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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 8:32:56 AM

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Thanks guys. It's been a long road with this one, and it's such an odd duck of a game with the KB dimished immediately. I've gotten to like it though and I'm not looking forward to it ending, especially at this critical juncture.

Naval losses are still heavily in the favor of the Allies, really, except for BB!

Here are the BB losses posted earlier. The IJN has lost 4 CVs and a CVL (three on day 2, the Junyo and CVL near the Andamans when we also lost two BC, but sunk North Carolina and Lexington).

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3859326

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 7:01:23 PM

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Well, Torsten got right on it after that and sent back a turn!

I have to admit I was doing a bit of bluffing about heading toward Wake to see what I could get out there. I was actually a bit terrified about where I'd put my CVs and realized if he caught me this turn that might just be it.

The night started off well at least!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 7:05:43 PM

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The KB steams ... NORTH!

I sent her in the only direction I didn't mention, some kind of superstition taking over my thinking.

Still, we end up in range of the BBs, and put a bit more pain on top.

Lotsa hits here. Like 16!

About half are 500kg, but few if any penetrate the thick armor. Still, after yesterday, this ship can't be doing well.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 7:11:35 PM

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Then the KB manages to hit the Marcus forces, getting some hits on the best Allied assault vessels still left here, plus a number of their escorts. Not sure yet but I think this is the 8 hex strike I was planning just in case the Allied CVs ended up nearby.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 7:14:11 PM

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Looks like the Allies went toward the Marianas, but not into range of my LBA.

They hit three DDs that strayed too far North somehow. Sucks, as I could've gotten out of this turn without losing much of anything. Oh, well, such is war. It does damage a few, take a few sorties away, and get other planes more fatigued I guess in case there is more action tomorrow.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 7:22:29 PM

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Back on line! Great.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 7:36:58 PM

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A second smaller follow-up package also arrived at Marcus and severely damaged more of the APA while landing a couple on the old CL too. With the escorts crushed subs might now be able to really have a field day here!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 7:47:23 PM

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Here is the situation. The KB ends up 19 hexes from the Allied CVs who are 7 hexes out of Saipan and 11 from Marcus.

I'm a bit pleased with this as it means we have a pretty good shot North to head to safety.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 8:27:54 PM

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Other than the Jakes hitting the Allied CVs our losses were light on the day.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 8:45:22 PM

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15 October, 1943

SUBS: The I-2 gets to another US BB, listed as the West Virginia. Hits with 3 TT!

By the rollover I'd say one BB is still afloat near Wake and the subs will converge to try to polish off that work tomorrow. Other subs will head to Marcus to pick off any survivors of today's strikes.

CENT PAC: So, this was about what I was hoping for this turn. I had also hoped he would leave the CVEs to protect the invasion fleet, but no joy there.

Looks like a CL, two DE and about 3 APA, one AKA, two xAP and a few LCI that are sunk or in trouble.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 15, 42
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Sub attack near Wake Island at 132,91

Japanese Ships
SS I-2

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Lang

SS I-2 launches 4 torpedoes at BB West Virginia
DD Lang attacking submerged sub ....

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 133,91

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 92 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 16
A6M5b Zero x 36
A6M5c Zero x 7
D4Y1 Judy x 15
D4Y3 Judy x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y1 Judy: 2 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y3 Judy: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 16, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
11 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring an Allied BB

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Marcus Island at 123,85

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 41
A6M5c Zero x 14
B5N2 Kate x 10
B6N1 Jill x 26
B6N2 Jill x 16
D4Y3 Judy x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
B6N1 Jill: 2 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
xAP Santa Paula, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE Burden R. Hastings, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Concord, Torpedo hits 1
APA Barnett, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 3, on fire
xAP Maui, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 2
AKA Bellatrix, Bomb hits 1, on fire
APA Wharton, Torpedo hits 1
DE Wileman, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAP Santa Elena, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DE Gilmore
LCI-329, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
LCI-84, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
APA Callaway

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
8 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
10 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
2 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
10 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
9 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
7 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
7 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
1 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
7 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DE Burden R. Hastings
Massive explosion on DE Burden R. Hastings

