Hotschi
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Okay, took a while.
Warspite, the "strawmen you were building"-comment by me refers to this points I've made as reply to your two strawmens;
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.) Nowhere in my post did I write that Rosberg does not suffer from nerves and doesn't make mistakes as a result.
.) Nowhere in my post did I write or even imply that Hamilton is the only guy out there that makes mistakes.
Both these statements are fact.
I see no need for me at all to re-read my own post, I know what I have written. I also know what I mean with everything that I have written. But there's no need for you lecturing me about what I have or have not said. It rather seems that you take your understanding of it or whatever you want to twist it into, and then turn this into what I myself have written. If there's anything unclear, ask. But just don't put meanings or words there which simply aren't there. Your way of discussion here is building strawmen, nothing more. Stop, simply stop, putting words into my mouth, thank you.
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World Champion: Hamilton if he establishes an early lead in the championship - or Rosberg if he prevents this, because then Hamilton is likely to show nerves and makes errors (see season 2011, see Hungaroring 2015)
This statement should be clear for everyone - unless one insists on distorting it, or putting a meaning or implication into it, which simply isn't there. But for you I explain; unless Hamilton is under pressure, Rosberg has no chance in winning the championship. That Rosberg, the teammate (or rival) himself shouldn't do stupid mistakes in his attempt, is self-explanatory, a simple as that. No need to mention it. No need at all, unless someone insists that whenever mistakes by Hamilton are mentioned, one MUST state that others also make mistakes. I will never play by that rule you set up. I only repeat my sentence;
Any and all mistakes, anytime and anywere, by any other F1 driver, active or retired, dead or alive, successful or unsuccessful, famous or unknown, are irrelevant in this context.
A mistake is a mistake is a mistake. When Hamilton's mistakes are the topic, which most times is the case here, any mistakes by [insert name] are irrelevant.
To insist on putting comments on Hamilton's driving "in the context of other drivers" is again building strawmen. This line of arguing reminds me of a driver on the motorway who is caught by police and complains that he's being stopped, while five other drivers do speeding as well and pass by, unmolested. No matter what these other five guys did, he - the one who has been stopped - still made a mistake, period.
By the way, you have never asked what I think about other driver's - pick a name if you mind - mistakes. Unless, of course, it was while Hamilton's mistakes were the issue... You'd probably be surprised.
About points #1 to #3 in my post #895, these are simply statements of reality, no strings or attempts at putting of strawmen attached.
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Since you are now digging up old posts - when was it, May or June last year? - here, I quote it in full, in case anyone is bored enough to bother:
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Reading the very informative post about team orders in the past, I wonder if some champions, notably Alonso, would have won the title - without team orders...
Every driver makes mistakes - but the best drivers rarely make mistakes. Sorry to join the "Anti-Lewis" fan-club, but what can constantly be observed is, that whenever a race does not start with Hamilton having all the best options in his camp he almost always makes mistakes - and starts complaining about his team mate (or rival). He is a very fast driver, but IMHO he is definitely not in the same league as Senna, Prost, Lauda, Schumacher and even Vettel. Hamilton drives fast, but apparently without brain as well. And this Statement has nothing to do with his nationality, or with his skin-colour, but everything to do with his personality (as he shows it in public). He's a fair-weather pilot and a cry-baby.
About team orders, I cannot remember a situation in F1 where both drivers of a team have won a title during the same successful period, it has always just been one of both - with one exemption, Senna and Prost, but I am not sure about it.
Seems I have touched a nerve with it, since you still remember it and raise questions again. Especially the 2nd paragraph seems to be of interest to you. You keep telling that my statement that Hamilton "almost always makes mistakes" is quite simple untrue. I ask you, is this wording by me an "absolute" statement, or is it one with a caveat, the caveat being "almost"? To write that Hamilton always makes mistakes would be wrong, I agree. But that's not what I have written. Nor is it what I have implied.
Again - and for the last time as far as I am concerned - referring to that old post of mine, sure I have read your long emotional reply (your post #667) to it. Back then I thought long whether I should reply at all to you. I stopped thinking about replying when I came across these lines - and here I quote;
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by Warspite
Again, it is now accepted in F1 circles that McLaren haven’t produced the best car for many, many years – when was the last time they won the constructors title? Yep – 1998……
Even with Alonso and Lewis driving for them in 2007 they couldn’t win the constructors title.
... because I could no longer take it seriously. Why? Because in 2007, Ferrari, the winner of the constructor's championship, scored 204 points. And McLaren would have scored 218 points but were disqualified. So much about your "evidence" that "McLaren haven’t produced the best car for many, many years" and that Hamilton never before Mercedes raced in a dominant car. And so much about "look[ing] closely at different drivers records, careers and races on an individual basis."
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That you are
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by Warspite
...not sure what thinking outside a box achieves,
is obvoius.
And now it's late here and I am tired. Good night.
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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 
- outqualifying Magnussen in his first Grand Prix. Nice to see the yellow of Renault back too 
Qualy was a disaster! 
Berine Ecclestone needs to be put out to pasture for allowing this load of **** to brought to bear. 
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