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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/7/2018 11:03:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		An interesting comparison of info screens from today and almost two weeks before.

The Allies have picked up a couple of bases (in Cent Pac I think) and the Japanese might have a few that need supply top-ups, as the points went down quite a lot. I'll have a look at that as it's the main area of gains toward the Allied VP ratio.

Air Losses are about equal, but the number of 4Es lost push the numbers up a bit.

The Allies have lost at least 36 ships for 483 VPs since invading Ketoi-Jima, and probably a few dozen more once they are admitted lost. The Japanese also lost about 40 ships, but mostly small fry and subs, for only 200 VPs.

The Allie lost 273 army device VPs, which is nice. The Japanese only lost 52 VPs.




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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/10/2018 3:01:28 PM   
obvert


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Big sweeps again on the 19th, but over Sapporo this time. The Allies get a slight advantage with the Corsairs, but the P-47s and Mustangs end up even and Hellcats end up negative to balance it out.

The retreat from Toungoo goes smoothly, with no extra units caught behind. This battle was a really positive way of wearing down some Allies units, attriting Allied bomber pools and buying time with virtually no losses to Japanese forces.

On the day air losses are nearly even, and again, over Sapporo, so only 26 Japanese pilots lost KIA or MIA.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 19, 1944
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TF 521 encounters mine field at Ketoi-jima (134,50) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

10 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
YMS-246, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
YMS-241, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

1st Base Force firing at YMS-246
14 mines cleared

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 15
J2M5 Jack x 29
N1K2-J George x 3
N1K5-J George x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 71
Ki-84b Frank x 24

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 14
J2M5 Jack x 24
N1K2-J George x 3
N1K5-J George x 13
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 69
Ki-84b Frank x 23

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 38,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 12
J2M5 Jack x 22
N1K2-J George x 3
N1K5-J George x 13
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 64
Ki-84b Frank x 18

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 42,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 8
J2M5 Jack x 21
N1K2-J George x 3
N1K5-J George x 10
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 55
Ki-84b Frank x 15

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 3
J2M5 Jack x 20
N1K2-J George x 2
N1K5-J George x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 51
Ki-84b Frank x 14

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 3 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 40,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 2
J2M5 Jack x 18
N1K2-J George x 2
N1K5-J George x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 45
Ki-84b Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 39,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 2
J2M5 Jack x 18
N1K2-J George x 2
N1K5-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 34
Ki-84b Frank x 11

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 37300 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 39,800 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 2
J2M5 Jack x 16
N1K2-J George x 1
N1K5-J George x 5
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 28
Ki-84b Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x F4U-1 Corsair sweeping at 36800 feet

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Ground combat at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1596 troops, 42 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 1826

Defending force 44541 troops, 486 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 1089

Japanese ground losses:
303 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 16 (9 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (10 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Assaulting units:
XI Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
3rd Marine Division
8th Australian Division
1st Army Tank Regiment
5th USMC Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
5th Australian Division
1st Regiment
237th USN Base Force
148th Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Medium Regiment
Provisional GMC Grp

Defending units:
71st Division
36th Ind.Mixed Brigade
11th Ind.Mixed Regiment
45th Ind.Mixed Brigade
85th Naval Guard Unit
109th Div /1
34th Const Co
1st Base Force
5th RF Gun Battalion
49th Mountain Gun Regiment
25th Special Base Force
3rd FF Const Unit
11th RF Gun Bn /1


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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/10/2018 5:12:02 PM   
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On the 20th the Allies continued to pound Ketoi-jima from the air. Lots of 2E B-25 and Venura runs, and a big 4E strike as well.

The sweeping actions moved south as the Allies took the bait at Chang Mai. I'd had my Southern air force stationed there for a good few days, getting stronger and more rested, and finally a few sweeps came in. Only two P-47 groups, and they didn't do well. The Japanese win today's minor action decisively. About 20 P-47s shot down fora only 12 Japanese planes lost.

The Toungoo force will settle in the jungle rough hex just South of that base and dig in. I'll move the partial division, brigade and the SNLF I'd added in back to Pegu since the three divisions and arty should be able to handle this defence easily for a long time, and they're much more durable than the smaller units. I'll have to feel out the right time to move back to Pegu and Rangoon, and I think it's not too far away. I'd like to see if the Allies try any more attacks on the front lines before that happens though. Pegu does have 6 forts and lots of AA so should hold as well as Prome did recently, and this side of the valley has the weaker Allied force.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 20, 1944
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Afternoon Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 34
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 23
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 20
Ki-84b Frank x 18
Ki-100-I Tony x 23

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 31
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 21
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 20
Ki-84b Frank x 17
Ki-100-I Tony x 22

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 6 destroyed

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 35089 troops, 692 guns, 512 vehicles, Assault Value = 710

Defending force 65285 troops, 663 guns, 416 vehicles, Assault Value = 1496

Japanese ground losses:
102 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
22nd (East African) Brigade
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
11th Indian Division
9th Indian Division
150th RAC Regiment
72nd British Brigade
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XV Indian Corps
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
6th Medium Regiment
249th Field Artillery Battalion
86th Coast AA Regiment
101st Heavy AA Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
181st Field Artillery Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
108th Division
2nd Guards Division
16th Division
21st Division
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
26th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
3rd RF Gun Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
115th AA Regiment
125th AA Regiment
12th Air Defense AA Battalion
16th Army
57th Field AA Battalion
56th Field AA Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
53rd Const Co
Burma Area Army
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
62nd JAAF AF Bn

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/10/2018 10:32:39 PM   
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Big bombardments hit Ketoi preceding a DA, but only by the tanks it seems. It doesn't lower forts, but does disable about 60 infantry squads. Looks like all of his armor might be out of action now.

Massive sweeps at Chang Mai leave the Allies slightly ahead, but with big losses. The pools of P-51B and P-47D2 have to be getting low now. The Spit VIII continues to be tough, but a good number shot down on the day too.

