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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/27/2015 11:58:03 AM   
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TOE is great but I can't do it without new dawn.
I tried it with other scenarios (NEW_WAW_PUBLIC_BETA) but when it is implemented to scenario it works only during my turn.
When it's AI turn - it's CTD. Always.

PS: Another issue: is there a way to let TOE not change units names? I like historical names, but it removed them to 1st MODEL NAME.


for the moment this feature is only for New Dawn v3 games.

Feel free to copy and paste the CTD detailed text though.

best wishes,
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All right. I tried it again with other scenarios. It seems that only rulevar 344 (show the 'historical units' using TOE models) makes problems.
Without it I've managed to get it to work.

1. What about names of units?
2. Did it auto-reinforce from direct parent HQ or any other HQ up to Supreme HQ?

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/27/2015 12:19:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reinforcements flow through the chain of command: SHQ -> "Front" HQ -> "Army" HQ -> Unit. If an "Army" HQ is receiving reinforcements directly from a city/factory then it will flow from there to the unit. Be careful of the auto return feature. If you exceed the limits you set for the unit template, the excess flows back up the chain unless you turn off this feature.

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2. Did it auto-reinforce from direct parent HQ or any other HQ up to Supreme HQ?




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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20g : TOEs and auto-reinfo... - 5/27/2015 2:36:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am absolutely drooling for this, but since I run AT through Steam I can't give it a go yet ...
Any idea on a time frame for a Steam-friendly release?

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20g : TOEs and auto-reinfo... - 5/27/2015 2:46:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've spoken to Vic about when this will become an official patch. It seems that there needs to be more testing before it can become that. He gave me an estimate of maybe 8-10 days, maybe more.

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20g : TOEs and auto-reinfo... - 5/27/2015 2:49:23 PM   
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So eager with antici .............. PATION!!

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/27/2015 6:08:59 PM   
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If you manually installed the files/folders in the correct locations, just hit cancel or select 0 and the main screen should load with an option to use the anewdawn3 file.

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I DLed the file in the OP and when I start ATG these are the options I have that I can load. Which one should I load? So far I can't get the counters to appear in the TOE chooser.







Ah, thanks. It's working now.

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/27/2015 8:12:16 PM   
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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/27/2015 8:19:41 PM   
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One thing that might be a bug I just noticed. Auto reinforce doesn't seem to work for Mercenaries. I created a type of unit that uses mercenaries and set a unit to that type and even though my  HQ has 120 Mercenaries in it right now it did not send any to the new unit I created which requires them in its TO&E. I'm playing new dawn and added a mercenary base to a scenario.

Thanks.

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/27/2015 8:32:47 PM   
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Hi Vic,

One thing that might be a bug I just noticed. Auto reinforce doesn't seem to work for Mercenaries. I created a type of unit that uses mercenaries and set a unit to that type and even though my  HQ has 120 Mercenaries in it right now it did not send any to the new unit I created which requires them in its TO&E. I'm playing new dawn and added a mercenary base to a scenario.

Thanks.



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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/27/2015 8:41:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		One other thing, I have some HQs underneath the supreme HQ. It would be cool if the supreme HQ would provide any extra staff it has, up to the point where subordinate HQs are 100% staffed.

Having a blast with this new feature, though. Thanks again!

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/27/2015 8:42:14 PM   
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I thought mercenaries were only usable by the African people group.

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Hi Vic,

One thing that might be a bug I just noticed. Auto reinforce doesn't seem to work for Mercenaries. I created a type of unit that uses mercenaries and set a unit to that type and even though my  HQ has 120 Mercenaries in it right now it did not send any to the new unit I created which requires them in its TO&E. I'm playing new dawn and added a mercenary base to a scenario.

Thanks.




If you pre-place a Mercenary base on the map it will produce Mercenaries for you.

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/27/2015 8:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Never mind. I found the problem with the Mercenaries. I had the people set wrong in the TOE template, should have been "Neutrals" instead of "Germans" (which is the people I'm playing).

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/27/2015 11:25:53 PM   
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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/28/2015 9:02:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		It´s been a long time the last time I played ATG. I must say the AI (land combat) is much better than before.

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/28/2015 9:04:49 AM   
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One other thing, I have some HQs underneath the supreme HQ. It would be cool if the supreme HQ would provide any extra staff it has, up to the point where subordinate HQs are 100% staffed.

Having a blast with this new feature, though. Thanks again!


This should be standard behaviour if your (underneath) HQ is set to a TOE Model and that TOE Model includes at least 1 quantity of staff.

best wishes,
Vic

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/28/2015 9:07:36 AM   
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Screenshot says it best...





thanks for the screenshot. Used it for a tweet :)


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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/28/2015 9:43:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another idea for the to-do list: Default formations. Specially useful for newbies. One of them could be the classic platoon 15 rifle+5 Smg+2 machine gun+1 mortar. S

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/29/2015 1:47:49 PM   
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Another idea for the to-do list: Default formations. Specially useful for newbies. One of them could be the classic platoon 15 rifle+5 Smg+2 machine gun+1 mortar. S






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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/29/2015 2:12:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Web, I´m very happy with the progress Advanced Tactics is taking. Vic is really open minded, he loves to listen to everyone. And that´s absolutely innusual in the game business.

