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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/10/2015 2:39:23 PM

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Ok, that is a pretty goofy attack on Marcus.

Showing the KB certainly bought several more days for them. What do the defenders look like? Did you fly in more troops?

Yes. I've flown in another naval guard unit, and now I'm flying out an engineer force and in another guard unit and a small 8cm CD gun force if there is still time tomorrow. (At least I'm trying. Forgot to look in turn at this device to see if it's flyable, but seems to remember that it is).

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/10/2015 7:32:43 PM

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Damn!

So close to this being a very good day! Only four fired though, and the I-5 goes down after a massive deluge of DCs following the attack.

The I-33 also gets a look at a replenishment TF.

Looks like a well composed TF here. He's got the ships to do this with them all, singletons, but I wonder if either we're not seeing them all or if they vary. Also, this could lead to some interesting reactions to get into range if tempted.

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Sub attack near Marcus Island at 127,84

Japanese Ships
SS I-5, hits 32, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CV Lexington
BB Washington
CA Pensacola
CA Chicago
CLAA San Juan
DD Bailey
DD Laffey
DD Converse
DD Gillespie
DD Gansevoort
DD Frazier
DD Caldwell

SS I-5 launches 4 torpedoes at CV Lexington
DD Gillespie attacking submerged sub ....
DD Caldwell attacking submerged sub ....
Large oil slick appears over area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Marcus Island at 127,84

Japanese Ships
SS I-33, hits 4

Allied Ships
DD Monaghan
DD Beale
AO Saranac
AO Monongahela
DD Rotherham
DD Relentless
DD Racehorse
DD Aylwin

SS I-33 is sighted by escort
DD Rotherham fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Relentless fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Racehorse fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Aylwin attacking submerged sub ....
DD Aylwin fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/10/2015 8:06:43 PM

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9 October, 1943

SUBS: Still hunting. The near miss gives the guys hope. I still have five more subs entering the fray and many still don't have a DL. Two were lost no the day though, one from the failed attack and another to ASW air strikes. His planes must be wearing down though.

BURMA: Hit Ramree well and got a few more on the Lashio fields.

CENT PAC: Speaking of planes wearing down I've sent the KB to Saipan to take one airframe out of every group to ensure they're going to fly if I do decide to commit soon. They really are repairing slowly. I think his Hellcats flying CAP for the last week must be pretty damaged by now, and the SBD have been flying with tanks, so they will be worn down too. The longer he stays the more tempted I am to act.

Is this his plan?

SW PAC: next turn I'll go for a strike on Saidor. I've now moved in another 200 fighters from recently arriving air groups and they're at Madang and Cap Gloucester. The Rabaul groups are taking replacements and getting up to full strength again after a week of sweeps.

Today's Allied fleet location.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/10/2015 8:13:57 PM

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Maybe it's a major ASW operation?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/10/2015 8:14:57 PM

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Maybe it's a major ASW operation?

It's at least turning into that!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/10/2015 10:25:26 PM

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Incredible.

He really can procrastinate.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 7:16:19 AM

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Incredible.

He really can procrastinate.

I get the feeling this is all as intended. He got used to my over-aggressive use of the fleet in the early days trying to make up for the loss of the KB. Now I'm content to sit back and watch until a good opportunity arises. His job would be a lot easier if I sent the KB in and got the other half sunk, even if we got a few too. So at this point I'm going to see if the subs and mines and level 6 forts can deal with this one until it looks to good to pass up.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 7:32:44 AM

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10 October, 1943

SUBS: Hit the KVII near Rabaul with a few direct ones.

Subs still doing the fox trot near Marcus. A few more damaged but none sunk this turn. That's good.

Snapper gets an xAK near Borneo, but the Alied subs have been much quieter in the last two weeks. I hope that doesn't mean 90 f them will show up off the Marianas tomorrow!

BURMA: Another good strike on Akyab. It's definitely closed up now. Bombed the troops moving offroad again. It's a brigade, an AT gun unit, and a Marine Defense battalion?!? In the middle of the Burmese jungle!! I guess their AA is good and they offer good quality troops.