I've decided to stay here instead of pulling back this time. See what happens tomorrow.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 21, 1944
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Night Naval bombardment of Ketoi-jima at 134,50 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 damaged

10 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Alabama
BC Renown
CA Vincennes
CA Quincy
CL Raleigh, Shell hits 2
DD Twining
DD Trathen
DD Tingey
DD The Sullivans
DD Thatcher
DD Stockham
DD Gatling
DD Erben

Japanese ground losses:
318 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 20
Port hits 4
Port supply hits 2

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Alabama
BB Alabama firing at 71st Division

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 61
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 23
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 20
Ki-84b Frank x 40
Ki-100-I Tony x 23

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 43,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 61
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 23
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-84a Frank x 20
Ki-84b Frank x 39
Ki-100-I Tony x 23

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 56
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 22
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 20
Ki-84a Frank x 18
Ki-84b Frank x 37
Ki-100-I Tony x 21

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 49
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 17
Ki-84a Frank x 16
Ki-84b Frank x 36
Ki-100-I Tony x 18

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 11 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 43
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 11
Ki-84b Frank x 31
Ki-100-I Tony x 15

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 36
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 9
Ki-84b Frank x 30
Ki-100-I Tony x 13

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 34
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 15
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 5
Ki-84b Frank x 28
Ki-100-I Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
P-40N5 Warhawk x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N5 Warhawk: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 32
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 4
Ki-84b Frank x 26
Ki-100-I Tony x 9

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 61 NM, estimated altitude 41,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 28
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 3
Ki-84b Frank x 17
Ki-100-I Tony x 6

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 41500 feet
6 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 41500 feet
5 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 41500 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 53 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 19
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-100-I Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 6 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Ground combat at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13398 troops, 55 guns, 671 vehicles, Assault Value = 1867

Defending force 45389 troops, 496 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 1101

Allied adjusted assault: 207

Japanese adjusted defense: 2097

Allied assault odds: 1 to 10 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
592 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled

Allied ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 52 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 24 disabled
Guns lost 7 (6 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 74 (32 destroyed, 42 disabled)

Assaulting units:
5th USMC Tank Battalion
5th Australian Division
1st Army Tank Regiment
8th Australian Division
4th Marine Division
706th Tank Battalion
XI Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
3rd Marine Division
1st Regiment
4th Field Artillery Battalion
148th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Medium Regiment
237th USN Base Force
Provisional GMC Grp

Defending units:
45th Ind.Mixed Brigade
36th Ind.Mixed Brigade
85th Naval Guard Unit
71st Division
11th Ind.Mixed Regiment
109th Div /1
3rd FF Const Unit
49th Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Base Force
5th RF Gun Battalion
34th Const Co
25th Special Base Force
11th RF Gun Bn /1
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This screen is incomplete here, but you get the idea. George and Frank losses are highest, while the Tojo soldiers on.




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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/11/2018 7:57:12 AM   
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The Allies attack again at Ketoi-jima. The engineers drop the forts to 3 and that more than anything is making this now a precarious position. The Allied forces did lose another chuck, with significant vehicle and infantry losses. With no army HQ in the hex (or near) I'm hoping the losses are hard to make up and the overstacking is a problem. I can't tell from my end now if it really is though. The Allies are attacking frequently, so either he's running these troops into the ground, or they're doing better than I'd hoped.

At Chang Mai the Allies keep coming as well, and his groups are depleted and end up not doing as well this day as the Japanese keep up the effective low CAP. Curious if he keeps going tomorrow, or if he can? Of the 160 planes that swept or LR CAPed Chang Mai today about 65 were shot down, and the groups were definitely not full strength. Our CAP should be okay, with about 150 fighters operational for tomorrow.

Dan's style is to go hard continually, and the late war Allies can handle this for some time, but I'm curious how long. How are his pilot pools? How are the airframe pools of the top fighters? If two of his best Marine divisions are on Ketoi-jima, what is prepped for the other Kuriles, or for Hokkaido bases?

At this point for me it's all about time, attrition of the production-limited Allied airframe pools, thinning of the best Allied pilots in the bomber and fighter pools, and weakening of strategic bombing assets. I haven't seen the B-29s in a long while, since they hit Paramushiro and lost some 15-20 for essentially delaying that base getting to level 7 forts (which will happen this week).

I'm hoping for more Kurile invasions, because even if they take out some troops, the Allies lose precious time and assets by taking them, and they're not bombing the industry or airframe production. Since June 6th when they landed at Shikuka the strat bombing VPs have levelled off and sit just above 3k (at 3,066) now in mid-October.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 22, 1944
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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 25
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 38
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 39
Ki-84a Frank x 19
Ki-84b Frank x 11
Ki-100-I Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 15
Spitfire VIII x 8
Thunderbolt I x 5
P-51B Mustang x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed
P-51B Mustang: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 46,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 25
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 37
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 35
Ki-84a Frank x 19
Ki-84b Frank x 11
Ki-100-I Tony x 14

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 8
Spitfire VIII x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
Spitfire VIII: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 41500 feet

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 46,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 24
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 34
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 26
Ki-84a Frank x 18
Ki-84b Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 12

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 45,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 21
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 31
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 24
Ki-84a Frank x 17
Ki-84b Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 11

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 20
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 28
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 15
Ki-84b Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 10
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 15
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3
P-51B Mustang x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 4 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
P-51B Mustang: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Thunderbolt I sweeping at 42000 feet
4 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
2 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 18
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 17
Ki-84a Frank x 11
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-100-I Tony x 9

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 14
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
3 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 12
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 13
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 13
Ki-84a Frank x 10
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-100-I Tony x 9

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 5
P-51B Mustang x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 12
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 10
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-100-I Tony x 8

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 39881 troops, 739 guns, 824 vehicles, Assault Value = 3047

