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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 4/7/2017 7:32:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

That is a pretty darn good bombardment by only two cruisers.

Kind of hard to believe the base wasn't savaged the next day. Weather, possibly?

Low sweeps always seem to be painful. The only reason I really can see doing it is to try and stack the odds in your favor that the low sweeps come in prior to the bombers.

I always thought altitude was a big factor in the timing of raids over a particular base. More than distance at any rate.

I'm starting to think altitude is also a factor in timing. The low CAP is a bit scary to Sqz after his previous experiences, so at least he's trying some new stuff here. He had some things working earlier I thought, but din't pursue. He seems very loss averse, which in the endgame does allow for the multiple turn strikes that will be needed to wear down a base like this. I think he just set sweeps, and since I also had LR CAP going, even if he'd thrown 4Es in, they would've been hit for their gains.

I'm just sitting here still fighting in North New Guinea while all the bases in the second and third tier I want to fortify have time to build and get populated. This is a long process, and I know he took this over with a lot to fix. It'll be exciting to see jets for the first time!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 4/7/2017 7:59:58 PM

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I have seen Jets in downfall. They can be tough., but you need to be careful with them. High SR. They seem prone to not sticking around long, especially in a multiple wave attack.

I bet they make for decent sweepers when the Allies get close enough.

I am amazed at the low number of plane losses you have suffered.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/13/2017 7:34:25 AM

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Aug 17-31, 1944

RESUMING THE AAR: Well, it's been a while! The game as been going steadily, but the action hasn't been that new, so I didn't want to bore everyone with endless reports of the same air actions for several months. Some thing are starting to happen, so I'll quickly go through some updates and get to the present.

BURMA: The Allied army continues to march from side to side of the Central valley in Burma. I move troops back and forth. That's about it.

CENT PAC: Truk is still sitting pretty while everything West of there has been effectively abandoned. All Marianas bases are ready, with lots of prepped troops and good forts at 6-7.

SW PAC: In SW Pac the Allies continue to bomb Woleii and intermittently hit bases in Northern New Guinea. He is really feeling his way slowly here, which is fine by me, as Hollandia and Sarmi continue to be able to be supplied by xAKL. He sends DDs in occasionally to hit some, but others still get through.

One DD run is hit by MTBs, which is surprising and fun.

He continues to bomb Woleai, but we set LR CAP every once i na while and get some P-38s and B-24s too. All of this attention is having little affect on the base, which the engineers clean up. The main defenders are being kept at Babeldaop and will be flown in at first sight of trouble.

On the 24th he sends in a damn good BB bombardment of Hollandia. Ouch!!

We did manage to get ALL groups out via xAKL that were sitting in the base for this reason. Then the 200+ engineers fixed it up and we moved back in!

The BBs come back on the 29th and we have a DB strike get slaughtered by LR CAP.

On the 30th sweeps hit a lone Tojo group at Biak, and it does surprisingly well. Still finding this plane useful after its sell-by-date.

One other note is that he's using B-29s to hit fields and ports, which I like. The more used against these targets, the less around to hit industry later!

In a strike on the 31st they actually hit some CAP, with the newly arrived Ki-84b playing a part. Curious about this plane as I've not used them in previous games. So far so good!

A nearly abandoned Vanimo is taken on the 31st. I was thinking he'd walk from there to Hollandia, but so far he hasn't during the next two months.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 20, 44
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Hollandia at 93,116, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-538
MTB G-541
MTB G-542
MTB G-544

Allied Ships
DD Lamson
DD Cushing
DD Downes, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Reduced sighting due to 7% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 7% moonlight: 2,000 yards

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 24, 44
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TF 482 encounters mine field at Hollandia (93,116)

Allied Ships
DD Monssen, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

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ASW attack near Hollandia at 93,116

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-46, hits 2, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Kalk

SSX Ha-46 is sighted by escort
Ha-46 bottoming out ....

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Sub attack near Hollandia at 93,116

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-50, hits 8, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Kalk

SSX Ha-50 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Kalk
Ha-50 bottoming out ....

