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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/25/2019 12:54:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

'45 Allies is exhausting and it helps promote misplay from him.



Man am I ever discovering that to be truth. I have a large tendency to leave air squadrons on autopilot flying the same missions day after day simply because there are so damn many of them to have to issue orders to.

I'm particularly lazy with the Death Star. My bombing runs are massive overfill doing 250 runway damage because I am too lazy to want to issue orders selectively to hit more than one target at a time.

The "issue the same orders to all carrier dive/torpedo bombers in the hex" selections has become the only method I use in issuing orders to DS squadrons.


I love the "same orders to all in TF" as well. It helps differentiate if you want to change it up for a part. It is a grind, but so much fun too. In my Allied game it just feels so crazy to have the luxury of stuff like 1,400 Heavy Bombers on map at once!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/25/2019 1:21:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		The defenders of Hokkaido; Yokosuka Ku-S2!

My first 20 kill Japanese pilot: WO Fujiwara, F. Currently flying the N1K5 George at Hakodate.




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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/25/2019 2:06:40 PM   
obvert


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The action slowed a bit on the 22nd. Only 48 Allied panes shot down to 21 Japanese.

Since June 15, when the big Allied air offensives began in the North and South, the Allies have lost almost 1,000 planes in total. My count shows 937. The Japanese are at 881 by my count during the same time period, but more of the Japanese losses are fighters. Probably 3/4 of the total. The Allies on the other hand have lost almost 200 4E and about the same number of 2E during the time. All Allied losses were over enemy held territory. A lot of pilots KIA/MIA.

Japanese pools haven't been this strong since before the Allies landed in Hokkaido in 44. I had over 100 of each of the top fighters before doing some upgrades and filling out a few groups. On top of that I'm about to upgrade a 36 plane group to the new J7W Shinden.

The Allies tried an odd raid at Hakodate. Unexscorted B-24J against the CAP. Lost almost a dozen 4E. The Allies also swept Wuchang with three different groups. The Japanese CAP broke even or won against all three.

Singers remains closed, as does Johore. All Japanese air strength in the area pushed back to Palembang.

The Allied army from Burma looks now to be pushing forward. Lang Son is captured. Now the real battle for China is on. Will the Allies try to tackle Nanning head on? Will they opt for the longer route and go around through small roads? Or along the coast toward Canton/Hong Kong? There are risks along each path. The Japanese can't defend everywhere, and I've chosen my spots.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 22, 1945
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Night Naval bombardment of Wuchang at 84,51 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

48 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Nigeria, Shell hits 2

CL Nigeria firing at 8th Base Force
8th Base Force firing at CL Nigeria

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 8
Wellington B.X x 9
B-24J Liberator x 26

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 10 damaged

Airbase hits 11
Runway hits 37
Port hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington B.X bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Wuchang , at 84,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 12
N1K5-J George x 17
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 25

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 70th/B Division, at 74,55 (Liuchow)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 41
P-47N Thunderbolt x 9
P-51D Mustang x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 30 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 16000 feet
Ground Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 11
N1K5-J George x 17
Ki-100-II Tony x 7

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Wuchang , at 84,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 11
N1K5-J George x 17
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 19

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 3 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Wuchang , at 84,51

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 16
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 22

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 6 destroyed

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Ground combat at 71,56 (near Lang Son)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6712 troops, 18 guns, 500 vehicles, Assault Value = 353

Defending force 648 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6

Allied adjusted assault: 224

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 224 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
758 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 34 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
150th RAC Regiment
255th Indian Tank Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment

Defending units:
41st Ind.Garrison Battalion

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/25/2019 2:27:26 PM   
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On the 23rd things quiet down. Just some Allied milk runs. Troops moved into Johore Baru. About 2k AV of good Indian troops mostly. It looks like this could be a battle we can hold for a bit, so I'll move in another large brigade.

On the 24th a massive set of sweeps and raids goes again for Nagasaki. He does get to some industry, but the 2Es suffer especially. In the past 10 turns the Allies have now lost 1,100+ airframes.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 23, 1945
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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB South Dakota
CA Salt Lake City
CL Wilkes-Barre
DD Eaton
DD DeHaven
DD Converse
DD Cogswell
DD Chevalier
DD Chauncey
DD Boyd
DMS Forrest
DMS Palmer

Japanese ground losses:
345 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (2 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Merchant Shipyard hits 3
Manpower hits 1
Repair Shipyard hits 3
Heavy Industry hits 1
Fires 166
Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 43
Port hits 6
Port fuel hits 1

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Iowa

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru (50,83)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 74000 troops, 1169 guns, 1234 vehicles, Assault Value = 1947

Defending force 45676 troops, 392 guns, 192 vehicles, Assault Value = 1240

Japanese ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
236th Combat Engineer Regiment
17th Motorised Division
25th Indian Division
268th Motorised Brigade
20th Indian Division
475th USA Regiment
8th Indian Division
1st Indian Medium Regiment
2/13th Field Regiment
55th Heavy Regiment
56th Heavy AA Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
12th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
2nd Indian Medium Regiment
III Indian Corps
20th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
3rd West African AA Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
Southeast Asia
134th (East Ang) Regiment
181st Field Artillery Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd (Special Force) Division

