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RE: European Championships - 7/18/2015 10:21:36 PM

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What I do not understand is why the players you consider rubbish are worth so much money.

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RE: European Championships - 7/18/2015 10:28:03 PM

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What I do not understand is why the players you consider rubbish are worth so much money.

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Everything is relative. For example we have lost about �3m on Capoue and about three times that on Paulinho.

If you had seen Paulinho last year for Spurs or at the World Cup for Brazil (where in one game he was substituted having touched the ball the least of any player (including one of the goalkeepers!)) then I am amazed we were able to get ANY fee at all.....

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RE: European Championships - 7/19/2015 6:47:12 AM

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The difference between male and female, football and rugby, is captured here. After watching it I realize that I need to watch more Rugby.

https://twitter.com/leugimfigueroa/status/615970465958490112

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RE: European Championships - 7/21/2015 7:57:10 PM

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Good to see we are clearing out some of the dead wood and players who are no longer good enough

So far have dispensed with:

Capoue
Paulinho
Kaboul

Still more to go I hope - Soldado, Fazio, Stambouli, Adebayor.....

What do Liverpool fans think of the Sterling transfer saga?

warspite1

To paraphrase a famous naval aviator "scratch one Stambouli"

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RE: European Championships - 7/25/2015 4:21:53 AM

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The World Cup Qualifying draw takes place today. Here are England's dream and nightmare draw scenarios:

England, Iceland, Albania, Faroe Islands, Moldova, Andorra - NICE

England, Italy, Sweden, Turkey, Finland, Kazakhstan - Er.... not good

Let's hope the latter doesn't come to pass - that would be a tough ask...

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RE: European Championships - 7/25/2015 5:27:57 PM

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Norway, San Marino, Aserbadjan, Northern Ireland, Czech Republic and Germany.

Hopefully we will manage 2 wins, but I would not take it for granted, anyway, we are NOT going to the World Cup (nor do we deserve to)

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RE: European Championships - 7/26/2015 6:35:24 AM

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Oohhh that's a tough one for Norway.

England have got off lightly, avoiding the likes of Italy and France (although Scotland will be a derby and can NEVER be taken for granted). Scotland too will I suspect be not unhappy with this.

Group F: ENGLAND, Slovakia, SCOTLAND, Slovenia, Lithuania, Malta

Wales look like they have a real chance of qualifying from Group D

Group D: WALES, Austria, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Moldova, Georgia

But I don't fancy Northern Ireland's much - same as Norway...

Group C: Germany, Czech Republic, NORTHERN IRELAND, Norway, Azerbaijan, San Marino

Looks like Group A is the Group of death.....

Group A: Netherlands, France, Sweden, Bulgaria, Belarus, Luxembourg

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RE: European Championships - 7/26/2015 9:04:10 AM

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Sweden really need to stop playing "friendly" matches against good teams. It hurts our rating to much and hence gives us tougher opposition in the qualifications.

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RE: European Championships - 7/26/2015 9:09:34 AM

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Sweden really need to stop playing "friendly" matches against good teams. It hurts our rating to much and hence gives us tougher opposition in the qualifications.

warspite1

I didn't realise those meaningless rankings counted... I thought it was all done on co-efficients from previous World and European qualifying campaigns.

World Ranking positions are totally useless - and so unfair.

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RE: European Championships - 7/26/2015 10:58:31 AM

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Sweden really need to stop playing "friendly" matches against good teams. It hurts our rating to much and hence gives us tougher opposition in the qualifications.

warspite1

I didn't realise those meaningless rankings counted... I thought it was all done on co-efficients from previous World and European qualifying campaigns.

World Ranking positions are totally useless - and so unfair.

Friendlies count, but less so than "official" matches.

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RE: European Championships - 7/26/2015 10:59:49 AM

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Oohhh that's a tough one for Norway.

Norway, San Marino, Luxembourg, Israel, Iceland, Malta
would have been though for Norway. We suck, easy as that

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RE: European Championships - 7/26/2015 12:35:59 PM

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Sweden really need to stop playing "friendly" matches against good teams. It hurts our rating to much and hence gives us tougher opposition in the qualifications.

warspite1

I didn't realise those meaningless rankings counted... I thought it was all done on co-efficients from previous World and European qualifying campaigns.

