of the KB at a time when it needs to be guarding against landings.

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/10/2015 5:44:12 PM   
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There I was cranking out the turn, and poof...power outage and I wasn't on my laptop. All those orders gone...teach to me save more often.

Hopefully bombarding Cap Nicobar this time, sweeping Port Blair and bombing both the port and the airfield.

The first of the Allied units has made contact on the Tuang Gyi road; Tuang Gyi has only one unit in it, but there is a Yank regiment right next door in the jungle road. Five to Eight units in the other bases close by.


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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/10/2015 5:47:33 PM   
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That shouldn't matter. If the Allies do try to flank it, as Obvert said it is a slow march to get there. At that point you can just pull back from Moulmein to those hexes you highlighted in yellow before. Though if have enough units you could try to defend the hex east of Moulmein as well. Alternatively, you could defend the hex SE of Moulmein so you don't have to pull back from Moulmein should he cross the river to the east. After that, if he tries to outflank via Tavoy as I said he might you can just pull back from there as well and defend the hex directly to the east in 2x terrain. Even if you are pulling back without fighting, the fact that are making the Allies have to march through the jungle around your units is going to buy you some valuable time.


Thanks for the advice!

I am giving Moulmien a chance here.

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 12:01:34 AM   
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He could just walk to Tavoy, but again, that will take more time than going directly to Bangkok. It also will require exposing troops along the coast to many days of possible bombardments. I'd lock the place down with the KB and bring the big boys in if he eventually chooses that route.

How is getting to Tavoy going to take longer than Bangkok? Moulmein to Tavoy is a straight shot along a primary roads I don't believe the Japanese have the ability to safely project power along that part of the Burmese coast. And even if they could that seems like a misuse of the KB at a time when it needs to be guarding against landings.



Lowpe has shown he's willing and able to throw bombardments all of the way out to the Andamans, so the Burmese coastline should be easy. CAP would be plentiful and strikes against interdiction would come from a multitude of big fields. Plus, even though it's a major road, getting bombed slows progress. Once at Tavoy he'd have to take the place. I'm thinking he wouldn't bring 6k AV there, but if he did, and the forts are high, it cold still take a while. There is time to reinforce that area, which should have defense against amphibious invasions already.

Once he has Tavoy it's slog through jungle, even if it's only one hex. With supply moving through non-road hexes attacks are more sporadic, and if this happens Lowpe could hold with some troops and fall back to the area around Bangkok with the rest. We'll see. This is one reason I'm sold on stacking limits. Huge stacks like the Allies are using now (and which the Japanese would have to answer with another like it) just make the game really one dimensional.

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 12:19:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a big surprise planned for those Allies this day, at least I hope it will be a surprise. It could easily be a big disaster. That is the story of this game.

The Tone is rearmed at Sabang, however I find I have to keep the AKEs at sea, disband them, reload the warships, and then put the AKEs back into a TF lest the Allied 4Es strike the port.

So, given the tendency for the Allies to strike ports this way, I need to setup a trap. I had been trying in the Hanoi/Saigon area but no luck. Perhaps if I try along Andamans area I can nail his bombers.

Jack will be in action tomorrow, can't wait to see what they can do in an offensive manner.



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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 12:41:12 PM   
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No night attacks...scrubbed for weather and straying.

Cap Nicobar bombarded by two different groups, lightly, and we nail many Thunderbolts.

Dawn arrives, and the fighters start to sweep Port Blair. Jacks, Tonies, and George. Jacks go first and run into Corsairs and company; and while it looks like the Japanese fighters get the worst of it, by the end of the morning it is an even split 70 for 70 roughly with Corsairs leading the days casualties, followed by Hurricanes. Sweet.

The sweeps went in disjointed, but manage to sink a heavy cruiser. Go figure!




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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 12:42:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Astute observers will notice that small Japanese fleet Southeast of Port Blair. A bombardment force perhaps, that didn't go in? All to normal, these days.