Defending force 60511 troops, 588 guns, 401 vehicles, Assault Value = 1408

Japanese ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
14th Indian Division
11th Indian Division
22nd (East African) Brigade
72nd British Brigade
9th Indian Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
150th RAC Regiment
6th Australian Division
50th Tank Brigade
2nd British Division
6th Chinese Corps
2/9th Field Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XV Indian Corps
101st Heavy AA Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
168th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
86th Coast AA Regiment
181st Field Artillery Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Guards Division
21st Division
16th Division
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
26th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
12th Air Defense AA Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th RF Gun Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Burma Area Army
115th AA Regiment
16th Army
3rd RF Gun Battalion
56th Field AA Battalion
125th AA Regiment
53rd Const Co
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
62nd JAAF AF Bn

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Ground combat at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42833 troops, 525 guns, 904 vehicles, Assault Value = 1816

Defending force 44688 troops, 496 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 1048

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 300

Japanese adjusted defense: 2323

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
660 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 69 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2536 casualties reported
Squads: 39 destroyed, 162 disabled
Non Combat: 40 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 65 disabled
Guns lost 37 (6 destroyed, 31 disabled)
Vehicles lost 135 (67 destroyed, 68 disabled)

Assaulting units:
706th Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
8th Australian Division
3rd Marine Division
5th USMC Tank Battalion
5th Australian Division
XI Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
1st Army Tank Regiment
1st Regiment
237th USN Base Force
4th Field Artillery Battalion
148th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Medium Regiment
Provisional GMC Grp

Defending units:
11th Ind.Mixed Regiment
85th Naval Guard Unit
71st Division
45th Ind.Mixed Brigade
36th Ind.Mixed Brigade
109th Div /1
49th Mountain Gun Regiment
25th Special Base Force
5th RF Gun Battalion
1st Base Force
34th Const Co
3rd FF Const Unit
11th RF Gun Bn /1

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/11/2018 9:14:00 AM   
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... I'm hoping ... and the overstacking is a problem. I can't tell from my end now if it really is though...



...Ground combat at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

... Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42833 troops, 525 guns, 904 vehicles, Assault Value = 1816

Defending force 44688 troops, 496 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 1048

...Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

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Those troop numbers at Ketoi should not be a significant problem for the Allies. Overstacking a hex by 10-15% is not usually a major handicap. The increase in supply consumption is not that big that it imposes a significant strain on the supply movement routines. You need to be around the 35-50% overstacking level for it to be a significant strain on the standard routines. The CR shows there is no current supply malus associated with the current standard combat operations.

Where the 10-15% overstacking level is most likely to have an impact is on the ability of LCUs to take reinforcements. Here this is not relevant because the combat is on an island not owned by the Allies and with no "overland" link back to an Allied supply depot. As such the LCUs themselves will not contain the excess supply to permit the "buy" of replacement devices. Because there is no overland link back to an Allied supply depot what is critical is the ability of the Allies to regularly drop supply on to the beach or via paradrop. If the Allies can do that, they can easily cope with the extra supply consumption resulting from a 10-15% overstacking.

To win the battle of Ketoi Japan must prevent the resupply of the Allied troops. Grinding down the Allied AV by itself will not suffice as it can very quickly recover upon receipt of supply.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/11/2018 9:33:44 AM   
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... I'm hoping ... and the overstacking is a problem. I can't tell from my end now if it really is though...



...Ground combat at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

... Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42833 troops, 525 guns, 904 vehicles, Assault Value = 1816

Defending force 44688 troops, 496 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 1048

...Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

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Those troop numbers at Ketoi should not be a significant problem for the Allies. Overstacking a hex by 10-15% is not usually a major handicap. The increase in supply consumption is not that big that it imposes a significant strain on the supply movement routines. You need to be around the 35-50% overstacking level for it to be a significant strain on the standard routines. The CR shows there is no current supply malus associated with the current standard combat operations.

Where the 10-15% overstacking level is most likely to have an impact is on the ability of LCUs to take reinforcements. Here this is not relevant because the combat is on an island not owned by the Allies and with no "overland" link back to an Allied supply depot. As such the LCUs themselves will not contain the excess supply to permit the "buy" of replacement devices. Because there is no overland link back to an Allied supply depot what is critical is the ability of the Allies to regularly drop supply on to the beach or via paradrop. If the Allies can do that, they can easily cope with the extra supply consumption resulting from a 10-15% overstacking.

To win the battle of Ketoi Japan must prevent the resupply of the Allied troops. Grinding down the Allied AV by itself will not suffice as it can very quickly recover upon receipt of supply.

Alfred


I counted all stacking for units involved (from another Allied game where they were at full TOE) and originally it was at least 20% overstacking (72k), but it may have reduced now as battles have taken their toll.

It won't be possible to stop resupply, as that would mean stopping the DS from sitting 1-2 hexes from the base. I didn't expect to win, but to possibly force reinforcement or more time to be taken than allocated for this op. He's chosen to go for one island presumably to reduce a threat to the LOC. I think only the lack of DS protection is a threat to his LOC, as I can't strike if it's in the neighbourhood.

It's going much faster than I'd like now, unfortunately. The presence of Shikuka and its bombing will make these battles faster in range, but hopefully will also deplete forces that wold otherwise be used for taking on the Home Islands proper. None of it is working on the economy of Japan right now, and that is the main key for me. The defence of the Kuriles is essentially the defence of the Marianas misplaced. I reinforced hoping he'd want to work on the area to secure his hold on the North, and so far so good. I'll take losses, but still may gain some time. We'll see.

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Not disputing your choices, merely pointing out game mechanics so that you don't suffer a misplaced level of confidence.

It is standard MO for your opponent to pack together multiple invasion forces within the same mass flotilla of ships.  One base will be invaded first and if everything is under control the other multiple invasion forces are then dropped off at the nearby enemy islands.  It would be consistent with this MO that the intention was to capture Ketoi and other Kurile islands using this mass flotilla of ships.  Finding stronger defences at Ketoi than perhaps anticipated he has dropped off onto Ketoi the other invasion forces.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/11/2018 11:58:17 AM   
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obvert,

Not disputing your choices, merely pointing out game mechanics so that you don't suffer a misplaced level of confidence.