Defending units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
2nd INA Gandhi Regiment
80th Garrison Battalion
65th Brigade
26th Tank Regiment
4th Raiding Regiment
5th INA Regiment
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
49th Tank Battalion
8th Indpt SNLF Coy
Kure 3rd SNLF
44th Naval Guard Unit
4th INA Nehru Regiment
Yokosuka 4th SNLF /2
Sasebo 8th SNLF
27th Ind.Mixed Brigade
120th Div /2
17th JAAF AF Bn
105th JAAF AF Bn
4th Air Division
1st RF Gun Battalion
87th JAAF AF Bn /1
89th JAAF AF Bn
28th JAAF AF Bn
7th Indpt SNLF Coy /1
94th JAAF AF Bn
91st JAAF AF Bn
80th JAAF AF Bn
3rd Mortar Battalion
23rd JAAF AF Bn
2nd South Seas Det. /1
201st JAAF AF Bn
41st JAAF AF Bn /2

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 24, 1945
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TF 847 encounters mine field at 49,90

Japanese Ships
PB Toko Maru
PB Kenan Maru, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
TK Takane Maru, Mine hits 1, heavy fires

1 mine cleared

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TF 869 encounters mine field at 49,90

Japanese Ships
MGB G-461, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 15
A6M8 Zero x 17
A7M2 Sam x 26
J2M5 Jack x 21
N1K2-J George x 19
N1K5-J George x 39
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14
Ki-83 x 32
Ki-84b Frank x 15
Ki-84r Frank x 36

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
F4U-1A Corsair x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 7 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet *
2 x Corsair II sweeping at 20000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 13
A6M8 Zero x 13
A7M2 Sam x 21
J2M5 Jack x 19
N1K2-J George x 13
N1K5-J George x 34
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-83 x 29
Ki-84b Frank x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 31

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 7 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 11
A6M8 Zero x 13
A7M2 Sam x 21
J2M5 Jack x 15
N1K2-J George x 11
N1K5-J George x 29
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-83 x 25
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 29

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 9
P-38L Lightning x 33
P-47N Thunderbolt x 1
P-51D Mustang x 72

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 12000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 9
A6M8 Zero x 10
A7M2 Sam x 20
J2M5 Jack x 13
N1K2-J George x 6
N1K5-J George x 25
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-83 x 23
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-84r Frank x 28

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 15000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 6
A6M8 Zero x 9
A7M2 Sam x 14
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 5
N1K5-J George x 22
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-83 x 20
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-84r Frank x 21

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 12
A-26B Invader x 18
B-24J Liberator x 17
B-29-25 Superfort x 27
P-47N Thunderbolt x 15
P-51D Mustang x 17
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 2 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
A-26B Invader: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 17 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
P-51D Mustang: 4 destroyed
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 2
Heavy Industry hits 10
Ki-43-IV Oscar factory hits 1
Fires 92
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet *
City Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 5
A6M8 Zero x 6
A7M2 Sam x 7
J2M5 Jack x 11
N1K2-J George x 4
N1K5-J George x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-83 x 10
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 3
Liberator GR.VI x 6
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
P-47N Thunderbolt x 18
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 3 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 7 damaged

Resources hits 3
Fires 92
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet *
City Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 5
A6M8 Zero x 5
A7M2 Sam x 6
J2M5 Jack x 6
N1K2-J George x 4
N1K5-J George x 9
Ki-83 x 6
Ki-84b Frank x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 11

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 3
PV-2 Harpoon x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
PV-2 Harpoon: 11 destroyed

Fires 81

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x PV-2 Harpoon bombing from 11000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
A7M2 Sam x 2
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K2-J George x 2
N1K5-J George x 1
Ki-83 x 3
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 4

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 42
B-24J Liberator x 6
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 1 destroyed, 16 damaged
A-26B Invader: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Fires 110
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x A-26B Invader bombing from 11000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Daito Shoto at 101,75

Japanese Ships
xAKL Momoyama Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAKL Yamatsuru Maru
xAKL Penang Maru
SC CHa-53

Allied Ships
SS Pipefish, hits 6, heavy damage

SS Pipefish launches 4 torpedoes at xAKL Momoyama Maru
Pipefish diving deep ....

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/25/2019 2:32:04 PM   
obvert


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Status: offline 		At the bottom of this info screen you can see Allied fleets moved forward out of the Yangtze delta area where why've been now for a good while. The CVs moved out too, so this could be the next big step forward. I'd guess it's a landing on islands just off the coast of Kyushu or Korea, or both. We'll see. I get a screen tomorrow.




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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/26/2019 1:20:18 PM   
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The Allies take some steps forward on the 25th. They drop on a number of bases around Singers and toward Palembang. It looks like they're supporting a move into the area, getting a foothold for search, etc. They also bring more troops into Johore, now up to 2,200 AV.

