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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 2:36:15 PM   
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The allies arn´t finished for the day though. A extremely well coordinated strike take off from the US flight decks. No Japanese fighters can cover the stricken and damaged Japanese cruiser TF.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Little Andaman at 45,60

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
SBD-3 Dauntless x 60
TBF-1 Avenger x 26

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu, Bomb hits 1
CL Natori, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Arashi, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Suzuya
CA Takao, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Ashigara, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage


CA Suzuya is a lucky ship indeed. Hit by a TT dropped from an Avenger. But it never exploded...can she escape tomorrow together with Kinu?




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 2:38:01 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 3:03:35 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 3:09:31 PM   
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IJA divisions have built-in combat engineers. Not a lot, but some. Not enough to get from forts 9 to 0, probably.


How depressing...

I really wish SD would have been Light Urban at least...

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 3:33:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		If that's what he's going to face on bombardments, his artillery isn't going to last too long.

I wouldn't necessarily be too concerned about SD - wait until you seen the results of his first attack. If you kill off a bunch of engineer squads, he's not going to be able to replace them.

Also, depending on what happens at LA, he might be in serious trouble here within the next few turns. You've really started whittling down his air groups.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 4:11:52 PM   
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IJA divisions have built-in combat engineers. Not a lot, but some. Not enough to get from forts 9 to 0, probably.


How depressing...

I really wish SD would have been Light Urban at least...
I think you have enough defenders to hold San Diego. His AA is very limited, only the 31st Air Defense AA Bn, so you should be able to cause some serious discomfort with ground strikes on his LCUs in clear terrain. He brought a lot of artillery, but he will be at a decided disadvantage to counterbattery fire given the disparate fort levels. If you have the PP to spare you might want to look at your LCU commanders. You might prefer to use anyone with high Aggression in L.A. and focus on Land and Admin in S.D. since you won't be doing much attacking in S.D.

You've done some good work with Pencil, and the results so far make future expansion appear almost academic. You pretty much eliminated any realistic IJN surface interference in the Indian Ocean. Burma must surely fall to the Allies. The issue is how much of the Japanese forces there can you bottle up? Are you prepared to pursue from India if the Japanese begin a general withdrawal from Burma towards China?


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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 4:48:55 PM   
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If that's what he's going to face on bombardments, his artillery isn't going to last too long.

I wouldn't necessarily be too concerned about SD - wait until you seen the results of his first attack. If you kill off a bunch of engineer squads, he's not going to be able to replace them.

Also, depending on what happens at LA, he might be in serious trouble here within the next few turns. You've really started whittling down his air groups.


Yeah, what I hope for is a crushing defeat against the forts on his first attack. A big failure and he will have to pack up and leave. I would have felt a lot more confident with another division here.

Started flying in some troops this turn. Just to see if he has any LRCAP up. The troops did show up during combat but I don´t know if any transports were intercepted.

The first attack will come shortly I´m sure. Perhaps next turn already. He can´t stay for a long siege.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 4:58:00 PM   
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I hope you are right. I *think* I have enough too. But its not something I dare to bet on. Been wrong before...already changed all leaders at SD.

Actually moved my bombers forward this turn. They will be ready shortly for offensive duties. Either to hit the troops at SD or..something else. I have an idea I would like to try...

Agree on the IJN being neutralized in the IO. At least short term. I havn´t seen his slow BBs yet though and they might be en route. Problem with that is that he can´t really operate them outside his own LBA which makes their relevance pretty slight. Especially true with allied CVs in the area.

Besides I wouldn´t back down from a BB fight in the IO! Valiant, Revenge, Royal Sovereign, Ramillies, Resolution, PoW, Repulse and Washington...


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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 5:40:41 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 8:14:47 PM   
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Like in chess, the Allied player can get up one or two pawns and trade down to the end game. One of his BBs for one of your BBs sounds good to me!


Oh, I would certainly trade BBs for BBs. In fact I would trade any ship for the same ship. An even trade is an allied win.

Besides I´m not overly fond of the slow BBs. I thing many people place too big of an importance in them. Basically they are good for bombardments under air cover and/or covering landings.

Somewhat useful but not very important. Fast BBs on the other hand...extremely useful!

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 8:30:46 PM   
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Be back in 1-2 weeks although I might drop by the forum from time to time.

Vacation ftw!


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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 9:13:42 PM   
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If that's what he's going to face on bombardments, his artillery isn't going to last too long.

I wouldn't necessarily be too concerned about SD - wait until you seen the results of his first attack. If you kill off a bunch of engineer squads, he's not going to be able to replace them.

Also, depending on what happens at LA, he might be in serious trouble here within the next few turns. You've really started whittling down his air groups.