World Ranking positions are totally useless - and so unfair.

Friendlies count, but less so than "official" matches.

That friendlies count less is, in my humble opinion, not entirely the truth. Losing matches hurt a lot. Even losing friendly matches. Beating weak teams in friendly matches gives more points than losing to great teams in World Cup matches. And getting draw results in difficult, important, away matches does not give you much more than winning a friendly match, at home, against a weaker team.

Playing a draw, away, against France in a World Cup Qualification match gives less points than winning, at home, in a friendly game against Albania.

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For Example:

Sweden play two World Cup Qualification matches away against Germany and France and draws both those matches. Then Sweden sends their development squad to play two friendly matches away against Spain and Portugal and they loose both those matches.

Germany (1-1) 490 points, France (2-2) 451 points, Spain (3-2) 0 points, Portugal (1-0) 0 points -> Which would give Sweden 235 points ((490+451+0+0)/4).

Meanwhile Italy invites 4 weaker teams for a friendly tournament at their home field and win all 4 matches with 1-0.

Albania 487, Faeroe Islands 374, Cyprus 342, Estonia 350 -> Which would give Italy 388 points.

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RE: European Championships - 7/26/2015 6:07:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

Sweden really need to stop playing "friendly" matches against good teams. It hurts our rating to much and hence gives us tougher opposition in the qualifications.

warspite1

I didn't realise those meaningless rankings counted... I thought it was all done on co-efficients from previous World and European qualifying campaigns.

World Ranking positions are totally useless - and so unfair.

Friendlies count, but less so than "official" matches.

That friendlies count less is, in my humble opinion, not entirely the truth. Losing matches hurt a lot. Even losing friendly matches. Beating weak teams in friendly matches gives more points than losing to great teams in World Cup matches. And getting draw results in difficult, important, away matches does not give you much more than winning a friendly match, at home, against a weaker team.

Playing a draw, away, against France in a World Cup Qualification match gives less points than winning, at home, in a friendly game against Albania.

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For Example:

Sweden play two World Cup Qualification matches away against Germany and France and draws both those matches. Then Sweden sends their development squad to play two friendly matches away against Spain and Portugal and they loose both those matches.

Germany (1-1) 490 points, France (2-2) 451 points, Spain (3-2) 0 points, Portugal (1-0) 0 points -> Which would give Sweden 235 points ((490+451+0+0)/4).

Meanwhile Italy invites 4 weaker teams for a friendly tournament at their home field and win all 4 matches with 1-0.

Albania 487, Faeroe Islands 374, Cyprus 342, Estonia 350 -> Which would give Italy 388 points.

warspite1

What a cobblers scoring system....

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RE: European Championships - 7/30/2015 7:31:07 PM

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Good to see we are clearing out some of the dead wood and players who are no longer good enough

So far have dispensed with:

Capoue
Paulinho
Kaboul

Still more to go I hope - Soldado, Fazio, Stambouli, Adebayor.....

What do Liverpool fans think of the Sterling transfer saga?

warspite1

To paraphrase a famous naval aviator "scratch one Stambouli"

warspite1

...and now Vlad Chiriches is off and Adebayor likely (although I will believe that only when it's done).

Good stuff - keep clearing out the dead wood please

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RE: European Championships - 7/31/2015 2:53:11 PM

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Good to see we are clearing out some of the dead wood and players who are no longer good enough

So far have dispensed with:

Capoue
Paulinho
Kaboul

Still more to go I hope - Soldado, Fazio, Stambouli, Adebayor.....

What do Liverpool fans think of the Sterling transfer saga?

warspite1

To paraphrase a famous naval aviator "scratch one Stambouli"

warspite1

...and now Vlad Chiriches is off and Adebayor likely (although I will believe that only when it's done).

Good stuff - keep clearing out the dead wood please

And "Super"-Mario told he is not wanted. Well spent use of the Suarez money...