Up North the milk runs at Shanghai continue, and the Allies again try to bomb troop at Liuchow. The B-29s are not very effective in bad wheather against the good AA units and forts here. They is encouraging.

The Allied move that appeared to be heading toward the Home Islands or Korea has evaporated back to China. All of the ships, including the DS and company, are now back at the mouth of the Yangtze. Interesting. Another feint, and a test of air defenses.

Corsairs do get some good kills over Nagasaki. Still they get about a 3:2 advantage on the day. Not really a win for the Allies over enemy territory.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 25, 1945
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Sub attack near Billiton at 54,94

Japanese Ships
PB Ikuta Maru
PB Fukui Maru
E No.112
E No.53

Allied Ships
SS Taurus, hits 32, on fire, heavy damage

SS Taurus launches 6 torpedoes at PB Ikuta Maru
E No.112 attacking submerged sub ....

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Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 18
Ki-84r Frank x 12
Ki-102b Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Special Base Force, at 89,55 , near Hangchow

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 15
P-47N Thunderbolt x 24
P-51D Mustang x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 8
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 31
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 30

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 2 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 4000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Liuchow , at 74,55

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 27
P-51D Mustang x 22

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 12 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 12
A6M8 Zero x 1
A7M2 Sam x 1
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 28
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-83 x 15
Ki-84b Frank x 31

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 7 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 6
A6M8 Zero x 1
A7M2 Sam x 1
N1K2-J George x 4
N1K5-J George x 20
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-83 x 11
Ki-84b Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-83: 3 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 6
N1K2-J George x 3
N1K5-J George x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-83 x 4
Ki-84b Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru (50,83)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 74000 troops, 1169 guns, 1234 vehicles, Assault Value = 2381

Defending force 51241 troops, 409 guns, 191 vehicles, Assault Value = 1418

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
236th Combat Engineer Regiment
25th Indian Division
20th Indian Division
475th USA Regiment
2nd British Division
17th Motorised Division
268th Motorised Brigade
8th Indian Division
III Indian Corps
55th Heavy Regiment
181st Field Artillery Regiment
3rd West African AA Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
12th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
134th (East Ang) Regiment
20th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
Southeast Asia
XXXIV Indian Corps
1st Indian Medium Regiment
2nd Indian Medium Regiment
56th Heavy AA Regiment
2/13th Field Regiment
3rd (Special Force) Division

Defending units:
80th Garrison Battalion
29th Ind.Mixed Brigade
Sasebo 8th SNLF
44th Naval Guard Unit
2nd INA Gandhi Regiment
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
Kure 3rd SNLF
49th Tank Battalion
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
4th Raiding Regiment
5th INA Regiment
26th Tank Regiment
Yokosuka 4th SNLF /2
4th INA Nehru Regiment
65th Brigade
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
27th Ind.Mixed Brigade
8th Indpt SNLF Coy
120th Div /2
23rd JAAF AF Bn
91st JAAF AF Bn
201st JAAF AF Bn
3rd Mortar Battalion
28th JAAF AF Bn
17th JAAF AF Bn
89th JAAF AF Bn
80th JAAF AF Bn
1st RF Gun Battalion
94th JAAF AF Bn
4th Air Division
105th JAAF AF Bn
2nd South Seas Det. /1

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Ground combat at Singkep (49,87)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 181 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 12

Defending force 72 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Allied adjusted assault: 11

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Singkep !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
44th (Support) Bn /2

Defending units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /3


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Ground combat at Padang (44,85)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 343 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 27

Defending force 404 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Allied adjusted assault: 11

Japanese adjusted defense: 16

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), morale(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
4th Assam Rifles Bn /3

Defending units:
4th JAAF AF Coy


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Ground combat at Terempa (54,83)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 171 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 15

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 15 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Terempa !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
50th Indian Para Bde /4


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Ground combat at Lingga (50,87)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 126 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 8

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Lingga !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
111th Chindit Bde /2


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A huge set of airstrikes hit Nagasaki on the 26th. First B-29s combine to hit Manpower and the airfields at night. Then waves of sweeps, 4E and 2E bombing strikes hit during the day. The Allies get some fires going and reduce other factories with direct attacks, but the defenders again make them pay a price.

Only one set of sweeps arrives before bombers, and it is a combined set of about 4-5 groups. This helps us a lot, as the CAP was fresh after only a fairly short combat and ready to take on the bombers, including a large number of A-26B Invaders. These suffer especially but do dish out defensive fire as well.