CENT PAC: Still waiting.

SW PAC: Swept and then bombed Saidor. He had a LR CAP set but it was slow to react fully, making me think it was set over another base. Maybe Lae? Even the zero and oscars do well against the Hellcats and Corsairs no LR CAP! The bombers get through and plaster the base. This should ensure nothing is flown in to the fields although he could use Cats to go through the port.

The battlewagons have made Hollandia undetected and will move to within 7 hexes of Saidor with LR CAP protection.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 10, 42
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Morning Air attack on Saidor , at 99,124

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 18

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x A6M5b Zero sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
VMF-217 with F4U-1 Corsair (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on Saidor , at 99,124

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 38
G4M1 Betty x 27

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 47

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VMF-217 with F4U-1 Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 331 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 75th Indian Brigade, at 60,47 , near Mandalay

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 29
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 22
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 51

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 85th British AT Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Marine Defense Battalion ... In the jungle?

Also attacking 75th Indian Brigade ...

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 107 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 62

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 15 damaged
Vengeance I: 3 destroyed on ground
P-40N1 Warhawk: 6 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 8 damaged
DB-7B: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Saidor , at 99,124

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 59
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 29

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 19
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar sweeping at 7000 feet
4 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar sweeping at 7000 feet

CAP engaged:
VMF-217 with F4U-1 Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
VMF-222 with F6F-3 Hellcat (13 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 38800
Raid is overhead
VMF-225 with F4U-1 Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
18 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 55 minutes

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He's been losing a lot of Corsairs. His pools there have to be getting low.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 7:48:49 AM

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And it begins!

The first thing I notice is a split in the fleets during the night search phase. This should open the door for some sub attacks, but alas nothing big gets in the sights.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 7:50:02 AM

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USN BBs make quick work of the only surface threat in the area. If only I had some MTBs!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 7:51:16 AM

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A lot of midget subs interact with the bombardmnet TFs, which are numerous. At first they only take a pounding, as do the fleet subs that get in the way.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 7:58:56 AM

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At last one hits paydirt! These TT pack a punch if I remember correctly. Am I right on that?

Interestingly I heard some sinking sounds, but they were later and could also have been induced by the several mine hits on USN DDs. Another sub did get an attack on this TF a few hexes off of Marcus and the Vincennes was still there and not detached, although it didn't seem to take part in the bombardment. Hmmmm.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 8:01:06 AM

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I counted two BB bombadrments, three by CA TFs, and another by a CL led TF. The base is 100% damaged in all categories, but the troops have disruption only in the single digits and seem t have been relatively unscathed by all of this, thanks to the forts.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 8:02:49 AM

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No sub attack after the bombardments unfortunately as ships seem to flee toward Wake. I'll put some subs on catch-up duty as it'd be nice to hit a BB and some of the escorts might be short on ASW now!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 8:19:37 AM

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In spite of facing two divisions worth of troops (

) on a 6k SL atoll, the IJ troops hold!!!

I have a feeling he might have landed too much and run himself out of supply here. It doesn't look like there was enough lift capacity in the amphibs to get these here plus the supply needed to sustain anything but a first day assault, and maybe not even that. I could be completely wrong, but we'll see. This is set up for an interesting day 2.

The IJ have one guard unit and one SNLF in very good shape, plus a few odds and ends. Another guard unit intended for the base doesn't fly in due to the wrecked field. The 8cm DP guns do fly though thanks to the Emilys, and they are here now after the bombardment phase from the previous day, so three are working. More of this unit will be flown in tomorrow, which includes good HMG crews and another 12 SNLF squads. I should get the defense up to 130-40 AV against around 480 AV + anything else that is landed. If he lands more though it'll be dicey with another shock after these divisions must be incredibly disabled due to the 1:2 and the SL being so far over-topped.

After the battle 14k+ troops are listed on Marcus. So minus troops lost I'd say the Allies still have 10k on ships to unload. If they do that could send them into a supply spiral and the next attack cold be a disaster, especially if the forts aren't lowered again.