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Marcus Island at 123,85

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 7
B6N2 Jill x 7
D4Y3 Judy x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Concord, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAP Santa Elena, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
LCI-62, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
APA President Monroe, Bomb hits 2, on fire
APA Henry T. Allen, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
5 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
9 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
6 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
2 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Detroit
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring APA President Monroe

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Eniwetok at 120,98

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 54
SBD-5 Dauntless x 33

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Susuki, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Minekaze, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Eniwetok at 120,98

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 54
SBD-5 Dauntless x 33

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
DD Susuki, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3802 troops, 170 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 217

Defending force 3714 troops, 54 guns, 26 vehicles, Assault Value = 109

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 87

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
349 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 8 (7 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
194th Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force

Defending units:
78th Naval Guard Unit
Sasebo 7th SNLF
62nd Nav Gd /1
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment
8th Armored Car Co
2nd South Seas Gsn
Det. 3rd Special Base Force /1
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The troops at Marcus are looking better today!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/26/2015 1:00:21 PM

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Nice work!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/26/2015 1:26:15 PM

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BANZAI!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/26/2015 1:49:42 PM

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On one hand great work!

On the other hand, Gosh, I hope it isn't another week or longer for a turn.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/26/2015 2:10:53 PM

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No actually, just got another one back, so hopefully we're on track again. Maybe it was only sudden loss of BB syndrome (SLBBS).

The next was nice and quiet. Almost eerily quiet.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/26/2015 3:19:39 PM

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16 October, 1943

SUBS: Strangely the subs in the area of the last B sighting found nothing. Search in this area ask found nothing. Not sure what is going on down there. Either the BBs all went under from the injuries or one actually was less beat up than it seemed. There were sinking sounds at the end of the night phase, but those could easily be from the ships around Marcus as well. I forgot to have a look at the air losses screen since there was no air combat.

I did get this in the ops report:

BB West Virginia determined to have been sunk on or about Oct, 15, 1943

BURMA: The situation here is fairly static, with a fw troops still aiming to flank the blocked position near Taung Gyi, but an IJA division is well dug in a hex beyond now and a few arty and AA units are also on the way. Tanks in Taung Gyi will race over if he does continue and add to the defenses.

Air strikes were meant to hit Ramree but were delayed by weather.

CENT PAC: The Allied CVs move back to within one hex of Marcus and none of our subs get a shot off against the Allied ships there. Hmmmmmm. Strange. I even had some night search going from a Jake group at Marcus, but no luck.

Our CVs are out of range of search now and show no DL, which is nice.

Not sure what the philosophy is on the continued landing of supply/troops at Marcus and forcing a shock attack each turn. If he's trying to kill of the troops in order to rebuild them elsewhere instead of attempt to rescue some of them, then it's working. Today a good number of Allied squads are destroyed and one unit is fully wide out, during the Japanese auto-bombardment no less!

SW PAC: The Aussies don't seem to be doing much on New Guinea, and our bombardment TFs pull back to Hollandia for now. He's moved one fighter group up to Lae, but I sense there isn't much of a push down here, at least not until the CVs are done with Marcus. By then I should have the reinforcements I want on North New Guinea.

ECON: I'm putting together a look at the R n D for the Empire. I'll have it up next.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 16, 42
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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4092 troops, 55 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Defending force 10834 troops, 261 guns, 307 vehicles, Assault Value = 200

Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
Sasebo 7th SNLF
78th Naval Guard Unit
2nd South Seas Gsn
8th Armored Car Co
62nd Naval Guard Unit
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Det. 3rd Special Base Force /1

Defending units:
194th Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3693 troops, 162 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 194

Defending force 4158 troops, 55 guns, 25 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 156

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
301 casualties reported
Squads: 71 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 33 (26 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force

Defending units:
2nd South Seas Gsn
8th Armored Car Co
Sasebo 7th SNLF
78th Naval Guard Unit
62nd Naval Guard Unit
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Det. 3rd Special Base Force /1

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All remaining Allied ships seem to stay in the Marcus hex and the midgets have no effect there. I recycled the TFs to see if that brings some life into them, but with the Allied search there now I doubt it.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/26/2015 3:35:43 PM

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Here is the research as it stands now. It feels like it's going well, but let me know if you guys notice any glaring oversights or overcommitments.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/26/2015 6:29:04 PM

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No actually, just got another one back, so hopefully we're on track again. Maybe it was only sudden loss of BB syndrome (SLBBS).