On the day the Allies lost another 154 planes, including about 50 A-26B. This brings it to about 1,300 lost since June 15. It's hard to imagine going through this many airframes and pilots in such a short time on the Allied side. On my side I've been doing extensive pilot work to keep high experience/air skill/defensive skill pilots on the front lines, and I'm losing a lot less than the allies.
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Night Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 4

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 18
B-29B Superfort x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 damaged
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 9 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Manpower hits 15
Fires 3004
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 19000 feet
Airfield Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 14000 feet
Airfield Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 14000 feet
Airfield Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 10
A7M2 Sam x 1
J2M5 Jack x 28
N1K2-J George x 9
N1K5-J George x 18
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-83 x 10
Ki-84b Frank x 76
Ki-84r Frank x 41
Ki-100-II Tony x 45

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 15
F4U-1D Corsair x 132

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 22000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 7
J2M5 Jack x 28
N1K2-J George x 5
N1K5-J George x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-83 x 7
Ki-84b Frank x 71
Ki-84r Frank x 37
Ki-100-II Tony x 42

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 33
P-51D Mustang x 18
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PBJ-1J Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet *
City Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 6
J2M5 Jack x 27
N1K2-J George x 5
N1K5-J George x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 18
Ki-83 x 7
Ki-84b Frank x 63
Ki-84r Frank x 33
Ki-100-II Tony x 34

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 10
P-47N Thunderbolt x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
P-47N Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 5
J2M5 Jack x 24
N1K2-J George x 4
N1K5-J George x 12
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17
Ki-83 x 7
Ki-84b Frank x 57
Ki-84r Frank x 29
Ki-100-II Tony x 32

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 54
P-51D Mustang x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 4 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 14 destroyed, 9 damaged
A-26B Invader: 2 destroyed by flak
P-51D Mustang: 6 destroyed

Resources hits 12
Fires 15949

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x A-26B Invader bombing from 11000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4
J2M5 Jack x 20
N1K2-J George x 3
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 13
Ki-83 x 6
Ki-84b Frank x 44
Ki-84r Frank x 27
Ki-100-II Tony x 24

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 2
J2M5 Jack x 16
N1K2-J George x 3
N1K5-J George x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-83 x 5
Ki-84b Frank x 34
Ki-84r Frank x 21
Ki-100-II Tony x 15

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 9 destroyed
A-26B Invader: 1 destroyed by flak

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 1
J2M5 Jack x 13
N1K2-J George x 3
N1K5-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-83 x 5
Ki-84b Frank x 31
Ki-84r Frank x 16
Ki-100-II Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 25000 feet *

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A slower day on the 27th. One massed coordinating sweep at Nagasaki.
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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 2
J2M5 Jack x 14
N1K2-J George x 2
N1K5-J George x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 15
Ki-84b Frank x 28
Ki-84r Frank x 24
Ki-100-II Tony x 18

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 123

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 4 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 19000 feet *

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It looks like the Allies are planning to walk across and shock at Nanning. That would be interesting. I've got now a very well supported and dug in army there of 3,500 AV.




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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/28/2019 9:25:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		It’s really interesting to see how a well-managed Japanese air force fares against a good Allied player. Clearly there are things Canoe could do better on the strategic bombing front, but you’re certainly not making it easy on him. I’d be curious as to the Allied fighter and bomber pilot pools at this point, because it seems like attrition is ridiculously high. Assuming A-bombs are on the verge of availability, I would be afraid of using them at this stage; what happens if you shoot down the plane carrying one?

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Status: offline 		The game really doesn't display this scenario, but we had a huge Army, Navy and Air Force assets sitting over in Europe and the middle east, that could have been transferred much quicker than the plans to have them ready for the Invasion of the Home Islands in November, 1945. Many of the airplanes we either left in Europe, gave away to nations recover from the ravages of war or destroyed, instead of being redeployed to the Pacific. It would be interesting o make available much more to the Allies, if needed sooner after the end of operations in the ETO, and MTO, possibly at an decrease of VPs , vice PPs. Not a complaint just a possible option.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/29/2019 9:06:47 PM   
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It’s really interesting to see how a well-managed Japanese air force fares against a good Allied player. Clearly there are things Canoe could do better on the strategic bombing front, but you’re certainly not making it easy on him. I’d be curious as to the Allied fighter and bomber pilot pools at this point, because it seems like attrition is ridiculously high. Assuming A-bombs are on the verge of availability, I would be afraid of using them at this stage; what happens if you shoot down the plane carrying one?


I don't think it's possible to shoot down the A-bomb B-29s. They get a free shot and the skill of pilots plus the dice rolls determine the damage inflicted. I've heard, (never experienced though) that the damage is not as great as it might be if modelled on historical examples. I'm sure he's saving them for Tokyo and Osaka.

The Allies had fairly good airframe totals available when Dan took over. I don't know though what his pilot situation was at that point. I've been trying to keep a pilot quality imbalance by not losing too many massive battles and fighting most often over home territory. He's been losing a lot of pilots, both fighter and bomber. We'll see if that starts to mater, or if I can tell.

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The game really doesn't display this scenario, but we had a huge Army, Navy and Air Force assets sitting over in Europe and the middle east, that could have been transferred much quicker than the plans to have them ready for the Invasion of the Home Islands in November, 1945. Many of the airplanes we either left in Europe, gave away to nations recover from the ravages of war or destroyed, instead of being redeployed to the Pacific. It would be interesting o make available much more to the Allies, if needed sooner after the end of operations in the ETO, and MTO, possibly at an decrease of VPs , vice PPs. Not a complaint just a possible option.


Would he get European theatre pilots too?

Not that it would ever happen. It would be interesting to see something like that, but man, the Allies have a LOT of air groups now. It might be almost overwhelming to add 1/3 more clicks into the air war.