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Night Naval bombardment of Hollandia at 93,116

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 35 damaged
N1K2-J George: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 37 damaged
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 53 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 7 destroyed on ground
J2M3 Jack: 23 damaged
J2M3 Jack: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-I Tony: 19 damaged
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed on ground

Japanese Ships
xAKL Chosen Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee
BB California

Japanese ground losses:
427 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 22 (7 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 58
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Tennessee
BB Tennessee firing at Hollandia

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Night Naval bombardment of Hollandia at 93,116

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 5 damaged
N1K2-J George: 7 damaged
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 6 damaged
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-I Tony: 31 damaged
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 12 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Trenton
CL Richmond

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 15

CL Trenton firing at Hollandia
CL Richmond firing at Hollandia

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 29, 44
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TF 430 encounters mine field at Hollandia (93,116) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

7 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
YMS-278, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
YMS-221, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at YMS-278
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at YMS-221
11 mines cleared

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Night Naval bombardment of Hollandia at 93,116 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

113 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi
BB New Mexico, Shell hits 1
BB Idaho, Shell hits 1
DD Satterlee
DD Thompson
DD Meade
DD Kalk, Shell hits 1
DD Welles
DD Buchanan
DD Laffey
DD Aaron Ward
DD Wilkes

Japanese ground losses:
101 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 33
Port hits 7
Port supply hits 2

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Mississippi
BB Mississippi firing at Hollandia

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TF 479 encounters mine field at Hollandia (93,116) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied Ships
YMS-218, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
YMS-217, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at YMS-218
YMS-218 firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at YMS-217
YMS-217 firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
23 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hollandia at 93,115

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y3 Judy x 19
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 49

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 7
Spitfire VIII x 5
P-40N5 Warhawk x 14
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
F4U-1A Corsair x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 3 destroyed by flak
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 15 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CLAA Juneau

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 30, 44
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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 49

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 5 destroyed

CAP engaged:
20th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 20 on standby, 20 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 27000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 38

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 20000 feet *

CAP engaged:
20th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 6 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
23 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 24000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 46 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 18

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet *

CAP engaged:
20th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
16 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 19000 and 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 31, 44
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Morning Air attack on Noemfoor , at 86,110

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 26
Ki-84b Frank x 40

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Noemfoor , at 86,110

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17
Ki-84b Frank x 28

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 4 damaged
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 20000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Noemfoor , at 86,110

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-84b Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 20000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Vanimo (93,117)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4137 troops, 34 guns, 49 vehicles, Assault Value = 130

Defending force 1477 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Allied adjusted assault: 123

Japanese adjusted defense: 11

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Vanimo !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 5 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
350 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 23 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 16 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 3

Assaulting units:
30th Australian Brigade

Defending units:
Ikaiei SNLF
107th JAAF AF Bn
39th JNAF AF Unit /3

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In addition to the Ki-84b, the N1K5 is coming online in October. Very excited about that as the reports I've heard suggest it's a beast.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/13/2017 7:57:37 AM

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Sept 1-30, 1944

SUBS: Allied subs still only work Cent Pac and a bit up toward Babeldaob. Ours are in port waiting for an Allied push forward. Then they will swarm.

BURMA: More of the same.

CENT PAC: All but Kwajalein taken in the Marshalls.

SW PAC: Sarmi gets the business on the 5th. A good, deep move by the Allies that I didn't notice in time. Still, it's not followed up by anything and the base returns to action after a week.

A USN force of Fletchers and CL Cleveland crushes an IJN CL led TF near Biak. Yikes!! Bad things to come!

On the 17th we LR CAP the milk runs at Woleai and get a few Lightnings and unfortunately no B-24s come that day.

OZ: The Allies take back Perth and Darwin. I've still got Exmouth and will try to keep it as eyes on the Allied movements. Darwin poses a threat, but is vulnerable to bombardment too. So far he's only basing fighters there.

On the 21st we miss a beautiful chance to hit the B-29s as they go for the fields at Noemefor. Unfortunately I had CAP down repairing and resting.

Pilot training and troop allocation keep me busy through the rest of Septembers scattered milk runs.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 5, 44
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TF 27 encounters mine field at Sarmi (91,114)

Allied Ships
DD Grayson, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

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Night Naval bombardment of Sarmi at 91,114

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-I Tony: 41 damaged
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 46 damaged
N1K2-J George: 6 destroyed on ground
B6N2 Jill: 2 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed on ground
J2M3 Jack: 20 damaged
J2M3 Jack: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 39 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 destroyed on ground

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-43, hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee
BB California

Japanese ground losses:
433 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 13 (4 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (2 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 49
Port hits 1

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Tennessee
BB Tennessee firing at Sarmi
BB California firing at Sarmi