The next was nice and quiet. Almost eerily quiet.

It's not a real game unless you've lost 6+ of them as the Allies.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/26/2015 7:08:27 PM

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Are those Sam factories since the beginning?

Why not bounce the other size 30 Frank a factory to R? The A is so close you can practically taste it.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/27/2015 12:20:30 AM

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Are those Sam factories since the beginning?

Why not bounce the other size 30 Frank a factory to R? The A is so close you can practically taste it.

I'll let those go to production. I already bumped the other two to the 'r' a while ago. So now I'll get 85 a month unless I decide to build them further, which I'm sure I will. I's just so hard not to do that in spite of trying to conserve.

I might have started the Sam late, I can't remember now.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/27/2015 11:40:14 AM

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Good job Obvert. Heavy system damage and fire is bad news for the battleships. They are probably gone...

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/27/2015 12:16:18 PM

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Good job Obvert. Heavy system damage and fire is bad news for the battleships. They are probably gone...

I only confirmed three lost by FP lost on ground those turns, but it sure seems like the other one couldn't have disappeared so fast after 16 bomb hits the last day!

He's most likely lost 11-12 BBs now, including all of the R class and the North Carolina.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/27/2015 4:11:14 PM

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17 October, 1943

SUBS: The Apogon takes 4 hits near Miri. Our subs do nothing again, but we lose one midget at Marcus.

The midget driver gets a good report out on the Allied TFs before going down with the boat, and damn Allied damage control anyway! Lots still left afloat here from the strike, but some show heavy damage so may not be long for this world if they attempt an escape. I've also set up a surprise for the next turn.

BURMA: Ramree is bombed, putting a bunch of hits on the base in spite of thunderstorms. No other developments here. usually he has a flurry of action in the air, then nothing for weeks.

This is one of the nothing periods when the pools are replenishing and 4Es getting patched I think. We're managing to do some upgrades though, so no worries. The CAP will be even tougher when he comes back as Tojos convert to the IIc model and a full Jack group is filled out. Oscars will upgrade to the much improved IIIa model soon, and Franks are right around the corner.

CENT PAC: The Allies try a strike against the troops at Marcus again and continue to land (and shock) which destroys another 143 Allied devices. I think I know what he's doing here now. He's most like trying to reduce troop numbers without pulling the units, just killing off the wounded, basically, while letting the more capable troops rest and prepare for a later attack. Although the attacking numbers show only 3,553 troops, the total number in the Japanese bombardment is 10,687. It's not many now though after landing 22k earlier.

This still seems like it won't work well, but I could be wrong. It'll be hard to get troops to recover here, still overstacked. His AV before the adjustment is still going down, not up, every turn.

I don't like that there are still so many ships here floating that we hit, and that my subs are doing nothing about it. I've got 6 midgets and four subs in the hex now, but tomorrow another surprise will show itself, hopefully. Stay tuned.

SW PAC: Sweeps go over Saidor perfectly, drawing up the LR CAP and knocking them down with no radar to guide them together to the attackers. Then after the Corsairs are cleared Helens do some damage again on the base, getting a very welcome 25 airbase supply hits!