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Status: offline 		How are you planning on assigning your pilots? With so many active and in the pools now, are you centralizing the best in a few elite squadrons, or are you spreading the love around?

Also, curious about EXP levels on non-fighter aircraft. What does the EXP levels look like on your various bomber, patrol and recon squadrons?

A recent lesson for me has been that EXP levels are important for all squadrons, not just fighter pilots!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/29/2019 9:42:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Wikipedia page for the 8th Air Force lists for 31 Aug 1945

This includes:
2,865 Very heavy bombers
11,065 Heavy bombers
5,384 Light bombers
17,198 Fighters
1,971 Reconnaissance aircraft
9,561 Transports

Pretty scary when compared to the trickle of Allied replacement they get. In in the game, you are Truman, Stalin, and Churchill all at the same time so you don't have to worry about leaving anything behind in Europe.

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How are you planning on assigning your pilots? With so many active and in the pools now, are you centralizing the best in a few elite squadrons, or are you spreading the love around?

Also, curious about EXP levels on non-fighter aircraft. What does the EXP levels look like on your various bomber, patrol and recon squadrons?

A recent lesson for me has been that EXP levels are important for all squadrons, not just fighter pilots!



Most fighter pilots are grouped by EXP and I keep the best as top CAP in the low layered CAP. Most of the top ones for IJN go to the KB (still) and the George groups. Now also the one active J7W group, which hasn't seen combat yet.

For the IJAAF the Franks and Ki-83 get the best, but the Ki-100-II has been doing well lately against the bombers and has built some good ones. I try to keep 60-70 EXP pilots in the middle layer of the CAP and 50-60 EXP with good defensive skills in the low layers.

The NF groups across the board get 70-80 EXP pilots as well.

A ton of IJAAF bomber pilots are in the 70-85 range. I'll keep them around doing not much and use them in fighters late if that's all that's left. I could even transition them now to rear CAP (if that exists anymore) to gain air skill. Some have defense in the 80s, so would be tough if they're in Franks.

For the IJN the various strikes have taken out about half of the highest EXP pilots for TB/DB, but more are giving now as they train and fly search. Recon and transport pilots have the lowest EXP.



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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/29/2019 10:45:26 PM   
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The Wikipedia page for the 8th Air Force lists for 31 Aug 1945

This includes:
2,865 Very heavy bombers
11,065 Heavy bombers
5,384 Light bombers
17,198 Fighters
1,971 Reconnaissance aircraft
9,561 Transports

Pretty scary when compared to the trickle of Allied replacement they get. In in the game, you are Truman, Stalin, and Churchill all at the same time so you don't have to worry about leaving anything behind in Europe.


Soon he will get the next level P-51H and the B-17G. So a lot of those do start to flood in.

The B-29s were in the Pacific only, so what are the very heavy bombers? I don't think any B-32 were over there.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/30/2019 2:05:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		That Wiki page is for the entire USAAF, not the 8th. Thus, B-29s and B-32s make sense for "very heavy."

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/30/2019 8:48:33 AM   
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A big day all over the map for several reasons.

The Allies try to push forward and begin to establish some patterns I'd like to exploit as we move on. It's tough to keep a base like Shanghai closed for ever, but he's been trying both there and at Hangchow. The results is a lot of milk runs, most recently using several hundred 1E USN bombers. Hard to defend those as they're pretty fragile. I'll see if there is a good time to go for it soon. In the meantime the DB are hitting balloons and flak is getting some too.

A night attack at Hankow by B-29s is thwarted by the NF now installed there. It's interesting that although they didn't get a lot of kills, the beasts didn't hit much either. I did lose a handful of NF though in the process.

The big news is that the Allies attacked with a DA at Johore Baru. Even though it's only forts 3, the defenders are very experienced, and hold easily with a solid 1:2 (nearly a 1:3) producing heavy disablements in the Allied forces. This after several days of big bombing runs of almost 300 bombers of all types. That's encouraging. Most of the losses are to the crap garrison units and INA units, as well. I'll send a few more brigades in for the next one, reducing Singers to about 1k AV and keeping the good 33rd ID there as reserve.

A few Jakes tested the RN DS CAP again. It's looking pretty strong, nothing an LBA strike in the area can handle.
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Night Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 12

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 16000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 3

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 16000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Hong Kong at 75,67

Japanese Ships
xAK Izan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
PB Hinode Maru #20

Allied Ships
SS Bluefish

SS Bluefish launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Izan Maru
Bluefish diving deep ....

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ASW attack near Singapore at 50,84

Japanese Ships
SS I-30, hits 7

Allied Ships
AM Rajputana

SS I-30 is sighted by escort
I-30 bottoming out ....