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 13, 44
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Biak at 87,110, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yura, Shell hits 24, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Kinu, Shell hits 18, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Nenohi, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Hatsushima, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
DD Wakaba, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Ariake, Shell hits 14, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Ikazuchi, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
DD Inazuma, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Usugumo, Shell hits 28, and is sunk
DD Shirakumo, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Murakumo, Shell hits 18, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Cleveland
DD Knapp, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Laws
DD Longshaw, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Luce, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Marshall, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Nicholas, Shell hits 1
DD Thatcher, Shell hits 3
DD The Sullivans, Shell hits 3
DD Walker, Shell hits 7, heavy fires

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 17, 44
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Morning Air attack on Woleai , at 101,103

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 8
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 45
Ki-84b Frank x 26

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 4 destroyed

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 5, 44
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Morning Air attack on Noemfoor , at 86,110

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 55

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 14 destroyed on ground
D4Y3 Judy: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-84b Frank: 4 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 33
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 83

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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The Ki-45D Nick NF has now filled out most IJAAF NF groups. Happy about this as I didn't use it last time and missed out on a lot of extra NF.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/13/2017 8:26:16 AM

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Oct 1-3, 1944

BURMA: October sees the Allies seemingly making a move here. On the yellow road from Meiktila the Allies now appear to have 200k troops going around my one supported and well-dug-in division in the river crossing hex. It looks like they will either walk into the deep jungle and go around toward Chang Mai, or potentially go for China up the road to Kunming. i've begun re-shifting my Chinese expeditionary army to free some divisions from their garrison and fort building duties and will get 2k AV up to Kunming to address this threat.

I've just seen through recon at Ledo that the now filled out Chinese army is returning into the fray fro mIndia. 400k troops are just leaving Ledo into the jungles. Paoshan is nearly at forts 6 but having supply woes, so I'm flying some in to finish the job, then leaving a division with arty in the base on the river crossing.

The force in Central Burma is now only 180k troops and looks to be heading for Toungou again. If his 200k force does hit the jungles proper, offload, I'll see that as a chance to retreat half of the IJA Burma Army to more safe areas near Bangkok.

CENT PAC: Nothing here.

SW PAC: Aha! Ships are spotted moving NW from So Pac. Looks like CVs so I think something is up at last. With all of the attention paid to Woleai for the past three months, I'l begin adding the regiment sitting in Babeldaop and get the base ready. The KB will not travel to the area to react just yet. I'd like to keep it in the shadows for now. Subs are launching from all directions and there should be 30 or so in the area in 3-4 days.

A shot of Burma. When will the massive Allied air force strike here?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/13/2017 9:04:18 AM

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Oct 3, 1944

SW PAC: The Allies go big for Biak this turn as well as moving closer to the Woleai area.

At Biak the sweeps do well, and the N1K5's debut is not amazing. He tries lower sweeps which helps him out, but the B-24s come in at 24k and the CAP still gets to them, while the bombing is relatively ineffective from that altitude. The P-38s on LR CAP really suffer, losing 35+ on the day, and the P-47 continues to struggle down low.

At Woleai two xAKL unloading supplies (just in time) attack CV air strikes, which are mauled by the Franks and Oscars on CAP here.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 3, 44
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Night Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 52
N1K5-J George x 36
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 49

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 40
F4U-1A Corsair x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 3 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 5 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 16000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 42
N1K5-J George x 29
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 35

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 6
F4U-1A Corsair x 37

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 16000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 35
N1K5-J George x 24
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 28

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 4 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 18000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 18
N1K5-J George x 20
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 24

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 6
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 26
F4U-1A Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 18000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 13
N1K5-J George x 17
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 19

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 32
P-38L Lightning x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed

Airbase hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 24000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 10
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 18

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8
P-38L Lightning x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 24000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 6
N1K5-J George x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 18

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8
P-38L Lightning x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 25000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Biak , at 87,110

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 5
N1K5-J George x 9
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 11

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 25000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Woleai at 101,103

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 28
Ki-84b Frank x 28

Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 6
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire IIC: 2 destroyed
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 20 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAKL Keizan Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/13/2017 4:05:11 PM

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... the N1K5's debut is not amazing.

Sorry, at this point, there really aren't any 'wunderkind' weapons that will debut unless you go for the Ki-201.

IJ just gets incremental improvement on what you have while the allies are making MUCH bigger improvements on what they get ...

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/13/2017 4:54:16 PM

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... the N1K5's debut is not amazing.

Sorry, at this point, there really aren't any 'wunderkind' weapons that will debut unless you go for the Ki-201.