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 17, 42
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ASW attack near Marcus Island at 123,85

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-30, hits 11, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Concord
CL Detroit
CL Raleigh
SC-632
SC-519
AM Whippoorwill
AM Robin
AM Penguin
APA Callaway
APA Arthur Middleton
APA President Adams
APA President Jackson
APA Barnett
APA Henry T. Allen, heavy damage
APA Harris
APA Wharton
AKA Bellatrix
LCI-335
LCI-333
LCI-75
LCI-63
LCI-21
xAP Santa Elena, heavy damage
xAP Mariposa
DE Wileman
DE LeHardy
DE Gilmore

SSX Ha-30 is sighted by escort
DE Wileman fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE LeHardy fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Gilmore attacking submerged sub ....
Underwater explosion, debris and oil appear on surface!
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on Saidor , at 99,124

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 40

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Saidor , at 99,124

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 13

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 27

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-44-IIc Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Ramree Island , at 54,48

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 27
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 11 damaged

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 56

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
24 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Saidor , at 99,124

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 25
Runway hits 43

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 62nd Naval Guard Unit, at 123,85 (Marcus Island)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 8
F6F-3 Hellcat x 219
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 26
SBD-5 Dauntless x 194
TBF-1 Avenger x 240

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 5 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 8 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 11 (5 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
18 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3553 troops, 141 guns, 99 vehicles, Assault Value = 192

Defending force 4023 troops, 51 guns, 27 vehicles, Assault Value = 117

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 49

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Allied ground losses:
571 casualties reported
Squads: 75 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 29 (29 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (13 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
25th Infantry Division
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force

Defending units:
8th Armored Car Co
2nd South Seas Gsn
78th Naval Guard Unit
Sasebo 7th SNLF
62nd Naval Guard Unit
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Det. 3rd Special Base Force /1

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Two very important things are in this air losses report. One, but least important, is that Corsairs can't be Corsairs if they're on the defensive with no radar help and in small numbers. The A6M5 group that won the sweeps today is nothing special, so that bodes well for the future.

The second and most important thing is more subtle. Have a look at the Hellcat losses. This is from a turn where they flew three hexes on an escort mission against NO opposition.

They are wearing down. If we do have to go toe to toe, those fighters are not going to be in good shape. He needs to pull back and rest, but will he, and do I dare push to a confrontation to put them to the test?

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18 - 19 October, 1943

SUBS: Still no luck near Marcus. Setting new patrols daily.

BURMA: Kept sweeps going a day too long at Akyab as a big LR CAP wiped out about 20 Tojos. Thanks to the armor only 4 pilots were KIA.

CENT PAC: My surprise was two fold at Marcus. Only one element arrived, which was the Rufe's defending the troops here. They couldn't of course stop the massive strike that arrived, but they did take a small tithe from the attackers. That and they made the Allies think twice about hitting here on a milk run, resulting in no bombing of the troops on the 19th.

These attacks have been extremely effective, and our troops are experiencing high disruption and the AV total drop about 10 points with each strike. Luckily he'll run out of sorties soon! The Allied shock attacks continue to be a VP point factory, resulting in 86 destroyed devices on the 18th and 98 devices on the 19th. His total troops are holding at around 10k.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 18, 42
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Morning Air attack on Saidor , at 99,124

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 36

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 31000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 11
F4U-1 Corsair x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-44-IIc Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
VMF-217 with F4U-1 Corsair (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Raid is overhead
VMF-225 with F4U-1 Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
No.75 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 37000 , scrambling fighters to 37000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Det. 3rd Special Base Force, at 123,85 (Marcus Island)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 18

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 8
F6F-3 Hellcat x 217
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 26
SBD-5 Dauntless x 191
TBF-1 Avenger x 240

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 4 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 10 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
309 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 17 (7 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 18 (4 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3791 troops, 46 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 117

Defending force 10424 troops, 212 guns, 281 vehicles, Assault Value = 184

Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
78th Naval Guard Unit
Sasebo 7th SNLF
8th Armored Car Co
2nd South Seas Gsn
62nd Naval Guard Unit
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Kwajalein Base Force /1

Defending units:
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force
25th Infantry Division

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3306 troops, 114 guns, 87 vehicles, Assault Value = 179

Defending force 4393 troops, 55 guns, 25 vehicles, Assault Value = 117

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 43

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
326 casualties reported
Squads: 28 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 29 (29 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (5 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
146th USA Base Force
143rd USA Base Force
25th Infantry Division

Defending units:
Sasebo 7th SNLF
2nd South Seas Gsn
8th Armored Car Co
78th Naval Guard Unit
62nd Naval Guard Unit
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Kwajalein Base Force /1