It is standard MO for your opponent to pack together multiple invasion forces within the same mass flotilla of ships.  One base will be invaded first and if everything is under control the other multiple invasion forces are then dropped off at the nearby enemy islands.  It would be consistent with this MO that the intention was to capture Ketoi and other Kurile islands using this mass flotilla of ships.  Finding stronger defences at Ketoi than perhaps anticipated he has dropped off onto Ketoi the other invasion forces.

Alfred  


Could be.

I am certainly not confident about this one, but I am defiant that I want to cause some problems for the kitchen sink tactical choice.

The Frank Ki-84r is about to arrive and push production up as well, so Frank numbers should stabilise soon, and the Ki-83 is not far off. If he does take Ketoi, some possibilities will arise for sweeping too. Looking forward to that.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/11/2018 2:04:15 PM   
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I am certainly not confident about this one, but I am defiant that I want to cause some problems for the kitchen sink tactical choice.



Best defense I have read about against the kitchen sink attack...remember they landed June 6th, 1944 and you have bought a lot of time and inflicted a lot of damage while maintaining your striking force & economy.

Well done.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/12/2018 1:20:30 PM   
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HQ pairing - I wonder why there doesn't seem to be a pairing of Corp/Army HQs with a Command HQ. I would have brought three Command HQs to Sakhalin initially. Dan should have 4 to 6 Corp/Army HQs in theater.


He most likely has a bunch, but no HQs in the landing, so none other than a Command HQ that could be in range.

They could also be planning for some of he major landings later, if he is planning for places on Honshu, Hokkaido or other deep bases.

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Status: offline 		One thing I didn't yet mention about the last turn that is now somewhat worrying, has to do with the massive stack suddenly at the holding hex near Toungoo. Dan had kept a lot in reserve or was just moving them around and up to the front it seems. There is a much bigger stack than anticipated now, of about 3,200AV. My divisions are dug in, and should be able to hold for a few attacks, but they need help fast.

I'd like to get a tank division in here since there are Chinese present, and see how they do. If I can get to 2,000AV quickly I should be able to stabilise and retreat on my terms. If I leave these troops they're now in danger of a massive defeat.

I have two more divisions in reserve and a tank division I can move, and I'll bring a lot more AA into the hex.



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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/15/2018 12:54:51 AM   
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I am certainly not confident about this one, but I am defiant that I want to cause some problems for the kitchen sink tactical choice.



Best defense I have read about against the kitchen sink attack...remember they landed June 6th, 1944 and you have bought a lot of time and inflicted a lot of damage while maintaining your striking force & economy.

Well done.



+1

4 Months, coming on 5 months? Yeah, great job of stalling the initiative here.


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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/15/2018 10:29:11 AM   
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It is standard MO for your opponent to pack together multiple invasion forces within the same mass flotilla of ships.  One base will be invaded first and if everything is under control the other multiple invasion forces are then dropped off at the nearby enemy islands.  It would be consistent with this MO that the intention was to capture Ketoi and other Kurile islands using this mass flotilla of ships.  Finding stronger defences at Ketoi than perhaps anticipated he has dropped off onto Ketoi the other invasion forces.

Would not dropping LCUs prepared for other islands on Ketoi-jima cause massive disablements? It would be a counterproductive tactic.

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HQ pairing - I wonder why there doesn't seem to be a pairing of Corp/Army HQs with a Command HQ. I would have brought three Command HQs to Sakhalin initially. Dan should have 4 to 6 Corp/Army HQs in theater.

He most likely has a bunch, but no HQs in the landing, so none other than a Command HQ that could be in range.

There is no Allied bases in 9 hex range so it looks like Command HQ influence is not available. Not having a HQ in place of invasion (preferrably both Army/Corps and Command) is a major oversight indeed

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There is no Allied bases in 9 hex range so it looks like Command HQ influence is not available. Not having a HQ in place of invasion (preferrably both Army/Corps and Command) is a major oversight indeed


What about a possible amphibious HQ on an AGC?

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There is no Allied bases in 9 hex range so it looks like Command HQ influence is not available. Not having a HQ in place of invasion (preferrably both Army/Corps and Command) is a major oversight indeed


What about a possible amphibious HQ on an AGC?



I believe Amphibious Force HQs only provide embarking benefits like reductions in losses, disruption and disablements and don't provide a combat bonus.

I have never tested to see if an unloaded Corps or Army HQ in the same or adjacent hex provides a combat benefit. Would be nice if they did, as then you wouldn't have to accommodate their stacking capacity on the fly speck islands in order to get the combat bonuses.

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I believe Amphibious Force HQs only provide embarking benefits like reductions in losses, disruption and disablements and don't provide a combat bonus.



Wow. If that's the case, it really limits their usefulness. Do you have first hand corroboration of this?

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I believe Amphibious Force HQs only provide embarking benefits like reductions in losses, disruption and disablements and don't provide a combat bonus.



Wow. If that's the case, it really limits their usefulness. Do you have first hand corroboration of this?



Nope

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I believe Amphibious Force HQs only provide embarking benefits like reductions in losses, disruption and disablements and don't provide a combat bonus.



Wow. If that's the case, it really limits their usefulness. Do you have first hand corroboration of this?

I don't recall if they provide a combat bonus, but for tough invasions those things we know they provide are EXTREMELY beneficial.

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I believe Amphibious Force HQs only provide embarking benefits like reductions in losses, disruption and disablements and don't provide a combat bonus.

Wow. If that's the case, it really limits their usefulness. Do you have first hand corroboration of this?

here http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2613158

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I believe Amphibious Force HQs only provide embarking benefits like reductions in losses, disruption and disablements and don't provide a combat bonus.



Wow. If that's the case, it really limits their usefulness. Do you have first hand corroboration of this?


That is in fact the case, and I still find them extremely useful.

You only get 3 in the whole war. That's only 1 invasion with the bonus every month.