Step by step ATG has become one of the best wargames of all times!! And still it´s possible to improve...

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/29/2015 5:50:29 PM   
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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/29/2015 6:45:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've played 2-3 dozens turns in my 2.20m test game. Have not noted any additional bugs as yet. I have found as my TO&E list gets long that I could have a two column list so I didn't have to scroll as much. Not a biggie however. Another idea is three buttons for selecting land, air or naval lists, with land the default.

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Any more bugs found guys?



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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/30/2015 3:11:44 AM   
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there is one bug which has been hanging around for a long time, this is the surrender bug. This bug happens when you program regimes to awaken when war is declared against them and then they surrender after being defeated. The regime in question is still playable not put back to sleep. Thanks

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/30/2015 8:25:01 AM   
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Vic
there is one bug which has been hanging around for a long time, this is the surrender bug. This bug happens when you program regimes to awaken when war is declared against them and then they surrender after being defeated. The regime in question is still playable not put back to sleep. Thanks

I don´t think this is a bug, rather it is a consquence of not knowing when a regime in actuallity is defeated. So unless you can flawlessly define when that is, I don´t think that there will be a patch with this "fix".

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/30/2015 10:07:28 AM   
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If AI was able to use (default) formations in combat, SP games would be more challenging.

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/30/2015 12:31:45 PM   
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Question: I'm trying to create an HQ that will both, automatically draw just enough staff from the main HQ to reach 100% AND I want the HQ to accumulate all my industrial production, except staff, so that it can supply all its subordinate units with reinforcements. Is there a way to set this up? 

Thanks.

EDIT: Never mind I figured it out. Just set the HQ with "return=no" set. Vic is a genius!

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20 Leo - 5/30/2015 4:32:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		TO&E Templates

This TO&E feature is the single best addition to ATG since its release in 2011. I'd rank armor models in the #2 position and Officers as #3. Cavalry and the Jeep unit were minor additions early on.

These are the basic templates I think most players would want to create in a standard random game. There is room, of course, for lots of specialization. I have created Garrison templates for manning behind the lines locations and Assault Infantry templates for powerful attacking units (think SS, NKVD, Guards, etc.) What is not shown here is the quantity of individual components (SFTs) in each template. I'm sure there will be some discussion around the best mix and quantity. Stacking penalties will put a limit on unit size.

Land Force
HQ (Corps or Army)
Infantry (rifle, MG, Mortar minimum)
Paratrooper
Cavalry
Engineer
Armor (tank, armored car, infantry)
Armored Recon (armored car + infantry)
Anti-tank (AT gun + infantry)
105 Arty (artillery)
155 Arty (heavy artillery)
Flak

Air Force
Fighter
DiveBomber
LevelBomber
StratBomber
CV Fighter
Torpedo
Transporter

Naval Force
Battle Sqdn (BB, CA, DD)
Carrier Sqdn (CV, CA, DD)
Sub Sqdn (SS)
DD Sqdn (DD)
CargoShip

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/30/2015 5:10:39 PM   
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I've played 2-3 dozens turns in my 2.20m test game. Have not noted any additional bugs as yet. I have found as my TO&E list gets long that I could have a two column list so I didn't have to scroll as much. Not a biggie however. Another idea is three buttons for selecting land, air or naval lists, with land the default.

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Any more bugs found guys?



The new editor could use this split in land, naval and air formations too. In fact, it could use a regime split too. At the moment making OOBs & TO&Es for 5 regimes seems a bit daunting.

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/30/2015 10:15:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Webizen
I've played 2-3 dozens turns in my 2.20m test game. Have not noted any additional bugs as yet. I have found as my TO&E list gets long that I could have a two column list so I didn't have to scroll as much. Not a biggie however. Another idea is three buttons for selecting land, air or naval lists, with land the default.

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ORIGINAL: Vic

Any more bugs found guys?



The new editor could use this split in land, naval and air formations too. In fact, it could use a regime split too. At the moment making OOBs & TO&Es for 5 regimes seems a bit daunting.



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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/30/2015 11:13:38 PM   
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I'd definitely like to eventually see an air, land and sea tab in the TO&E designer.



Me too!!

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RE: Private beta test ATG v2.20m - 5/31/2015 7:37:29 AM   
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just a little question from my side if it is allowed.

I only own this game on steam. The current steam version ist 2.20c. And today i've read here that there is a 2.20m(beta) with a very nice tool TO&E which enriches the game experience very much (as i could read in the thread). Will this feature (and version) will find its way to steam?

Many thanks in advance for your answer(s).

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