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Night Naval bombardment of Hankow at 85,50 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 5 damaged
N1K5-J George: 4 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 1 damaged
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 damaged
Ki-83: 7 damaged
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 2 damaged

41 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Nigeria
DD Kempenfelt
DD Tuscan
DD Tumult

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 30

Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at CL Nigeria
CL Nigeria firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 16
Ki-83 x 11
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 16
N1K5-J George x 43
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-83 x 16
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-84r Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 5 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 14
N1K5-J George x 41
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14
Ki-83 x 16
Ki-84b Frank x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 15

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 34
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 2

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 11 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 13
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 27

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 8 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 2 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 120th Division, at 50,83 (Johore Bahru)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 6
Liberator B.VI x 3
Mosquito FB.VI x 6
Wellington GR.XIII x 6
B-24J Liberator x 3
Beaufort VIII x 7
A-20G Havoc x 5
B-24J Liberator x 66
B-25J1 Mitchell x 8
B-25J11 Mitchell x 36
P-38L Lightning x 9
P-40N5 Warhawk x 6
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 9
P-51D Mustang x 16

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 14 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
251 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Singkep at 50,88

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Vengeance IV x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-16, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SC CHa-4, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SC CHa-12, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Vengeance IV releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 10
Ki-83 x 10
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 13
N1K5-J George x 36
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 13
Ki-83 x 12
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 12
N1K5-J George x 29
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-83 x 12
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 5 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 3
N1K5-J George x 12
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-83 x 9
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 11

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Malacca at 48,81

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E13A1b Jake x 5

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 5
Corsair IV x 96
Hellcat I x 60
Hellcat F.II x 30
Seafire IIC x 70
Seafire L.III x 80
Wildcat V x 14
Wildcat VI x 11
Thunderbolt II x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 17
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1b Jake: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru (50,83)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 100134 troops, 1518 guns, 1374 vehicles, Assault Value = 2769

Defending force 50415 troops, 407 guns, 191 vehicles, Assault Value = 1390

Allied adjusted assault: 1161

Japanese adjusted defense: 2109

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2819 casualties reported
Squads: 55 destroyed, 122 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 25 (5 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 21 (1 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
5276 casualties reported
Squads: 49 destroyed, 527 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 76 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 51 disabled
Guns lost 86 (7 destroyed, 79 disabled)

Assaulting units:
268th Motorised Brigade
2nd British Division
17th Motorised Division
20th Indian Division
25th Indian Division
236th Combat Engineer Regiment
81st (West African) Division
475th USA Regiment
8th Indian Division
2/9th Field Regiment
134th (East Ang) Regiment
12th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
2/13th Field Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
2nd Indian Medium Regiment
3rd West African AA Regiment
181st Field Artillery Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
III Indian Corps
20th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
56th Heavy AA Regiment
55th Heavy Regiment
XXXIV Indian Corps
Southeast Asia
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
1st Indian Medium Regiment
3rd (Special Force) Division

Defending units:
8th Indpt SNLF Coy
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
Yokosuka 4th SNLF /2
5th INA Regiment
27th Ind.Mixed Brigade
49th Tank Battalion
29th Ind.Mixed Brigade
26th Tank Regiment
65th Brigade
44th Naval Guard Unit
80th Garrison Battalion
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
4th INA Nehru Regiment
4th Raiding Regiment
Kure 3rd SNLF
2nd INA Gandhi Regiment
Sasebo 8th SNLF
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
120th Div /2
105th JAAF AF Bn
23rd JAAF AF Bn
91st JAAF AF Bn
4th Air Division
28th JAAF AF Bn
3rd Mortar Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
201st JAAF AF Bn
17th JAAF AF Bn
94th JAAF AF Bn
89th JAAF AF Bn
80th JAAF AF Bn
2nd South Seas Det. /1

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Getting up to 1,400+ airframes destroyed for the Allies since July 15 now. A lot of P-47N lost on the day, which shows in repay but not on the CR.



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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/30/2019 11:00:23 AM   
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An interesting couple of days. Not a lot happening on the 29th, but more of the same bombing runs without a lot of sweeps coming in before. He also seems to have settled for mostly sweeps at 20k with Corsairs, and even some of the good high altitude P-47N and P-51D are flying there too. It can work better against the low CAP, but, if I change it up and go high the Allies will get jumped.

The allies send in MTBs, DEs and some xAKs to Singers. I'm thinking they were designed to clear mines the hard way, and test the defenses. Most were sunk. Maybe they were sent to Johore, since they very persistently entered the minefield and were engaged heavily by the CD guns. Either way, this shows the defences are not bad, and that are happy to sacrifice material for recon. Fine by me!!

A few APDs have been infiltrating the lower areas of the Eastern DEI. My bombers flew this turn and hit two, which is good, but the graces somehow flew 10 hexes to Darwin rather than hitting the nearby ships in several TFs. Grrr. My bad for not restricting them.