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Interesting discussion on the HQs and Amphibious HQs. I'm very curious if he had all of these units prepped for Ketoi-Jima. If so, that'a a lot (5 divisions + the tanks and engineers and arty). If not, he did manage to much of it on fairly intact, even with active CD guns.

The 23rd has little action. The KB makes it through the gauntlet of Allied subs it seems, though, and will be at Yokohama shortly. I'll have Kasagi and Aka back soon, and most likely won't do anything else daring until then.

On the 24th the Allies attack in the North and the South. Near Tougoo the big stack strikes and gets only a 1:2, but does get roughly even disablements, which works in the favour of the bigger army. Reinforcements are on the way, at which point the retreat will begin. This is time to consolidate Bruma around Rangoon for a bit, then back further around Moulmein.

At Ketoi the Allies get only a 1:3, which disables and destroys a good number of Allied infantry, engineers and armor. Nice!

This is still looking difficult, but results like this are heartening, especially after two major BB bombardments led the way.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 23, 1944
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Sub attack near Chichi-jima at 119,73

Japanese Ships
E No.51, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
E No.61

Allied Ships
SS Amberjack

SS Amberjack launches 6 torpedoes at E No.51

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Morning Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 13
Ki-84a Frank x 16
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-100-I Tony x 22

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 23, 1944
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Afternoon Air attack on Chiang Mai , at 58,53

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 48,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 13
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 18
Ki-84a Frank x 18
Ki-84b Frank x 8
Ki-100-I Tony x 22

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 3
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 112213 troops, 1425 guns, 1385 vehicles, Assault Value = 3188

Defending force 59384 troops, 561 guns, 399 vehicles, Assault Value = 1371

Allied adjusted assault: 1248

Japanese adjusted defense: 2829

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3791 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 211 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 60 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 31 disabled
Guns lost 123 (12 destroyed, 111 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (4 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1924 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 203 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 39 disabled
Guns lost 41 (2 destroyed, 39 disabled)
Vehicles lost 80 (7 destroyed, 73 disabled)

Assaulting units:
150th RAC Regiment
2nd British Division
22nd (East African) Brigade
268th Motorised Brigade
72nd British Brigade
50th Tank Brigade
11th Indian Division
9th Indian Division
6th Australian Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
14th Indian Division
6th Chinese Corps
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
181st Field Artillery Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
168th Field Artillery Regiment
XV Indian Corps
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
101st Heavy AA Regiment
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
86th Coast AA Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Guards Division
16th Division
21st Division
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
115th AA Regiment
8th RF Gun Battalion
12th Air Defense AA Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
16th Army
53rd Const Co
Burma Area Army
56th Field AA Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
125th AA Regiment
62nd JAAF AF Bn

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Ground combat at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36614 troops, 349 guns, 670 vehicles, Assault Value = 1615

Defending force 43467 troops, 494 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 967

Allied adjusted assault: 317

Japanese adjusted defense: 989

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
486 casualties reported
Squads: 49 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 20 (8 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3065 casualties reported
Squads: 103 destroyed, 132 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 80 disabled
Engineers: 23 destroyed, 86 disabled
Guns lost 44 (9 destroyed, 35 disabled)
Vehicles lost 67 (5 destroyed, 62 disabled)

Assaulting units:
5th Australian Division
XI Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
3rd Marine Division
8th Australian Division
4th Marine Division
1st Army Tank Regiment
706th Tank Battalion
5th USMC Tank Battalion
1st Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment
237th USN Base Force
4th Field Artillery Battalion
148th Field Artillery Battalion
Provisional GMC Grp

Defending units:
85th Naval Guard Unit
45th Ind.Mixed Brigade
11th Ind.Mixed Regiment
36th Ind.Mixed Brigade
71st Division
109th Div /1
3rd FF Const Unit
49th Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Base Force
25th Special Base Force
34th Const Co
5th RF Gun Battalion
11th RF Gun Bn /1

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

I believe Amphibious Force HQs only provide embarking benefits like reductions in losses, disruption and disablements and don't provide a combat bonus.



Wow. If that's the case, it really limits their usefulness. Do you have first hand corroboration of this?


That is in fact the case, and I still find them extremely useful.

You only get 3 in the whole war. That's only 1 invasion with the bonus every month.


OK. Learn something new every day. Thanks for the follow up on this, guys.

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Are you flying in reinforcements and / or supplies to Ketoi or the other Kuriles at this time?

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Obvert,

Are you flying in reinforcements and / or supplies to Ketoi or the other Kuriles at this time?


That's the goal, but he's kept the DS within 1-2 hexes of Ketoi-jima with fighters successfully intercepting transports. The fields are also closed, so it's impossible now to use the more numerous and very effective Tabbys.

I'll try to pick a moment if I can when it's moved back.


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Sorry for the lack of updates lately. Not only is it the end of the school year, with associated extra business to have grades in, clean up and make final arrangements for the year, but it's a bit of party time too! In addition, my daughter has developed a case of chicken pox. She's being a trooper so far, so fingers crossed.

Got away for a bit of dad time on father's day here, and in addition to turns want to do some quick updates.

Ketoi is getting pounded from all directions right now. It also looks like the Allies have installed a new division, the USA 6th division. One of the Aussie IDs was removed. So the CD guns are having minimal effect by now, the mines are being swept, the midgets have accomplished nothing, and today a LR CAP over the island was crushed. Not by the sweeps, but by the escorts of the bombers. Damn. That's late war Japan for ya. Even decent moves can turn out badly.

In the South the Japanese air forces make up for it though, and jump the constant daily milk run of 300+ bombers near Toungoo. Maybe 40 2E and a good number of 4E and fighters lost. So on the day the Japanese come out slightly ahead, and luckily, with battle over our troops, not many pilots lost anywhere.

On the 26th the CAP in Burma suffers but gets a few more bombers, and the Allies launch a new amphibious assault; at Port Blair!!