But no, it is something quite different.

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 12:44:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Desitination Port Blair. 53 ships are in stuffed into that small port, 250 Allied Air Planes. Hurricanes, Warhawks, Spitfires and Corsairs, oh my! We hates them, we hates them all! Lets do some pounding!




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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 12:46:22 PM   
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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 12:47:48 PM   
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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 12:51:02 PM   
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The Allied 6000 AV Army doesn't force their way across the river south of Pegu...fortress Moulmien is started and has a chance to recover. The Allies even bomb Sabang, where the Oscars are swept aside by Jugs, but there really isn't a lot there right now for him to hit -- all ships sortied into task forces.

But, and there is always a but, the Allied Tank Army is heading further south on the Tuang Gyi road.






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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 1:07:15 PM   
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The ships losses that will hurt Allies are CL Santa Fe and Honolulu and some of the DDs that may include a few Fletchers.

Your opponent really needs to airlift in engineers and more engineers to repair damage.

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 2:12:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Depends which Preston for the Fletcher. I believe Dyson is the only other Fletcher listed there. I could be wrong. Bagging them is always nice for Japan.

Well played.

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 3:05:18 PM   
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Just curious, how many Eng do you have committed to Moulmien for fort building?

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 3:53:53 PM   
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KUDOS!!

The ships losses that will hurt Allies are CL Santa Fe and Honolulu and some of the DDs that may include a few Fletchers.

Your opponent really needs to airlift in engineers and more engineers to repair damage.



Thanks, but don't tell him to airlift engineers. Nice slow unescorted ships would be good enough.

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 3:55:30 PM   
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Depends which Preston for the Fletcher. I believe Dyson is the only other Fletcher listed there. I could be wrong. Bagging them is always nice for Japan.

Well played.


I will do a little research, I thought the Case was a Fletcher too, but could be wrong. Pretty sure I sank a Preston before.

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 4:01:45 PM   
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Really great job there!

Just curious, how many Eng do you have committed to Moulmien for fort building?


Not much more than what is in the inherent troops...375 plus 2 bulldozers and a dozen engineering tanks. I don't think they will have time to build forts anymore, too busy repairing broken things.

Most construction engineers are heading towards Raheng and Uttardit, dual next line fortresses.

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RE:Even more Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 4:11:41 PM   
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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 4:39:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Leaving so many ships in a front line base like that is an egregious mistake. I counted 6 CLs disbanded in port. Allies get a lot of cruisers but they can't afford to lose them in port like this. This is just a case where the Allies got lazy and careless and paid for it...nicely done.

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 5:01:17 PM   
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Leaving so many ships in a front line base like that is an egregious mistake. I counted 6 CLs disbanded in port. Allies get a lot of cruisers but they can't afford to lose them in port like this. This is just a case where the Allies got lazy and careless and paid for it...nicely done.

Big opportunity and taken advantage of, for sure!

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 8:21:34 PM   
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Depends which Preston for the Fletcher. I believe Dyson is the only other Fletcher listed there. I could be wrong. Bagging them is always nice for Japan.

Well played.


I will do a little research, I thought the Case was a Fletcher too, but could be wrong. Pretty sure I sank a Preston before.


1st Preston MAY be a Mahan - not 100% sure but I thought a Preston II shows up in the game.. a simple Google search would tell us - I'm just lazy.

Just Googled it...

Case and first Preston were Mahans and the second Preston is Fletcher. So, if this is the second one you've sunk, well done! Well done either way.

To me.. depending on how far forward either side is, Port Blair is like Port Moresby - a trap. I couldn't agree more with Sangeli and witpqs


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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 9:43:15 PM   
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Leaving so many ships in a front line base like that is an egregious mistake. I counted 6 CLs disbanded in port. Allies get a lot of cruisers but they can't afford to lose them in port like this. This is just a case where the Allies got lazy and careless and paid for it...nicely done.