At Hangchow the 20cm guns start to show their worth, hitting the Iowas bombarding with a few good salvos. That could reduce frequency and even eventually put the BBs at risk of needing repairs. If only I could get the Wake CD unit to Shanghai!
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 29, 1945
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Night Naval bombardment of Hangchow at 90,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

30 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Missouri
BB New Jersey, Shell hits 2
CA Pensacola
CA Louisville
CL Concord
CL Detroit
DD Rowe
DD Knapp
DD Kidd
DD Haraden
DD Franks
DD Erben

Japanese ground losses:
297 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Manpower hits 5
Fires 3537
Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 29
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 6
Port supply hits 3

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Missouri
BB Missouri firing at Hangchow

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 25
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 29
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 3
TBM-3 Avenger x 17

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 9 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 2 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 13
Liberator B.VI x 11
Spitfire VIII x 32
Spitfire F.XIV x 16
Thunderbolt II x 24
B-24J Liberator x 20
A-20G Havoc x 26
B-24J Liberator x 5
B-25J11 Mitchell x 19
P-38L Lightning x 15
P-47N Thunderbolt x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 3 destroyed on ground
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 4 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 77

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 30, 1945
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Naval Gun Fire at Singapore - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

13 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
MTB 306
MTB 305, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
MTB 304, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
MTB 303, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
MTB 302, Shell hits 2, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
MTB 301, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
MTB 300, Shell hits 2, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
MTB 299
MTB 286, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
MTB 285, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

12th Base Force firing at MTB 306

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Night Naval bombardment of Hangchow at 90,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

114 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Missouri, Shell hits 2
BB New Jersey, Shell hits 1
CA Pensacola
CA Louisville
CL Concord
CL Detroit
DD Rowe, Shell hits 2
DD Knapp
DD Kidd
DD Haraden, Shell hits 1
DD Franks
DD Erben, Shell hits 2

Japanese ground losses:
258 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Resources hits 1
Manpower hits 1
Fires 855
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 26
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 2

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Missouri

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Submarine attack near Singapore at 50,84

Japanese Ships
SS I-30

Allied Ships
xAK Sidney Hauptmann, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

xAK Sidney Hauptmann is sighted by SS I-30
SS I-30 launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Sidney Hauptmann

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Naval Gun Fire at Singapore - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

6 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAK West Notus, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 1, on fire
xAK West Nilus
xAK Forbes Hauptmann, Shell hits 1

12th Base Force firing at xAK West Notus
xAK West Notus firing at 12th Base Force

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Naval Gun Fire at Singapore - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DE Godavari, Shell hits 3, on fire
DE Sutlej, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DE Jumna, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Calpe, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

12th Base Force firing at DE Godavari
DE Godavari firing at 12th Base Force

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TF 515 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)

Allied Ships
DE Godavari, Mine hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Sutlej, Mine hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Jumna, Mine hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Calpe, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

2 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 25
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 28
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 2
TBM-3 Avenger x 28

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 12 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 4000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 5

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 5
Liberator B.VI x 3
Thunderbolt I x 3
Thunderbolt II x 3
Wellington GR.XIII x 3
Beaufort VIII x 16
B-24J Liberator x 48
B-25J1 Mitchell x 3
B-25J11 Mitchell x 7
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed
B-24J Liberator: 11 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 113

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kai Island at 80,115

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
APD Begor, Bomb hits 1, on fire
APD Brock, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 52 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 30

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 32
Kittyhawk IV x 17
P-38L Lightning x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 17 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Submarine attack near Singapore at 50,84

Japanese Ships
SS I-30

Allied Ships
xAK West Notus, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

xAK West Notus is sighted by SS I-30
SS I-30 launches 6 torpedoes

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Status: offline 		Is it IJA 20cm guns that you've got at Hangchow? If so, I'd manage your expectations. Army guns, for whatever reason, don't seem to like shooting ships the same as CD or DP guns. It seems different with amphib invasions, but I can't really suss it out myself.

Also, as a follow-on to my previous question, have you tried high-level night bombing of Allied warships as a means of reducing their efficiency? Level bombers from 10k or higher will bleed of the 5 inch ammo, which means less time bombarding and more time re-arming. Throw in some dive or torpedo bombers and you might get lucky. The Kate or Jill models with radar would be ideal for this!

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Status: offline 		Generally speaking against modern bb like New Jersey, CD guns will only inflict a point or two of damage per hit. Try some night attacks there, and the other tactic to try is night time cap in hopes of shooting down the spotter plane. LRCAP so it is hard to do.


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

Is it IJA 20cm guns that you've got at Hangchow? If so, I'd manage your expectations. Army guns, for whatever reason, don't seem to like shooting ships the same as CD or DP guns. It seems different with amphib invasions, but I can't really suss it out myself.

Also, as a follow-on to my previous question, have you tried high-level night bombing of Allied warships as a means of reducing their efficiency? Level bombers from 10k or higher will bleed of the 5 inch ammo, which means less time bombarding and more time re-arming. Throw in some dive or torpedo bombers and you might get lucky. The Kate or Jill models with radar would be ideal for this!


No it's an IJN Special Base Force. The big one with 20cm CD and 12.7cm DP guns. Once it was installed the hits at least began landing during bombardments.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Generally speaking against modern bb like New Jersey, CD guns will only inflict a point or two of damage per hit. Try some night attacks there, and the other tactic to try is night time cap in hopes of shooting down the spotter plane. LRCAP so it is hard to do.