This is a signal, one of the red flags for me that indicate a moment to move back from central Burma. The large attacks on the Toungoo side are wearing the defenders down but it looks like they can't break through, which is good. Reinforcements will make it and all will then turn and race to Pegu. All traps in the big stacks on the Prome side will also run to Rangoon. Once there, the freshest troops will aim to hold as the tired and disabled move back to Moulmein. Then all will shift back and force the Allies to decide on whether they want to do a large stack river crossing. I'll probably cede Rangoon without a fights, which I hate to do, but it makes sense in the larger scheme of things. It's now about delay and getting troops out without being either pushed back or encircled.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 25, 1944
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TF 220 encounters mine field at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

Allied Ships
AM Adroit
PC Travis

29 mines cleared

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Pre-Invasion action off Ketoi-jima (134,50)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

447 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LCI-65, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
PC Travis
LCI(G)-405
LCI(G)-406
LCI(G)-404
LCI(G)-403
LCI(G)-401
LCI(G)-366
LCI(G)-365
LCI(G)-78
LCI(G)-77
LCI(G)-76
LCI-70
LCI-69
LCI-68
LCI-66
LCI-83
AM Adroit
LCI-219
LCI-216
LCI-85
LCI-221

Japanese ground losses:
470 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
291 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

12cm 10YT DP Gun Battery engaging LCI-65 at 7,000 yards
Massive explosion on LCI-65

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TF 455 encounters mine field at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

Allied Ships
AM Zeal
AM Herald
AM Revenge
PF Bisbee, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

38 mines cleared


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Pre-Invasion action off Ketoi-jima (134,50)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

71 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LCI-61, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PF Bisbee, heavy damage
PC Kimball
LCI(G)-466
LCI(G)-465
LCI(G)-464
LCI(G)-463
LCI(G)-462
LCI(G)-408
LCI(G)-407
LCI-64
LST-27
LST-25, Shell hits 4, on fire
LST-23, Shell hits 2
LST-26
LST-28

Japanese ground losses:
380 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

12cm 10YT DP Gun Battery engaging LCI-61 at 5,000 yards

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Pre-Invasion action off Ketoi-jima (134,50)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

385 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Idaho
APA Monrovia
DD Blue II

Japanese ground losses:
117 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
232 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

BB Idaho firing at 71st Division

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Amphibious Assault at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

TF 447 troops unloading over beach at Ketoi-jima, 134,50

Allied ground losses:
207 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 21 (0 destroyed, 21 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (0 destroyed, 14 disabled)

15 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 6th Infantry Div /14

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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 56,51 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 12
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 16
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-100-I Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 6
Liberator B.VI x 4
B-24J Liberator x 6
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9
B-25H Mitchell x 4
B-25J11 Mitchell x 10
P-40N5 Warhawk x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
Liberator B.VI: 2 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-40N5 Warhawk: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 13000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Burma Area Army, at 56,51 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 4
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 3
Ki-84b Frank x 3
Ki-100-I Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 10
B-25H Mitchell x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 13000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 16th Division, at 56,51 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 10 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 13000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 38,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 20
N1K2-J George x 27
N1K5-J George x 16
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 19
Ki-84a Frank x 23

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 4
F4U-1A Corsair x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 6 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 4 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 20
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 13
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 19

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 8
Liberator B.VI x 19
Liberator GR.VI x 7
B-24D1 Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 45
P-38L Lightning x 27
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 32
P-51B Mustang x 3
F6F-5 Hellcat x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 8 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
Liberator B.VI: 2 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 4 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 21 damaged
P-38L Lightning: 3 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 18 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 16th Division, at 56,51 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 8
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-100-I Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
B-25J1 Mitchell x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J1 Mitchell: 3 destroyed

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Ground combat at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14285 troops, 235 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 899

Defending force 72798 troops, 913 guns, 1493 vehicles, Assault Value = 1697

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
11th Ind.Mixed Regiment
85th Naval Guard Unit
36th Ind.Mixed Brigade
71st Division
45th Ind.Mixed Brigade
109th Div /1
49th Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Base Force
3rd FF Const Unit
25th Special Base Force
34th Const Co
5th RF Gun Battalion
11th RF Gun Bn /1

Defending units:
706th Tank Battalion
XI Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
112th Cavalry Regiment
4th Marine Division
8th Australian Division
3rd Marine Division
1st Army Tank Regiment
6th Infantry Division
5th USMC Tank Battalion
1st Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment
148th Field Artillery Battalion
237th USN Base Force
4th Field Artillery Battalion
Provisional GMC Grp

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 26, 1944
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Submarine attack near Ketoi-jima at 134,50

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-25

Allied Ships
LCI(G)-407, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

SSX Ha-25 is sighted by LCI(G)-407
SSX Ha-25 launches 2 torpedoes

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Morning Air attack on Burma Area Army, at 56,51 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 13
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 13
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-100-I Tony x 11

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Burma Area Army, at 56,51 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 41,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 7
Ki-84b Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1
P-38L Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P-38L Lightning sweeping at 40000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 16th Division, at 56,51 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1
Liberator B.VI x 2
B-24J Liberator x 16
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9
B-25H Mitchell x 3
B-25J11 Mitchell x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 12 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25J11 Mitchell bombing from 13000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Port Blair (46,58)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2993 troops, 12 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 104

Defending force 4478 troops, 90 guns, 68 vehicles, Assault Value = 259

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
2nd South Seas Det.
92nd JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
82nd (West African) Div /4
11th PAVO Rgt /5
475th USA Regiment
Lushai Bde /2
1st Indian Medium Regiment
159th USA Base Force /2

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 117725 troops, 1569 guns, 1606 vehicles, Assault Value = 2981

Defending force 57230 troops, 552 guns, 397 vehicles, Assault Value = 1175

Allied adjusted assault: 882

Japanese adjusted defense: 1949

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1456 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 233 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 28 disabled
Guns lost 84 (42 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 34 (1 destroyed, 33 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2813 casualties reported
Squads: 44 destroyed, 213 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 69 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 47 disabled
Guns lost 44 (2 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 44 (1 destroyed, 43 disabled)