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Well done! Even damaged ships have a better chance to survive getting out of the line of fire. This should help your Moulmein army as well, as control of the Andaman Sea will make it tough for him to bombard often or support later moves along the coast.

Where are his CVs?

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 10:53:09 PM   
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The turn is away and we shall what the morrow brings.


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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 10:55:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sangeli

Leaving so many ships in a front line base like that is an egregious mistake. I counted 6 CLs disbanded in port. Allies get a lot of cruisers but they can't afford to lose them in port like this. This is just a case where the Allies got lazy and careless and paid for it...nicely done.


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Well done! Even damaged ships have a better chance to survive getting out of the line of fire. This should help your Moulmein army as well, as control of the Andaman Sea will make it tough for him to bombard often or support later moves along the coast.

Where are his CVs?


Refueling and refitting at Pearl Harbor.

I have the Kaga, Akagi and the CVEs in the Central Pacific, but the KB has to leave the area and head back to protect the Marianas now. Time to group everyone together I think.

I hope to have gained a month or so here. Remember, I will be happy if I can keep the oil flowing until Jan 44, anything after that is gravy.

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RE: Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/11/2015 11:10:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japan shot down 28 F4U-1 yesterday, which was about one month of production for a running total over 250. With the Allied Deathstar getting the CV capable Corsair right now, I think I have a little time to regroup before the Allies next major push.

Back in action today is the premier George unit filled out with fresh planes, if the Allies think Japan's fighter strength is starting to wane, they will be in for a rude surprise.

In other news, I now have 5 size 30 factories going after the final George, and I will add another engine factory to speed the engine even more (it is also used in the SamJ).

Impressed with the Tony sweeping, I had doubts, but they did well even as the got dived on.

I noticed that his bombing runs at Moulmien will now be vulnerable to LRCAP, as I think his fighter pools are running thin - his escorting planes are getting fewer and fewer.

Several surprises for the Allies this next day, perhaps a visit from an old friend, and light a candle that we avoid his numerous subs in the Andamans.

I started r&d for the Zero NF, phasing out some Nicks.

I started r&d for the Lorna.











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RE: Even more Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/12/2015 1:49:23 AM   
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Night raids: Emilies hit Rangoon, and find Allied NF there.

Two bombardments and more sweeps of Port Blair find the Allied Jugs forces, so planes losses were higher, but we still manage to clean up the port a little more.


What does it take to sink some of these ships?

Port Blair down from a high of 53 ships two days ago to 14 this day.









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RE: Even more Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/12/2015 1:51:52 AM   
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RE: Even more Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/12/2015 1:59:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Plane losses much higher this turn George versus Thunderbolts not a great matchup.

Two sentai of Lillie divebombers fly without their Oscar escorts and get chewed up but manage to nail several xaks. My bad, left the Oscars on training.


The Helen strikes on Port Blair get chewed up with some poor coordination, but still strike the airfield and port and 50 fighters show up in Chungking despite the 50 percent airfield damage there (must be mostly service damage).

KB is retiring, more bombardments of Port Blair for the morrow, and even more ships are showing up for the next day, but the KB I think is gone from this theatre for a while.

Damaged battleships safely in Singers...repair time looks ugly, but the shipyard is crowded with destroyers and Iboats so we shall see what it looks like in a few days.

Landed some 32cm siege mortars on Trinkat and they can hurt the paratroopers there.

All troops safely in Moulmien, trying to get supply to flow there in adequate amounts (unloading at Mergui), more Allied bombing at Chumphon and Moulmien.

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RE: Even more Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/12/2015 2:03:44 AM   
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Pagan is getting a CD unit in the next day or two...

42K of supply making approach to Ponape...

Pulled a regiment off Rabaul...heading to Indochina.


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RE: Even more Blood on the water - Andamans Afire - 3/12/2015 10:32:40 AM   
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Excellent strike and plan

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