I expect those three "units" you destroyed were, in fact, just fragments. He had a number of /1 fragments in the stack. Still a good result in terms of relative losses. If you have the M1A1 155mm Long Tom in your artillery collection you can outrange him on counterbattery and he will soon be shooting slingshots.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/9/2016 9:52:46 PM   
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Going to try to grab a few hours sleep before packing the kids in the car.

Be back in 1-2 weeks although I might drop by the forum from time to time.

Vacation ftw!



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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/10/2016 3:33:54 PM   
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I know that I am relatively new at playing this war and don't have near the knowledge or experience that many others retain, however, I stand by my original belief that I think Lowpe has made a serious mistake attacking Southern California. I think this attack is going to hurt him immensely down the road.

Hang in there. You are doing an awesome job.

Have a wonderful vacation.

Best Regards,

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/10/2016 5:25:08 PM   
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If that's what he's going to face on bombardments, his artillery isn't going to last too long.

I wouldn't necessarily be too concerned about SD - wait until you seen the results of his first attack. If you kill off a bunch of engineer squads, he's not going to be able to replace them.

Also, depending on what happens at LA, he might be in serious trouble here within the next few turns. You've really started whittling down his air groups.


He would be able to pull replacements from the base outside of San Diego.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/10/2016 7:05:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rio, you're right in that this is an all-or-nothing gambit by Lowpe. If he had a good plan and succeeds, the damage to Jocke would be great, or Lowpe wouldn't be trying this. But if he fails, he's skewered himself. To have most of his army and navy committed to a long term and dangerous expedition while the Allies are on the move elsewhere is a bad recipe. And, as we all know, an orderly withdrawal is sometimes the most difficult thing of all. If the wheels come off for Lowpe it probably isn't going to be pretty.

But we readers are fortunate that two experienced players are posting regularly while engaged in a novel campaign. Thanks, Jocke, for doing your part.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/10/2016 7:30:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suspect forts at SD will be determinative. If this was ever going to work, apart from doing it 7-9 months earlier, it needed less dinking around at LA and surrounding bases, less marching, less maneuvering. He should have brought everything ashore on top of SD, except what was needed to take an island for AKE purposes and para shots to hold back the railroads, and taken the dang city.

Everything Japan has sitting at LA is useless. And probably goners, with no ROI.

Someday he's going to find out the fuel stocks sitting at SD and kick himself.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/10/2016 7:53:52 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/11/2016 4:25:19 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/11/2016 5:48:42 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/13/2016 8:04:46 AM   
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Still out travelling. Weather isnt great though. Had some really bad rain yesterday. Spending a lot of time in the car and tent with two hyperactive kiss isn't as fin as it sounds!

At least I get to spend a lot of time thinking about the game! Have a pretty clear mental picture of how I think this game will play out.

Anyway, no page 2 for me!

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/13/2016 9:49:17 AM   
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Hi guys!

Still out travelling. Weather isnt great though. Had some really bad rain yesterday. Spending a lot of time in the car and tent with two hyperactive kiss isn't as fin as it sounds!

At least I get to spend a lot of time thinking about the game! Have a pretty clear mental picture of how I think this game will play out.

Anyway, no page 2 for me!


Yeah, tell me about it. I went out in a tee shirt yesterday, thinking, as you would in mid July, that it is summer. Massive chilly rains arrived around noon and I got drenched. Yuck. Last summer was great here, and this has been really poor.

Hope you get some sun, hiking, fishing, bird watching, avoid the bears and mama moose, and that you brought some good IPAs for the campfire stories!


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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/13/2016 1:58:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

IJA divisions have built-in combat engineers. Not a lot, but some. Not enough to get from forts 9 to 0, probably.


How depressing...

I really wish SD would have been Light Urban at least...



I just saw this. I have pictures of San Diego from this time. I have to admit I was completely shocked at how primitive it was back then. I lived in this area for a few years, and even so, I had no idea how far it had come in such a short period. I still hope to get these pics digital sometime in the next year, but suffice to say a simple wood frame house was a luxury back then

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/15/2016 8:41:40 AM   
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Just arrived at the in laws. Weather is still pretty bad and we will probably head home shortly. Probably tomorrow or Sunday. Finally got access to a computer although its pretty awkward to type on this laptop.

Regarding the game I agree with CR that this is a all or nothing move. And personally its not one I would do as the Japanese. The gain is not THAT big unless you can capture LA and that is very unlikely even under the best circumstances. Losing SD is a blow but you can make do without the AC production there.