IJ just gets incremental improvement on what you have while the allies are making MUCH bigger improvements on what they get ...

Well, there is one thing ...

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/13/2017 5:04:25 PM

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... the N1K5's debut is not amazing.

Sorry, at this point, there really aren't any 'wunderkind' weapons that will debut unless you go for the Ki-201.

IJ just gets incremental improvement on what you have while the allies are making MUCH bigger improvements on what they get ...

Spill, how close are you to having Jets?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/13/2017 5:43:34 PM

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... the N1K5's debut is not amazing.

Sorry, at this point, there really aren't any 'wunderkind' weapons that will debut unless you go for the Ki-201.

IJ just gets incremental improvement on what you have while the allies are making MUCH bigger improvements on what they get ...

Spill, how close are you to having Jets?

Not close. I'm only at about 11(19) on the jet fighters. Less on the bombers. Decided to add them late when it seemed like the game might continue past historical. Only one factory x30 of each of those and I think one of the Ki-94.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/13/2017 6:25:06 PM

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Oct 4, 1944

SW PAC: Woleai is invaded!! No big surprise there, but it is surprising that he uses two big BB TFs hit the base first and then two more in the amphib TF plaster the troops. I thought for sure it was a goner.

But no ... the 16th regiment holds on in their bunkers, pillboxes and emplacements. They waited through the terror of the big gun shells landing, then launched a counter attack on the beachheads. The 12th NZ Brigade was overwhelmed, pushed back into the surf, unable to to find cover.

This is an atoll. Only 4 forts but still, can't mess with an atoll bringing only a small brigade unsupported by engineers, tanks or arty. The forts hold, the 16th is only 18/16 fatigue/disruption, and the base has 48 AV left for tomorrow. We'll keep sending in troops and go from there. I doubt there's much left for combat troops on the other side. If he's smart he'll pull these all off now.

Sqz is not happy, feels he got a bad roll.

SUBS: Subs will come in and try for stragglers.

BURMA: Seems he's serious about the jungle escapade. I'll need to start planning the timing for bringing troops back onto the Chang Mai-Bangkok rail line.

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Night Naval bombardment of Woleai at 101,103

Japanese Ships
PB Higashiyama Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAKL Keizan Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee
BB California

Japanese ground losses:
117 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 21
Port hits 9
Port supply hits 5

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Tennessee
BB Tennessee firing at Woleai

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Night Naval bombardment of Woleai at 101,103

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed on ground

Japanese Ships
xAKL Keizan Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho
DD Satterlee
DD Meade
DD Welles
DD Laffey
DD Aaron Ward
DD Wilkes

Japanese ground losses:
345 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6
Port hits 4
Port supply hits 1

BB New Mexico firing at Woleai
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Idaho

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Pre-Invasion action off Woleai (101,103)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

41 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi
BB Pennsylvania
CL Trenton
CL Richmond
DD Flusser
DD Shaw
DD Drayton
LCI-70
LCI-66
LCI-65
APA Leonard Wood
DD Tucker

Japanese ground losses:
265 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 39 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

BB Mississippi firing at 76th JAAF AF Bn

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Amphibious Assault at Woleai (101,103)

TF 287 troops unloading over beach at Woleai, 101,103

Allied ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 26 (0 destroyed, 26 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (0 destroyed, 8 disabled)

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Ground combat at Woleai (101,103)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3557 troops, 90 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 129

Defending force 3834 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 103

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 16

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
849 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 18 (3 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1064 casualties reported
Squads: 93 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 17 (5 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
12th NZ Brigade
57th Australian Lt AA Regiment
8th Marine Defense Battalion
E/F Battery Heavy Coastal Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
78th Naval Guard Unit
16th Ind.Mixed Rgt /1
76th JAAF AF Bn
72nd Air Flotilla /1
1st Naval Const Bn /2

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This is exactly the kind of move I would have hoped for from the Allies right now. A small level 0/2 field atoll not close enough to much to make it really useful. And ... they didn't get it.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/13/2017 9:08:24 PM

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Well, there is one thing ...

The Ki-83 is good, and it is an improvement, but at least for me, I don't find it to be a wunderkind.
I find the J7W to be a bit better, but still not a wunderkind solution.