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Submarine attack near Marcus Island at 126,86

Japanese Ships
SS I-19, hits 14, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Detroit
SC-633
SC-632
SC-630
SC-519
AM Whippoorwill
AM Robin
AM Rail
AM Turkey
APA Feland
APA Doyen
APA Arthur Middleton
APA Crescent City
APA President Monroe
APA President Adams
APA President Jackson
APA Barnett
APA J. Franklin Bell
APA Henry T. Allen
APA Harris
APA Wharton
AKA Bellatrix
LCI-335
LCI-329
LCI-328
LCI-217
LCI-75
LCI-63
LCI-23
LCI-22
xAP Maui
xAP Santa Elena
xAP Mariposa
DE Wileman
DE LeHardy
APA Callaway, Shell hits 1
APA Bolivar
CL Concord

SS I-19 launches 6 torpedoes at CL Detroit
I-19 diving deep ....

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TF 210 encounters mine field at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Ships
DD Russell, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

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TF 273 encounters mine field at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Ships
DD Perkins, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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TF 363 encounters mine field at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Ships
AM Whippoorwill
AM Robin
AM Vireo
AM Tern
AM Rail
AM Turkey
AM Penguin
SC-630, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
SC-521, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

42 mines cleared

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Sub attack near Marcus Island at 123,85

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-20, hits 7, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Vincennes, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
DD Stack
DD Lang

SSX Ha-20 launches 2 torpedoes at CA Vincennes
DD Stack fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Lang attacking submerged sub ....
Underwater explosion, debris and oil appear on surface!
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Naval bombardment of Marcus Island at 123,85

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
ACM Choan Maru #2, Shell hits 1
AV Ginyo Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SSX Ha-12, hits 1, heavy damage
SSX Ha-7, hits 2, heavy damage
SSX Ha-8, hits 1, heavy damage
PB Nishho Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Arizona
BB West Virginia
BB Colorado
BB Maryland

Japanese ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 40
Port hits 11
Port supply hits 2

BB Arizona firing at Marcus Island

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Amphibious Assault at Marcus Island (123,85)

TF 363 troops unloading over beach at Marcus Island, 123,85

Allied ground losses:
1171 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 241 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 111 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 106 (0 destroyed, 106 disabled)
Vehicles lost 129 (1 destroyed, 128 disabled)

13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad 43 lost from landing craft during unload of 1st Cavalry (Spec) Cav Div /1
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 1st Cavalry (Spec) Cav Div /4
Motorized Support accidentally lost during unload of 1st Cavalry (Spec) Cav Div /6

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3155 troops, 38 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 186

Defending force 14578 troops, 328 guns, 463 vehicles, Assault Value = 633

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (5 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Sasebo 7th SNLF
2nd South Seas Gsn
78th Naval Guard Unit
8th Armored Car Co
Det. 3rd Special Base Force /1
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
194th Tank Bn /6
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
25th Infantry Div /6
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 14195 troops, 320 guns, 458 vehicles, Assault Value = 624

Defending force 4629 troops, 42 guns, 53 vehicles, Assault Value = 182

Allied adjusted assault: 70

Japanese adjusted defense: 181

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
681 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 37 (17 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3188 casualties reported
Squads: 101 destroyed, 61 disabled
Non Combat: 125 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 49 (39 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 92 (80 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Assaulting units:
194th Tank Bn /6
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
25th Infantry Div /6
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force

Defending units:
8th Armored Car Co
78th Naval Guard Unit
Sasebo 7th SNLF
2nd South Seas Gsn
Det. 3rd Special Base Force /1
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 8:23:49 AM

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Our subs took it in the chin, but the delays in unloading and bombardments could mean a big difference in the outcome of the day. Also, those depleted bombardments TFs heading back are not too far away now and it would be sweet to hit a slow BB to equalize the sub points lost and then some. Four subs will be sent in pursuit.