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 18, 42
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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 53
F6F-3 Hellcat x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3512 troops, 48 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 112

Defending force 10310 troops, 187 guns, 275 vehicles, Assault Value = 180

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
78th Naval Guard Unit
8th Armored Car Co
Sasebo 7th SNLF
62nd Naval Guard Unit
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd South Seas Gsn
Kwajalein Base Force

Defending units:
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
146th USA Base Force
143rd USA Base Force
25th Infantry Division

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3218 troops, 90 guns, 86 vehicles, Assault Value = 180

Defending force 4271 troops, 57 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 112

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 73

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
376 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 40 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 26 (26 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 19 (12 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force
25th Infantry Division

Defending units:
78th Naval Guard Unit
8th Armored Car Co
Sasebo 7th SNLF
62nd Naval Guard Unit
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd South Seas Gsn
Kwajalein Base Force

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On the day we lose 5 Rufes for a reported 4 Avengers. A few more Allied planes are lost to ops again. Love the detail of the SBD firing on the Rufe as those dive to the lower TBFs.

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Obvert-

Did the KB escape?

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ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

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Did the KB escape?

Yes. The KB is happily many hexes away and getting some needed rest before the next phase of resistance. He's running out of sorties I think and so I was thinking I might want to be ready to hit a retreat if it happened, but I think it's more prudent to let the other forces bleed what they can and get the KB to optimum condition and upgraded as much as possible. I can add some D4Y3 and A6M5b plus hopefully get enough Jills to upgrade the last of the Kates from the KB.

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20 October, 1943

SUBS: At last!!!

The I-158 nails the smallest and slowest of the Allied CVEs, the Long Island, near Marcus. I'll take it! It went down like a rock after two ammo explosions and a fuel explosion. On board it looks like there was a Hurri Ib group of 25 planes which are show as 'lost on the ground.' Nice!

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Sub attack near Marcus Island at 126,87

Japanese Ships
SS I-158, hits 6

Allied Ships
CVE Long Island, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Minneapolis
CLAA Prince Robert
DD Cassin
DD Flusser
DD Allen
DD Farragut
DD Porter
DD Downes

Fuel storage explosion on CVE Long Island
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Long Island
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Long Island
SS I-158 launches 6 torpedoes at CVE Long Island
DD Allen fails to find sub and abandons search

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20 October, 1943

CENT PAC: The other portion of the surprise at Marcus also finally works after two frustrating days of no flights from these guys. Only portions of the two groups of Jakes here fly, probably due to the poor state of the base, but at least they do get some hits on an APA and a CL that had already been damaged. Even little bombs start fires, but also these strikes force the ships to all go to flank and react, hopefully adding damage even to the ones not hit in the strikes that are shown as heavy damage in the midget sub attacks.

APA Wharton had taken a torp from the CV planes, and is now show as sunk, but I'm not positive yet about that. At least 3 out of the 4 hits were penetrating here.
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Marcus Island at 123,85

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 3 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Concord, Bomb hits 3
APA Wharton, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
CL Detroit

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x E13A1 Jake bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
6 x E13A1 Jake bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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All of the hits on the Concord were bouncers, but one took out a 6 inch gun. It showed some smoke before the hits, but nothing serious.

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Marcus keeps getting more expensive each day! Good work!

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20 October, 1943

CENT PAC: Attacks by the Allied CV planes again resume and really pummel the troops. The Allied shock again destroys a few devices though and the AV there is still 0.

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Afternoon Air attack on Kwajalein Base Force, at 123,85 (Marcus Island)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 2

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 216
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 27
SBD-5 Dauntless x 159
TBF-1 Avenger x 185

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 2 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 7 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
430 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 58 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 29 (20 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 2817 troops, 70 guns, 75 vehicles, Assault Value = 179

Defending force 3885 troops, 57 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 93

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 62

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Allied ground losses:
256 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (5 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
146th USA Base Force
143rd USA Base Force
25th Infantry Division

Defending units:
Sasebo 7th SNLF
78th Naval Guard Unit
62nd Naval Guard Unit
2nd South Seas Gsn
Kwajalein Base Force

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