Both aircraft are competitive which is huge, but not dominate. This is in contrast to when the N1K/J2M first arrive, they really are dominate. Its about the last time the IJ get to experience that wonderful feeling.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/14/2017 1:33:21 AM

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Nice picture of the KI-45D with the slanted twin 20mm cannons.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/14/2017 2:58:36 AM

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The Ki-83 can dominate on the sweep. At least as often as Jugs do in the reverse.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/14/2017 1:52:54 PM

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The Ki-83 can dominate on the sweep. At least as often as Jugs do in the reverse.

But with SR3, they cannot sweep nearly as often. I didn't say it wasn't good, it is. But it is not a dominant aircraft. It is on par with the allied, no more.

Ask yourself this: would you take P47N or Ki-83 if you have a choice? Most players will choose the P47N, although they will give the Ki-83 acknowledgement as a good plane.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/15/2017 2:00:57 PM

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The Ki-83 can dominate on the sweep. At least as often as Jugs do in the reverse.

But with SR3, they cannot sweep nearly as often. I didn't say it wasn't good, it is. But it is not a dominant aircraft. It is on par with the allied, no more.

Ask yourself this: would you take P47N or Ki-83 if you have a choice? Most players will choose the P47N, although they will give the Ki-83 acknowledgement as a good plane.

In equal production numbers? Without Tracker in front of me, I'm pretty sure the Ki-83 has better stats for everything but durability and the SR.

In which case... I'd rather have the Ki-83 because as mentioned, SR doesn't dictate frequency of sweeps so much as enemy defenses do. At least in my experience.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/15/2017 6:23:34 PM

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I think you want to check stats ... Ki83 is competitive, but no more than that ...

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I think you want to check stats ... Ki83 is competitive, but no more than that ...

Altitude is key. Can it dive on P-47s? If so and there's a reasonable expectation with its armament that it will down P-47s, then I want it.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/15/2017 8:54:04 PM

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I think you want to check stats ... Ki83 is competitive, but no more than that ...

The Ki-83 is IMHO the best fighter Japan gets in the war, and the sooner you get it the better. When compared to several Allied fighters of the same generation though, it's just a pickem. Depends on what you want to do and how you want to set things to do it.

P-47N though is a cut above, obviously.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/16/2017 1:11:37 AM

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The Ki-83 is IMHO the best fighter Japan gets in the war, and the sooner you get it the better. When compared to several Allied fighters of the same generation though, it's just a pickem. Depends on what you want to do and how you want to set things to do it.

P-47N though is a cut above, obviously.

I know you are a big fan.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/16/2017 2:13:58 AM

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Given those stats and my HRs which limits planes to their 2nd best altitude ban + 1K the Ki-83 would be limited to sweeping or CAP at no higher than 21K while the P47N would be 32K+. Also the P-47N was the fastest of the bunch at 460 MPH and had a roll rate on par with the best of them, though it turned like a truck. It was also the best fighter bomber of those listed and could take the must punishment. So on all counts the P-47N was the superior and most versatile aircraft.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/16/2017 5:26:38 PM

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I think you want to check stats ... Ki83 is competitive, but no more than that ...

The Ki-83 is IMHO the best fighter Japan gets in the war, and the sooner you get it the better. When compared to several Allied fighters of the same generation though, it's just a pickem. Depends on what you want to do and how you want to set things to do it.

P-47N though is a cut above, obviously.

These stats are not stock stats.

P-47N in stock is limited to 42K (pretty sure). Ki-83 is not limited to 36600 in stock.

I've been talking about stock stats this whole time, so if yours are different, then just cross out everything I said

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/16/2017 7:21:42 PM

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These stats are not stock stats.

P-47N in stock is limited to 42K (pretty sure). Ki-83 is not limited to 36600 in stock.

I've been talking about stock stats this whole time, so if yours are different, then just cross out everything I said .

Just grabbed them from the first game I was in. I'll look in stock too.

It's interesting all of the changes Symon made to airframes for DBB that ALL seem to enhance Japanese airframes. Some of them might have needed a push, like the Ki-100, but I can't imagine why he'd lower the P-47N altitude? (Stock is 42k I think).

Even with the stock stats though, the P-47N is top dog by a fair margin. Altitude can be beaten, but most Allied players don't use the best airframes on CAP duty often anyway. Their resting for the next sweep.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/16/2017 8:20:45 PM

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These stats are not stock stats.

P-47N in stock is limited to 42K (pretty sure). Ki-83 is not limited to 36600 in stock.

I've been talking about stock stats this whole time, so if yours are different, then just cross out everything I said .

Just grabbed them from the first game I was in. I'll look in stock too.