Also lost the small AV and an ACM and PB here. The Allies lost two DDs for sure, two SCs, and the Vincennes at least damaged.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 8:27:08 AM

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This is what is left of the IJ troops. Holding depends on how much supply the Allies have left here and whether they land more stuff, bombard using the ships now embedded in the CV TFs, and whether some more are allowed to be flown in. I'm only trying to fly another 20 AV in, but that could make all the difference.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 8:32:29 AM

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Elsewhere a very interesting battle developed over the base at Taung Gyi. Both Hellcats and P-47s swept the four George groups flying a max height CAP here, and the Georges did extremely well. They end up with a 2:1 advantage at the end of the day and only lose 5 pilots KIA. The rest get a lot of new kills. There are still 150 planes ready to fly for tomorrow, which is surprising.

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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 161

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 38000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 41,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 159

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 150

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 155

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 117

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 8:38:22 AM

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I was very close to sending the KB from Saipan to the spot indicated on the map here, but decided to wait and make sure they're ready first. They'll move to pick up fuel and the planes repairing should be ready by the turn after so all will be set for a clean-up op if that's needed. I have Yamato and Hyuga here to put some hurt on whatever might be at Marcus in a few days.

This looks like a pretty fierce Allied CV force and unless there is a chance to fight with surprise and/or supported by LBA it just doesn't seem worth it.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 8:45:08 AM

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Tomorrow in SW PAC the BBs will strike the Aussie division sitting alone in Saidor. This thing can't be doing well here without much supply and damaged fields, so I'd like to add some disablements and wreck the port too.

The secondary mission is more risky, which is to end up at a home port of Madang, where 150 planes are on CAP and where the LR CAP will also try to protect this TF against the massive strikes that are sure to fly. It's a CAP trap but with a high level of risk involved for sure. If he aims to take out the Madang fields by chance on the same turn we could be in trouble!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 9:28:20 AM

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On North New Guinea I've landed a division at Sarmi and a big garrison force at Hollandia that will fly into Hansa Bay and be ready to walk to Madang if the Allies start moving that way. This is where the line begins to be drawn.

There is a good 200AV garrison force at Wewak as well. This will have to be an amphib campaign from now on and for that he has to move through Umboi Island where the Wake CD gun unit is ready with just enough troops to protect from a minor invasion or paradrop. I'l consider landing more here as this is a real stopper as I know from my own Allied game where Nick has done the same thing.

Rabaul, Kaveing and Madang are the big fields in the area. All others have been stopped at level 2. Most forts are around 3-4 but select bases will go higher, including Sarmi and Hollandia.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 10:57:53 AM

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FYI, combat occurs before the supply penalty for over stacking is applied. Any supply from ships (or via air) that goes into units during the turn but prior to combat is available to them for the combat phase.

Two divisions is too much - I wonder what happened?

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Great job, this will slow him down, put at risk more of his shipping, and give you a chance to nibble at something.

Allied bombardment was very weak for 4 BBs!

I really like the use of those armored car units on Atolls! Very cheap to buy back and recycle, and they seem to work well.

Midget's torpedoes are about 10% weaker than normal I believe.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 1:11:40 PM

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Great job, this will slow him down, put at risk more of his shipping, and give you a chance to nibble at something.

Allied bombardment was very weak for 4 BBs!

I really like the use of those armored car units on Atolls! Very cheap to buy back and recycle, and they seem to work well.

Midget's torpedoes are about 10% weaker than normal I believe.

Thanks. Yeah, the armored cars that get the mini-tanks seem useful. All were vaporized in the first battle but one, but with 6 forts they probably gave more than they recieved.

I noticed no spotters on the bombardments. Shhhhhh.

I hope this will slow him down. We still have a very contentious day of battle ahead and he's got another 15-20 embedded surface ships that could be released for bombardments.

So I'll sit back and pray! The turn just came back to me!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 1:24:09 PM

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FYI, combat occurs before the supply penalty for over stacking is applied. Any supply from ships (or via air) that goes into units during the turn but prior to combat is available to them for the combat phase.

Two divisions is too much - I wonder what happened?