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RE: European Championships - 7/31/2015 5:25:10 PM

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Good to see we are clearing out some of the dead wood and players who are no longer good enough

So far have dispensed with:

Capoue
Paulinho
Kaboul

Still more to go I hope - Soldado, Fazio, Stambouli, Adebayor.....

What do Liverpool fans think of the Sterling transfer saga?

warspite1

To paraphrase a famous naval aviator "scratch one Stambouli"

warspite1

...and now Vlad Chiriches is off and Adebayor likely (although I will believe that only when it's done).

Good stuff - keep clearing out the dead wood please

And "Super"-Mario told he is not wanted. Well spent use of the Suarez money...

warspite1

Spurs and Liverpool were obviously involved in their own little competition. I know, if we sell Suarez and you sell Bale, let's see who can make the biggest balls-up with any money we raise......

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RE: European Championships - 7/31/2015 10:16:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Good to see we are clearing out some of the dead wood and players who are no longer good enough

So far have dispensed with:

Capoue
Paulinho
Kaboul

Still more to go I hope - Soldado, Fazio, Stambouli, Adebayor.....

What do Liverpool fans think of the Sterling transfer saga?

warspite1

To paraphrase a famous naval aviator "scratch one Stambouli"

warspite1

...and now Vlad Chiriches is off and Adebayor likely (although I will believe that only when it's done).

Good stuff - keep clearing out the dead wood please

And "Super"-Mario told he is not wanted. Well spent use of the Suarez money...

warspite1

Spurs and Liverpool were obviously involved in their own little competition. I know, if we sell Suarez and you sell Bale, let's see who can make the biggest balls-up with any money we raise......

Lampert gone, another one of the Suarez-money players...

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RE: European Championships - 8/1/2015 7:11:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Good to see we are clearing out some of the dead wood and players who are no longer good enough

So far have dispensed with:

Capoue
Paulinho
Kaboul

Still more to go I hope - Soldado, Fazio, Stambouli, Adebayor.....

What do Liverpool fans think of the Sterling transfer saga?

warspite1

To paraphrase a famous naval aviator "scratch one Stambouli"

warspite1

...and now Vlad Chiriches is off and Adebayor likely (although I will believe that only when it's done).

Good stuff - keep clearing out the dead wood please

And "Super"-Mario told he is not wanted. Well spent use of the Suarez money...

warspite1

Spurs and Liverpool were obviously involved in their own little competition. I know, if we sell Suarez and you sell Bale, let's see who can make the biggest balls-up with any money we raise......

Lampert gone, another one of the Suarez-money players...

warspite1

Indeed - his dream move never really worked out for the guy. Shame but at least he can say he was a Liverpool and England player - and who would have thought that possible just a few years ago.

At least Liverpool have bought a striker to replace him (and a much better swap too) but Spurs do not seem to know what to do with their strikers or getting replacements. Adebayor still hangs around like a bad smell and Soldado can't seem to find a buyer. There's only a week to go!! unless we are going to wait for the transfer deadline with all the risks that entails.....

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RE: European Championships - 8/1/2015 9:08:33 AM

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Indeed - his dream move never really worked out for the guy. Shame but at least he can say he was a Liverpool and England player - and who would have thought that possible just a few years ago.

At least Liverpool have bought a striker to replace him (and a much better swap too) but Spurs do not seem to know what to do with their strikers or getting replacements. Adebayor still hangs around like a bad smell and Soldado can't seem to find a buyer. There's only a week to go!! unless we are going to wait for the transfer deadline with all the risks that entails.....

Yeah, Spurs do need atleast one quality striker, however Liverpool desperately needs that one superb central defender that can tie the defensive line together. The past seasons they have conceeded far too many goals, and in the end it has lost them alot of points. When we had SAS on top, it did not matter if we conceeded 3, as they scored 5, but now...
I still see Spurs ahead of Liverpool tbh, seems Spurs have (atleast had last season) better work ethics in the squad.

City, Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal, are the big 4, and then there are now a few teams fighting for the places behind them. Oh well, atleast Liverpool has not gone completely the same way as teams like Forest, Leeds and Blackburn....Yet...