It's interesting all of the changes Symon made to airframes for DBB that ALL seem to enhance Japanese airframes. Some of them might have needed a push, like the Ki-100, but I can't imagine why he'd lower the P-47N altitude? (Stock is 42k I think).

Even with the stock stats though, the P-47N is top dog by a fair margin. Altitude can be beaten, but most Allied players don't use the best airframes on CAP duty often anyway. Their resting for the next sweep.

In stock, the Ki-83 can out-altitude any Allied aircraft (except perhaps the P-38J with its 44,000) if I'm remembering correctly. Combined with its 438mph top speed and dive bonus... and really, its not-awful maneuver and extremely accurate CL cannons... It can be murderous.

I might not be remembering the stock altitude correctly, as Wikipedia says the service ceiling was 41,500.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/17/2017 6:53:35 AM

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These stats are not stock stats.

P-47N in stock is limited to 42K (pretty sure). Ki-83 is not limited to 36600 in stock.

I've been talking about stock stats this whole time, so if yours are different, then just cross out everything I said .

Just grabbed them from the first game I was in. I'll look in stock too.

It's interesting all of the changes Symon made to airframes for DBB that ALL seem to enhance Japanese airframes. Some of them might have needed a push, like the Ki-100, but I can't imagine why he'd lower the P-47N altitude? (Stock is 42k I think).

Even with the stock stats though, the P-47N is top dog by a fair margin. Altitude can be beaten, but most Allied players don't use the best airframes on CAP duty often anyway. Their resting for the next sweep.

In stock, the Ki-83 can out-altitude any Allied aircraft (except perhaps the P-38J with its 44,000) if I'm remembering correctly. Combined with its 438mph top speed and dive bonus... and really, its not-awful maneuver and extremely accurate CL cannons... It can be murderous.

I might not be remembering the stock altitude correctly, as Wikipedia says the service ceiling was 41,500.

Here are the two form stock. And ... wiki is right!

It does have a high ceiling, though, and truthfully it's tough to fly CAP at 42k every day. Not many players would have their P-47N groups on CAP at 42k just waiting for max sweeps.

I think the Randy Ia does 44k. So that can top the P-47N.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/17/2017 2:19:54 PM

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Since very few planes were ever operated at their max altitude, most planes flew like sputtering trucks that far up, my HR limits operations at the 2nd best altitude ban +1K. That would leave the Ki-83 at 33K and since the P-47N has no 2nd best ban it can operate all the way up to 42K.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/17/2017 6:46:26 PM

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It look like this game may be on hold again. After some discussion Joe has decided continuing might be too much right now. He's dealing with a lot of RL stuff and this is a pretty demanding time as Allies.

So ... I'm still interested in continuing.

If there is anyone who wants to pickup to any time in the last 6 months (I have all of the turn files so can go back easily) and play an endgame, let me know.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/17/2017 6:49:44 PM

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Eric, you might check with Joe. He wrote in his AAR that you terminated the game. I'm not sure he meant that...or perhaps he misunderstood something. He's pretty addled, I think, by developments in the game.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/17/2017 7:02:52 PM

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Oh, man, I would love to pick up the game, but I can't keep up with what I have right now.

Can you send me the files if indeed it is a drop. I would love to look at it from the Allied POV.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 8/17/2017 7:03:23 PM

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Eric, you might check with Joe. He wrote in his AAR that you terminated the game. I'm not sure he meant that...or perhaps he misunderstood something. He's pretty addled, I think, by developments in the game.

We've been back and forth a few times by email already. It's been a good discussion with no animosity, just some revelations about his personal life and where he's at in relation to the game. I was originally frustrated and asked to call it off if he felt so wronged each time something good happened for the Japanese. We've had some discussions in the past about this and the slow pace of the game, which has been in virtual stasis for about a year game time.

I reacted but came back to ask that he continue if he felt he wanted to, asI'm still interested and I really value his efforts and his camaraderie. We've actually had a good few years of exchanges, but when the game turns he also turns, and it seems like it's been weighing on him.

He made the decision in the end to pull away form the game, at least for a while, and I understand with the RL things he's dealing with. He's a competitor, and it's tough if he isn't competing at the level he wants and expects to due to other things happening.

We'll probably have a phone conversation soon to just chat. I hope this doesn't mean he backs out of the forum community, as he's been such a part of it for so long. He said his heart is still in it but his mind is telling him it's not the right thing to continue just now.

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