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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/28/2015 11:25:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Were these (mortars and recoilless guns) actually widespread practices?
If they are it might be a reason to have them as an infantry unit in which case it would be nice to have a new graphic for them with the mortar, sorta like the HW version of the infantry currently so that you can distinguish them from the scout motorcyclists.
But I still think the German Kradschützen and other nation`s motorcyclists (currently we have them for France and Romania too) would be better off as a recon than regular infantry.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/28/2015 12:17:29 PM   
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On a different topic. I`d like to get your opinion since I was trying for some time to form my own on this subject. I guess it depends alot on the scale of the scenario (if units represent brigades and divisions or companies and battalions), but still, do you think it`s ok to have the motorcyclists in the infantry class (being able to dismount)?



in fact it is a very complex issue
armies of different countries used them in different ways

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I was thinking that in reality these guys were actually small reconnaissance and liaison units that were not meant to dig in and hold a city against tanks, like regular infantry do. Also, unless you know better, they would not have heavy weapons (artillery, at or aa guns) so they could dismount easily and hence there`s not really a need for a switch button.



it is more typical for the Wehrmacht
in the Red Army were motorcycle regiments, which were included in the tank corps.
These regiments were serious combat unit. These regiments consisted of light tanks, armored cars and other various parts of the gain (as gas-67 with MG or rocket launcher).

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Plus, their rapid movement is better reflected in the recon class where they can move more than once. Basically I think they get too much of a bonus as an infantry and that the recon class would be more suitable for them. Your thoughts?



But of course you are right in what they perform scouting function, primarily. So the recon class would be more suitable for them.


But I just significantly increased the price of hiring, and made both options

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/28/2015 12:22:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Soviet Motorcycle Regiment (state № 010/433) consisted of:
shelf management
motorcycle battalion
antitank battalion (45-mm AT-Gun, transport GAZ-67)
a tank company
mortar company (mortars on motorcycles)
machine-gun company (MG on GAZ-67 or Willis-Jip)
an armored car company
provision

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/28/2015 12:33:01 PM   
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Were these (mortars and recoilless guns) actually widespread practices?



Motorcycle with mortar actively used in combat operations

And as for motorcycle with a gun, I am not sure
It Airborne Gun
It was adopted in the paratrooper

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/28/2015 12:38:32 PM   
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It regards theatres
I also think that there may be many pitfalls
This is a very time-consuming work. And to be honest I do not see much point in doing it.


But I will try to figure it out at your leisure.


Please
Come up with something



I think that we will return to this issue after the released Soviet Corps

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/28/2015 10:02:12 PM   
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Where can I download these beautiful and high-quality Soviet units!?



I think that you must first decide what you need

has two choices
Link located on the front page of this topic,
You can also find link in the next topic, in the reports R-35


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I think that you must first decide what you need

has two choices
Link located on the front page of this topic,
You can also find link in the next topic, in the reports R-35



And a newer version does not have all of these units?)
or until the author H.Balck's DLC unit is subjected to genocide at this forum the new version does not go?

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/29/2015 7:47:27 AM   
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Were these (mortars and recoilless guns) actually widespread practices?



Motorcycle with mortar actively used in combat operations

And as for motorcycle with a gun, I am not sure
It Airborne Gun
It was adopted in the paratrooper


These guns were used!!!
Sometimes these guns were mounted on Willis-jeeps!


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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/29/2015 7:50:35 AM   
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Yes, right
This recoilless gun

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/29/2015 7:53:11 AM   
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And a newer version does not have all of these units?)
or until the author H.Balck's DLC unit is subjected to genocide at this forum the new version does not go?



In this case, you need to wait when R-35 publishes new link. But there will not be new Soviet units. Unfortunately H.Balck devotes very little time for the Soviet units lately

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/29/2015 3:18:44 PM   
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It regards theatres
I also think that there may be many pitfalls
This is a very time-consuming work. And to be honest I do not see much point in doing it.


But I will try to figure it out at your leisure.


Please
Come up with something



I think that we will return to this issue after the released Soviet Corps



and when will Soviet Corps released?

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/29/2015 3:21:25 PM   
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And a newer version does not have all of these units?)
or until the author H.Balck's DLC unit is subjected to genocide at this forum the new version does not go?


Oh Putin
How well it is written
Genocide Dumnorix on forum!

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/29/2015 3:25:55 PM   
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Unfortunately H.Balck devotes very little time for the Soviet units lately


Brazenman
Will he continue to work with new units from your list?

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/29/2015 7:16:12 PM   
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Unfortunately H.Balck devotes very little time for the Soviet units lately


Brazenman
Will he continue to work with new units from your list?


I dont know.
I hope so, but I'm not sure.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 6:28:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Guys, I have a question
Was such cloak uniform of Cossack?
Or such cloaks were all the cavalrymen of the Red Army, were not they?


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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 8:50:08 AM   
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Tank battle near Dubno-Lutsk-Rovno
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Битва_за_Дубно_—_Луцк_—_Броды




What do you think about this.
I see that this is a great scenario.
Grandiose tank battle during the first days of the war.
Soviet mechanized corps against the German Army Group South.
I came up with a good idea, is not it?

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 8:59:48 AM   
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Please, let's do it
It will not be very big map. So you can do it quickly.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 9:05:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dubno - Luck - Brody. The largest tank battle in the history of wars.

video lecture
http://voenhronika.ru/publ/vtoraja_mirovaja_vojna_sssr_khronika/dubno_luck_brody_krupnejshee_tankovoe_srazhenie_v_istorii_rossija_aleksej_isaev_2014_god/22-1-0-3038

short description
http://d-pankratov.ru/archives/1865

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 10:11:19 AM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 1:11:51 PM   
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< Message edited by VPaulus -- 11/2/2015 2:33:09 PM >

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 1:16:31 PM   
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Dubno - Luck - Brody. The largest tank battle in the history of wars.
This is a really good idea!
Thanks
But first I have to finish the second part of the map of Battle for the Brest

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 3:53:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kraganov, this is a warning. We've explained the situation and if you persist you'll be banned. HBalck was a disruptive influence that flooded our system with complaints and we banned him after many warnings.

I don't want to lock this thread but will if this continues.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 7:31:37 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 7:48:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear R-35
I publish here now
But perhaps it would be better if you will create a new topic for units of H.Balck

link for new units
Japan packet 3
https://www.sendspace.com/file/18wrxu

Type 1 HO-KI

Type 5 Chi-Ri

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2015 10:18:33 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/31/2015 12:21:04 AM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/31/2015 1:34:22 AM   
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Putin, this is a warning.

Thread locked.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/2/2015 1:36:05 PM   
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Please don't post ore off-topic posts.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/2/2015 4:03:54 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/2/2015 6:24:49 PM   
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I become bored of this topic

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/4/2015 9:27:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		THE STALIN LINE

http://worldatwarmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WaW_23-article.pdf

The Stalin Line was a line of fortifications along the western border of the Soviet Union. Work began on the system in the 1920s to protect the USSR against attacks from the West. The line was made up of concrete bunkers and gun emplacements, somewhat similar to, but less elaborate than the Maginot Line. It was not a continuous line of defense along the entire border, but rather a network of fortified districts, meant to channel potential invaders along certain corridors.



In the aftermath of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, with the westward expansion of the USSR in 1939 and 1940 into Poland, the Baltic, and Bessarabia, the decision was made to abandon the line in favour of constructing the Molotov Line further west, along the new border of the USSR. A number of Soviet generals felt that it would be better to keep both lines and to have a defence in depth, but this conflicted with the pre-World War II Soviet military doctrine.

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