Assaulting units:
9th Indian Division
268th Motorised Brigade
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
150th RAC Regiment
14th Indian Division
2nd British Division
6th Australian Division
11th Indian Division
72nd British Brigade
22nd (East African) Brigade
50th Tank Brigade
6th Chinese Corps
86th Coast AA Regiment
18th SP Field Artillery Regiment
249th Field Artillery Battalion
87th Medium Regiment
XV Indian Corps
85th Medium Regiment
101st Heavy AA Regiment
181st Field Artillery Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
6th Medium Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
2/9th Field Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
21st Division
2nd Guards Division
16th Division
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
Burma Area Army
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
56th Field AA Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
125th AA Regiment
53rd Const Co
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
115th AA Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
12th Air Defense AA Battalion
16th Army
3rd RF Gun Battalion
62nd JAAF AF Bn

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On the 28th the Allies take Port Blair easily. I tried to fly in more troops, but to no effect. I'll be attempting to now extricate troops from all of the surrounding islands to shore up coastal defences. I'm also sending reserve brigade up from Singers by rail, and I have several units that can fly for a quick addition to defences along the Burma coastline. Forts and terrain are good there, and supply plentiful, but not much in place. That's fine for now as the retreat is on regardless.

The defenders at Ketoi-jima give another bad day to the Allied attackers. This one is surprising, as the adjustment was actually 1:5, even worse than previous attacks, and no forts reductions. The Allies lost a lot of infantry disabled and destroyed to very few all around from the Japanese. Keep it up!

Strike at Port Blair didn't fly, so he got that one for free. Oh, well.

On the 28th Corsairs mess up the CAP at Kushiro pretty bad. I'll change things up to see if this goes one more day, and fly at max height above the Corsairs. This means P-47s will do well, but if I can jump the gulls then those very good pilots will suffer.

Down South the reinforcements get in just in time and thwart another Allied attack. It hurts the Allies a bit more, and hopefully this will ensure the Japanese stack can turn and get out of the hex before the next one.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 27, 1944
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Night Naval bombardment of Ketoi-jima at 134,50

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Japanese Ships
ACM Nichinan, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
CA Indianapolis
CL Biloxi
CLAA Oakland
DD Killen
DD Kidd
DD John Henley
DD Heermann

Japanese ground losses:
219 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 11 (4 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 25
Port hits 2

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB New Jersey
BB New Jersey firing at Ketoi-jima

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Pre-Invasion action off Ponape (119,113) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

25 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Sumatra, Shell hits 1
xAK William B. Leeds, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
PF Pueblo
xAK William M. Stewart, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
LSM-50

Ponape Naval Fortress firing at CL Sumatra
CL Sumatra firing at Ponape Naval Fortress
12.7cm 3YT DP Gun Battery engaging xAK William B. Leeds at 15,000 yards
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging xAK William M. Stewart at 15,000 yards
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging xAK William B. Leeds at 15,000 yards

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Amphibious Assault at Ponape (119,113)

TF 308 troops unloading over beach at Ponape, 119,113

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

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TF 700 encounters mine field at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

Allied Ships
AM Oriole
PF El Paso, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

17 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shikuka at 128,46

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 23
D4Y3 Judy x 24

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 13
Seafire IIC x 5
Seafire L.III x 7
F6F-3 Hellcat x 4
F6F-5 Hellcat x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 5 destroyed
D4Y3 Judy: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BC Renown

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 8
Liberator B.VI x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 4
B-24J Liberator x 23
P-38J Lightning x 11
P-38L Lightning x 33
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 32
P-51B Mustang x 16
F6F-5 Hellcat x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 20

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 3 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 12 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
181 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Ponape (119,113)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 618 troops, 29 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Defending force 4739 troops, 42 guns, 27 vehicles, Assault Value = 156

Assaulting units:
Ponape Naval Fortress

Defending units:
14th NZ Brigade

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Ground combat at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31775 troops, 433 guns, 638 vehicles, Assault Value = 1798

Defending force 41056 troops, 475 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 847

Allied adjusted assault: 355

Japanese adjusted defense: 1869

Allied assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
543 casualties reported
Squads: 31 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 22 (19 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3002 casualties reported
Squads: 64 destroyed, 230 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 25 disabled
Guns lost 65 (6 destroyed, 59 disabled)
Vehicles lost 28 (3 destroyed, 25 disabled)

Assaulting units:
XI Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
706th Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
4th Marine Division
112th Cavalry Regiment
3rd Marine Division
1st Army Tank Regiment
8th Australian Division
5th USMC Tank Battalion
1st Regiment
4th Field Artillery Battalion
237th USN Base Force
148th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Medium Regiment
Provisional GMC Grp

Defending units:
85th Naval Guard Unit
45th Ind.Mixed Brigade
11th Ind.Mixed Regiment
71st Division
36th Ind.Mixed Brigade
109th Div /1
34th Const Co
49th Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Base Force
25th Special Base Force
3rd FF Const Unit
5th RF Gun Battalion
11th RF Gun Bn /1

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Ground combat at Port Blair (46,58)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 12848 troops, 135 guns, 157 vehicles, Assault Value = 579

Defending force 4881 troops, 33 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 145

Allied adjusted assault: 325

Japanese adjusted defense: 41

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied forces CAPTURE Port Blair !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1381 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 114 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 27 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 12 (3 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (6 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
364 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Assaulting units:
82nd (West African) Div /4
475th USA Regiment
11th PAVO Regiment
Lushai Bde /2
1st Indian Medium Regiment
159th USA Base Force /2

Defending units:
2nd South Seas Det.
55th Nav Gd /1
92nd JAAF AF Bn

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 28, 1944
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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 41,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 16
N1K2-J George x 35
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 21
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 13
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 37,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 16
N1K2-J George x 33
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 16
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 41

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 42,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 27
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 16
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 27

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 39300 feet

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 126625 troops, 1659 guns, 1726 vehicles, Assault Value = 3148