As Bull is saying I also think this not the best way to go about it. Mainly its too late. This invasion should have happened in the 1st quarter of 42. I´m pretty certain that would have been successful. Level 1-3 forts. Allied divisions in poor shape with lots of disablements...and few troops in general. Going that early would also mean that Nick/Jeff wouldnt have had to worry about an allied counterattack. Now that counterattack is the biggest danger. Most of the map is compltetely undefended. 4 divisions in Burma and that is it. Even if Jeff captures SD I could probably end the game in a couple of months by smacking down 8-10 divisions just west of PB. March there and wreck the oil. Game over.

Not going to do that though. Its a pretty boring way to go about it. Pencil II will still happen as will Paper and Paperclip. But after that I´ll probably going to give Jeff some time to get into position and set up his defenses. That doesnt mean I wont do anything but I´ll probably stop the advance in SEA and start moving in NORPAC/CENTPAC instead. Not because I need to but to prolong the game for the fun of us both as well as you readers.

I´ll go into more detail regarding this as I return home. But I had a lot of time to ponder this and I´m pretty sure I could "win" this by just continuing to push in SEA even if I dont do an all out attack on the oil. I could probably reach the SCS in 3 months. But I just don´t see much fun in that.

This laptop is horrible to type on...so that will be enough for now!




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/15/2016 9:53:26 AM   
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Even if Jeff captures SD I could probably end the game in a couple of months by smacking down 8-10 divisions just west of PB. March there and wreck the oil. Game over.

Not going to do that though. Its a pretty boring way to go about it. Pencil II will still happen as will Paper and Paperclip. But after that I´ll probably going to give Jeff some time to get into position and set up his defenses. That doesnt mean I wont do anything but I´ll probably stop the advance in SEA and start moving in NORPAC/CENTPAC instead. Not because I need to but to prolong the game for the fun of us both as well as you readers.



So if I understand what you're saying, you won't chose to play the best Allied option because it's not sporting?!?

I for one think it would be the most fun for us readers to see you go for the jugular if you think you can here. Take out the oil. The response it will provoke will be fantastic to watch, and you might be surprised at the resilience of the defenders. If you really think you can end it, give the old college try!!

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/16/2016 5:42:54 PM   
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Way too tired for a turn tonight but hopefully I have it for the morning coffee.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/16/2016 5:44:33 PM   
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Even if Jeff captures SD I could probably end the game in a couple of months by smacking down 8-10 divisions just west of PB. March there and wreck the oil. Game over.

Not going to do that though. Its a pretty boring way to go about it. Pencil II will still happen as will Paper and Paperclip. But after that I´ll probably going to give Jeff some time to get into position and set up his defenses. That doesnt mean I wont do anything but I´ll probably stop the advance in SEA and start moving in NORPAC/CENTPAC instead. Not because I need to but to prolong the game for the fun of us both as well as you readers.



So if I understand what you're saying, you won't chose to play the best Allied option because it's not sporting?!?

I for one think it would be the most fun for us readers to see you go for the jugular if you think you can here. Take out the oil. The response it will provoke will be fantastic to watch, and you might be surprised at the resilience of the defenders. If you really think you can end it, give the old college try!!


Totally agree. Go for the jugular, make him pay.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/16/2016 6:40:23 PM   
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Even if Jeff captures SD I could probably end the game in a couple of months by smacking down 8-10 divisions just west of PB. March there and wreck the oil. Game over.

Not going to do that though. Its a pretty boring way to go about it. Pencil II will still happen as will Paper and Paperclip. But after that I´ll probably going to give Jeff some time to get into position and set up his defenses. That doesnt mean I wont do anything but I´ll probably stop the advance in SEA and start moving in NORPAC/CENTPAC instead. Not because I need to but to prolong the game for the fun of us both as well as you readers.



So if I understand what you're saying, you won't chose to play the best Allied option because it's not sporting?!?

I for one think it would be the most fun for us readers to see you go for the jugular if you think you can here. Take out the oil. The response it will provoke will be fantastic to watch, and you might be surprised at the resilience of the defenders. If you really think you can end it, give the old college try!!


Totally agree. Go for the jugular, make him pay.


I concur.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/16/2016 7:22:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I completely agree with the above. The idea of extending a game or altering your plans just to be considerate to us or your opponent strikes me as wrong. Always do what makes sense in the game. If there is a wide-open opportunity to go for the jugular, you think the allies wouldn't have done it?

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/17/2016 6:17:42 AM   
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I´ll think about what to do a little bit more. As I said I´m pretty damn sure I could land outside PB in 1-3 months and just walk over there and destroy it. According to SIGINT there are NO Japanese divisions in SEA besides 3 divisions in Northern Burma and 1 division at Ledo. Just imagine the time it would take for Jeff to get the troops disengaged on the WC and then shipped to Sumatra...That being said he has already been way too long on the WC. He should be starting to move out already.

That being said my original plan of Pencil II will require another month of commitment. I can´t do that AND land outside PB. Lets see how things look by then.

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