AllenK
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The process that took time was determining what MWiF was actually doing, rather than what it was supposed to be doing. It would be nice to have that documented somewhere, so the rest of us don't have to discover it as well. Could it be written down? Well, as far as I could tell, MWiF was allowing US CP's to be part of the convoy chains transporting CW and French resources to the CW factories but wasn't allowing them to transport lend-lease US BP's to France. I'm not sure about lend-lease resources as I didn't particularly test that aspect. That is a bug. This is the tekst of the option: 32. US refutes Naval War zones - The USA may use its own convoy points to ship any resources and/or builds points that the USA is lend-leasing to any allied major power. These convoy points may be attacked by Axis units even if they are not at war with the USA. The rule here is clear. US convoys may only transport US lend leased build points and/or resources. The US isn't allowed to transport French or CW resources (or build points). I think you need to put this one with a gamesave in the tech support part of the forums... Also: look into this ruling in the FAQ on this option: Q: Once the US refutes Naval War zones, I know they can only ship their own stuff, but can they be part of a convoy chain? The rule on chains says a Neutral Major cannot be part of a chain unless the rules specifically allow it. Then it cites the nonexistent rule 5.1.1 (we assume 5.1 - Trade Agreements - is meant of course) and rule 13.3.2 Option 9. No mention of 13.3.2 Option 32. So this could mean that for several turns, a chain of CW and Russian CP are taking US lends to Russia, but once the US refutes Naval War zones and wants to use US CPs to ship them, then no longer can the CW and Russian CP participate in shipping any of the US lends that traversed any distance on US CPs! It also could mean that aside from Trade Agreements, the only chain the US can participate in while neutral, must be resources to China? A: No (13.6.1 specifies which 2 circumstances neutral major powers may share convoy chains). Date 23/12/2007 13.3.2 Option 32: US refutes Naval War zones - The USA may use its own convoy points to ship any resources and/or builds points that the USA is lendleasing to any allied major power. 13.6.1: Neutral major powers can only contribute to convoy chains with other major powers if the rules specifically allow it (see 5.1.1 and 13.3.2, option 9). Neutral major powers’ convoys can not transport resources or build points to other major powers unless the rules specifically allow it (see 5.1.1 Japan-USA, 13.3.2, options 9, 15, 17, 19, 27 and 30). This means that if the US wants to send BP's to France with this option, the whole convoy chain should be made up of US convoy points. If that isn't the case, the build points has to delivered by a convoy chain consisting only of CW and French convoys. Centuur, thanks for the clarification. It nicely answers the question I raised a few posts back about how these various rules interact. I posted the game save on tech support but I think it may be okay after all. The simple reason it appeared US CP's were not working to send the 3 French BP's was there weren't 3 US CP's in each of the 4 sea zones between US and Libreville. Gulf of Guinea only had CW/French. It was by swapping the US CP's for CW ones that the chain worked. Regarding US CP's in combined chains shipping CW/French resources, without further examination, I think it may be that with the swapping around of US and CW CP's, Orm and myself were able to set things up so that there were enough in each zone to ship everything correctly but the zones all appeared very mixed.
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