Defending force 72882 troops, 687 guns, 1206 vehicles, Assault Value = 1570

Allied adjusted assault: 1100

Japanese adjusted defense: 1619

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3600 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 271 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
Guns lost 105 (21 destroyed, 84 disabled)
Vehicles lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2082 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 244 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 53 disabled
Guns lost 35 (2 destroyed, 33 disabled)
Vehicles lost 68 (54 destroyed, 14 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
22nd (East African) Brigade
268th Motorised Brigade
150th RAC Regiment
50th Tank Brigade
14th Indian Division
11th Indian Division
9th Indian Division
17th Indian Division
6th Australian Division
72nd British Brigade
2nd British Division
6th Chinese Corps
97th Field Artillery Battalion
18th SP Field Artillery Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
87th Medium Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
249th Field Artillery Battalion
6th Medium Regiment
85th Medium Regiment
101st Heavy AA Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Indian Corps
86th Coast AA Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
181st Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
16th Division
2nd Guards Division
2nd Tank Division
21st Division
14th Tank Regiment
18th Garrison Unit
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Burma Area Army
125th AA Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Air Defense AA Battalion
115th AA Regiment
16th Army
56th Field AA Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
62nd JAAF AF Bn

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 6/17/2018 11:31:21 AM   
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The CAP jump works on the 29th at Kushiro. Got about 1:1 with a lot of good Corsairs shot down. Even the old N1K1 is good when it's up high and diving. I don't do this often, as the P-47s and P-38s can top anything I have, but it's going to be fun if I can build a good number of Ki-83 to add to the mix. It tops out at 41,500, so will get over most Allied planes and at 437mph isn't too shabby for speed either.

The Allies try an odd tank only DA at Ketoi, mostly destroying a lot of tanks, but takes out disabled Japanese troops too. I think the tanks added in to a bigger infantry attack work better, but that's me.

On the 30th the Allies try small DA attacks against the retreating Japanese but both lead to the Allies taking a bigger hit. Especially the one near Prome, with over 100 devices destroyed and 500 more disabled. Nice.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 29, 1944
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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 42,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 35
N1K5-J George x 44

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 39300 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 42,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 31
N1K5-J George x 38

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 39300 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 37,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 20
N1K5-J George x 32

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 48,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 19
N1K5-J George x 30

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 37,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 12
N1K5-J George x 18

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Corsair II sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on 111th(Sep) Infantry Regiment, at 125,43 , near Shikuka

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 35,440 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 29

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 43

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 9 destroyed

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Ground combat at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4560 troops, 51 guns, 397 vehicles, Assault Value = 1698

Defending force 39757 troops, 454 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 789

Allied adjusted assault: 73

Japanese adjusted defense: 1153

Allied assault odds: 1 to 15 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
429 casualties reported
Squads: 29 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 73 (21 destroyed, 52 disabled)

Assaulting units:
706th Tank Battalion
XI Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
5th USMC Tank Battalion
364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
3rd Marine Division
8th Australian Division
6th Infantry Division
1st Army Tank Regiment
4th Marine Division
112th Cavalry Regiment
1st Regiment
4th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Medium Regiment
237th USN Base Force
148th Field Artillery Battalion
Provisional GMC Grp

Defending units:
11th Ind.Mixed Regiment
45th Ind.Mixed Brigade
71st Division
36th Ind.Mixed Brigade
109th Div /1
49th Mountain Gun Regiment
85th Naval Guard Unit
3rd FF Const Unit
34th Const Co
1st Base Force
5th RF Gun Battalion
25th Special Base Force

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 30, 1944
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Ground combat at 55,51 (near Prome)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 185504 troops, 2183 guns, 2588 vehicles, Assault Value = 5488

Defending force 95215 troops, 937 guns, 376 vehicles, Assault Value = 2711

Allied adjusted assault: 290

Japanese adjusted defense: 7333

Allied assault odds: 1 to 25

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
777 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 22 (2 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1069 casualties reported
Squads: 52 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 160 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 34 (27 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 337 (15 destroyed, 322 disabled)

Assaulting units:
255th Indian Tank Brigade
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
32nd Infantry Division
46th Indian Brigade
23rd Chindit Brigade
26th Indian Division
25th Indian Division
5th Chinese Corps
40th Infantry Division
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
254th Armoured Brigade
Guides Cavalry Regiment
18th British Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
754th Tank Battalion
29th British Brigade
50th Indian Para Brigade
27th Infantry Division
1st New Chinese Corps
5th Indian Division
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
8th Medium Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Indian AA Bde
197th Coast AA Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
5th Division
48th Division
18th Division
55th Division
31st Division
2nd Division
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
16th AA Regiment
13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion
32nd Air Defense AA Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
70th Field AA Battalion
23rd AA Regiment
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12349 troops, 352 guns, 647 vehicles, Assault Value = 3067

Defending force 70456 troops, 674 guns, 1201 vehicles, Assault Value = 1328

Allied adjusted assault: 27

Japanese adjusted defense: 1693

Allied assault odds: 1 to 62

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
301 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
224 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 20 (2 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (3 destroyed, 28 disabled)

Assaulting units:
11th Indian Division
6th Australian Division
50th Tank Brigade
2nd British Division
72nd British Brigade
45th Indian Brigade
22nd (East African) Brigade
268th Motorised Brigade
17th Indian Division
14th Indian Division
9th Indian Division
150th RAC Regiment
6th Chinese Corps
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
181st Field Artillery Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
168th Field Artillery Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
101st Heavy AA Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
85th Medium Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
86th Coast AA Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
XV Indian Corps
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
249th Field Artillery Battalion
18th SP Field Artillery Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
6th Medium Regiment
87th Medium Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
18th Garrison Unit
21st Division
16th Division
14th Tank Regiment
2nd Guards Division
2nd Tank Division
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
56th Field AA Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Burma Area Army
3rd RF Gun Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
12th Air Defense AA Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
16th Army
125th AA Regiment
115th AA Regiment
62nd JAAF AF Bn

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Franks sweeping the edges near Shikuka picked up a bunch of Hellcats and downed nearly 30 for only a couple of lost as well.




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