This is very good to know. I think he may face very high supply requirements in addition to added disruption from the failed shock and from surpassing the SL by so much. Although the supply issue with SL may only show up after the combat I'm pretty confident that the other factors, which include disruption and an increase in supply requirements for the units, occur before combat.

I think he decided to ignore the SL to try and overpower the base. This doesn't work on atolls very well in my experience and it's even hard to do on land with SLs. I may be wrong, but from what I've seen it seems like overstacking effects increase the greater percentage overstacked a force is in that hex by a percentage factor. So if this is more than double the limit the effect should be severe. That's like 120k in a 50k hex.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 2:13:13 PM

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Thanks. Yeah, the armored cars that get the mini-tanks seem useful. All were vaporized in the first battle but one, but with 6 forts they probably gave more than they recieved.

I noticed no spotters on the bombardments. Shhhhhh.

Well, they are just armored cars, but they get targeted instead of the Naval Guards somewhat, dispersing the Allied attack. Or they get ignored and provide some nice AV albeit with pretty weak guns.

That happened in my game where the AC survived the bombing and bombardments and pretty much held the Atoll thru day 1. By the end of day 2 they were totally destroyed, but by then the SNLF squads started to recover and I held the Atoll much longer than I ever thought I could.

Which leads me to believe that multiple small AV units are the key to good Atoll defense. Something will avoid the battleship rain of death.

I thought no spotters might be the case. Lucky dog.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 4:52:10 PM

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Thanks. Yeah, the armored cars that get the mini-tanks seem useful. All were vaporized in the first battle but one, but with 6 forts they probably gave more than they recieved.

I noticed no spotters on the bombardments. Shhhhhh.

Well, they are just armored cars, but they get targeted instead of the Naval Guards somewhat, dispersing the Allied attack. Or they get ignored and provide some nice AV albeit with pretty weak guns.

That happened in my game where the AC survived the bombing and bombardments and pretty much held the Atoll thru day 1. By the end of day 2 they were totally destroyed, but by then the SNLF squads started to recover and I held the Atoll much longer than I ever thought I could.

Which leads me to believe that multiple small AV units are the key to good Atoll defense. Something will avoid the battleship rain of death.

I thought no spotters might be the case. Lucky dog.

Well, we might not be lucky yet here. Wait until you see this next one.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 4:54:02 PM

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Again, they come, and again the troops hold, but this one is more costly.

Several TFs unloaded yet more troops from the night phase all throughout the day.

The CD guns do nothing unfortunately.

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Invasion Support action off Marcus Island (123,85)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

58 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
SC-633
SC-632
SC-631
SC-522
SC-519
LCI-216
LCI-85
LCI-84
LCI-23
LCI-21
LCI-22
CL Concord
LCI-24
DE Wileman

Allied ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SC-633 fired at enemy troops

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:00:23 PM

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In the SW PAC area the BBs bombard but it's not nearly as effective as I'd hoped. I realized after there is no port here! The field is completely wrecked, and so maybe the spotters focused n the troops, but didn't really nail the division as much as I would have though considering I know there are no forts built.

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Night Naval bombardment of Saidor at 99,124

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Fuso
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato

Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

BB Ise firing at 8th Australian Division
BB Fuso firing at 8th Australian Division
E13A1 Jake acting as spotter for BB Mutsu

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:03:09 PM

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Somehow a few of the slow BBs still had ammo left and came in again. Not a huge effect, but all of it adds up.

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Night Naval bombardment of Marcus Island at 123,85

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho
CA Cornwall

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3
Port hits 2

BB Mississippi firing at Marcus Island
BB New Mexico firing at Marcus Island
BB Idaho firing at Sasebo 7th SNLF
CA Cornwall firing at Marcus Island

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The real killer though, and something he probably should have been doing for several days, were the CV are strikes that launched at Marcus for the first time. I was waiting for these as a sign that it's about time to use the KB.

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Afternoon Air attack on 78th Naval Guard Unit, at 123,85 (Marcus Island)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 8
F6F-3 Hellcat x 220
SBD-5 Dauntless x 97
TBF-1 Avenger x 240

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
530 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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