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RE: European Championships - 8/1/2015 9:03:19 PM

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Just gotten home from a Hannover 96 vs Sunderland AFC. Hannover lost 0:1 . It seems that Hannover will have a long hard struggle in the next season. 14 days away. The DFB Pokal starts next week, so crossing my fingers that they might win against a lower divisional team and get through to the next round.

Sunderland's fans were quite loud with their singing, might have been a few hundred but it did feel like thousands. They deserved the win, although Hannover did get a penalty in the 90th min. But shot badly and their keeper, who must be something like 2,5m saved it with ease.

Mat

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RE: European Championships - 8/2/2015 7:30:10 AM

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Just gotten home from a Hannover 96 vs Sunderland AFC. Hannover lost 0:1 . It seems that Hannover will have a long hard struggle in the next season. 14 days away. The DFB Pokal starts next week, so crossing my fingers that they might win against a lower divisional team and get through to the next round.

Sunderland's fans were quite loud with their singing, might have been a few hundred but it did feel like thousands. They deserved the win, although Hannover did get a penalty in the 90th min. But shot badly and their keeper, who must be something like 2,5m saved it with ease.

Mat

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Yes, Sunderland fans are a noisy bunch! Very loyal to their team through thick and (largely) thin.

Good luck in the cup!

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RE: European Championships - 8/2/2015 3:06:56 PM

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From yesterdays play, we need plenty of luck.

Thanks.

Mat

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RE: European Championships - 8/2/2015 7:01:10 PM

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Arsenal's form and squad look distinctly worrying....

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RE: European Championships - 8/8/2015 5:29:48 AM

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Well the footie season has come round pretty quick - maybe starting a bit earlier because of the Euros?

Anyway, the new season brings the usual hopes and (mostly) fears for the coming nine months.

Let's have some predictions:

Champions: Chelsea or Arsenal - I'll plump for Chelsea
Relegated: Watford, Bournemouth and the third one is tough. Norwich to survive and Sunderland or Newcastle for the drop. I'll go with the Black Cats.
FA Cup: Arsenal
League Cup: Southampton

First manager sacked: Steve McLaren

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RE: European Championships - 8/8/2015 11:22:14 AM

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Worst dive ever?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/babb/11779971/Swedish-defender-commits-crime-against-football-with-hilarious-dive.html

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RE: European Championships - 8/8/2015 1:50:36 PM

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Worst dive ever?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/babb/11779971/Swedish-defender-commits-crime-against-football-with-hilarious-dive.html

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Not the most sporting piece of play I have ever seen....

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RE: European Championships - 8/9/2015 5:25:04 AM

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I'm a fan of the German football and of course I hope they will win next euro

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RE: European Championships - 8/9/2015 9:51:18 AM

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Well the footie season has come round pretty quick - maybe starting a bit earlier because of the Euros?

Anyway, the new season brings the usual hopes and (mostly) fears for the coming nine months.

Let's have some predictions:

Champions: Chelsea or Arsenal - I'll plump for Chelsea
Relegated: Watford, Bournemouth and the third one is tough. Norwich to survive and Sunderland or Newcastle for the drop. I'll go with the Black Cats.
FA Cup: Arsenal
League Cup: Southampton

First manager sacked: Steve McLaren

Champions : Arsenal. I really think this might be their year. I think Chelsea, City and UTD will follow in that order.
Relegation : Watford, Swansea, Norwich
FA Cup : City
Leage Cup : Let us face it, this one is always wide open as it is not really cared for, but I'll say Palace just to say something.
First manager sacked : sadly, Brendan Rodgers

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RE: European Championships - 8/10/2015 5:21:30 PM

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Wow - football must be taking off in the US. The Americans have copied European mindless violence around matches.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11793779/Ugly-side-of-football-shows-its-face-in-the-US.html

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RE: European Championships - 8/13/2015 11:51:28 AM

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The worst part of the season has arrived. I am feeling especially anxious this year.

The Swedish transfer window is now closed. That means we are not allowed to buy new players but we can still sell players to countries with their window still open.

And my team can not afford to say no to any serious offer. So this is the time of year that that can spoil the remainder of the season.

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