Since these are nightly, it could make a difference even at one point a day, but if a few devices get messed up those are yard time on a BB like this. A radar hit for instance.

I'll try to see the messages next turn.

I haven't done any high level night bombing. Worth a try. He does have a base within two hexes and could have an NF group or two on bleeding CAP from there.

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July!!!

I'd have to look back but I think this is were my game against Jocke ended. It's certainly new territory where I still have a chance to fight against the big blue monster. It's been fun, and I now see the possibility of going on for a while still, where only a few months ago I though the Allies were dropping the final hammer blow.

The Allies begin the month with a massive night raid on Iwaki going for the resources. This time it's the whole package of about 180 B-29s.

The NF and flak do okay, but the bombers get their hits. About 200 of them on the resources. They're not gone, but took a significant hit. The Allies lose about 30 of the beasts, all three variants, with the B-29B showing the most vulnerability, not surprisingly. That is a good haul, and I didn't lose too much in the process. The rest should be damaged for a few day's respite at least.

Some Ki-83 LR CAP again target strikes on Shanghai, and again make it through to down a good humber of 1E bombers. It looks like down in Johore Baru the Allies recover a bit, but have less of an advantage for sure than for their first attack. Lets see how long until he tries again.

At Nanning the Allies still show movement. Is it a feint? I can't imagine him crossing there now, especially without throwing all of the bombers he has at the troops for a few weeks. There are a lot of good veteran AA units in hex if he does ry there. Fingers crossed.

At the end of the replay I get a big surprise as I open the turn and have a look around; the DS is moving.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 1, 1945
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Bintan at 50,85, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships
PB Toko Maru
xAK Clyde Maru
xAK England Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
MTB 275
MTB 276
MTB 277
MTB 278
MTB 279
MTB 280
MTB 281
MTB 282
MTB 283
MTB 284


Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 57% moonlight: 10,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 9,000 yards

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Naval Gun Fire at Singapore - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

20 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
MTB 284, Shell hits 2
MTB 283, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
MTB 282, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
MTB 281, Shell hits 2, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
MTB 280, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
MTB 279, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
MTB 278, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
MTB 277, Shell hits 2, Mine hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
MTB 276, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
MTB 275, Shell hits 2, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

12th Base Force firing at MTB 284

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TF 242 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)

Allied Ships
MTB 284, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
MTB 283, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
MTB 281, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
MTB 280, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
MTB 279, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

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Night Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 21
P1Y2-S Frances x 3

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 7000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 20
P1Y2-S Frances x 5

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7
B-29-25 Superfort x 13
B-29B Superfort x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 5 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 14 damaged

Resources hits 121

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 20
P1Y2-S Frances x 5

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 6 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 21
P1Y2-S Frances x 4

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 12
Ki-83 x 42

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wetar Island at 72,114

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y4 Judy x 14

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y4 Judy: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
APD Peary, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
APD Herbert, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
APD Sands

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wetar Island at 72,114

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 3 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 5

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
APD Sands, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wetar Island at 72,114

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 14

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
APD Humphreys
APD Sands, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 12
Ki-83 x 36

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 25
PV-1 Ventura x 12
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 26
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 2
TBM-3 Avenger x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 7 destroyed
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 9 destroyed, 3 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed
TBM-3 Avenger: 5 destroyed

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 4
Ki-83 x 12

Allied aircraft
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 7 destroyed
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 2
Ki-83 x 3

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 11
Corsair II x 11
Corsair IV x 16
P-51D Mustang x 40
TBM-3 Avenger x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 5

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 5
Liberator B.VI x 3
Beaufort VIII x 16
B-24J Liberator x 25
B-25J1 Mitchell x 12
B-25J11 Mitchell x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Beaufort VIII: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 74

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Singapore at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 9
Thunderbolt II x 3
Vengeance IV x 10
P-38L Lightning x 11
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Clyde Maru, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Toko Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Vengeance IV releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru (50,83)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 98429 troops, 1513 guns, 1389 vehicles, Assault Value = 2338

Defending force 56881 troops, 472 guns, 176 vehicles, Assault Value = 1501

Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
45th Indian Brigade
475th USA Regiment
20th Indian Division
81st (West African) Division
25th Indian Division
2nd British Division
17th Motorised Division
236th Combat Engineer Regiment
268th Motorised Brigade
8th Indian Division
12th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
Southeast Asia
III Indian Corps
134th (East Ang) Regiment
56th Heavy AA Regiment
2/13th Field Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
55th Heavy Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
20th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Indian Medium Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
181st Field Artillery Regiment
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
3rd West African AA Regiment
XXXIV Indian Corps
1st Indian Medium Regiment
3rd (Special Force) Division

Defending units:
26th Tank Regiment
2nd Amphibious Brigade
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th INA Nehru Regiment
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
Sasebo 8th SNLF
80th Garrison Battalion
4th Raiding Regiment
49th Tank Battalion
27th Ind.Mixed Brigade
29th Ind.Mixed Brigade
5th INA Regiment
2nd INA Gandhi Regiment
44th Naval Guard Unit
65th Brigade
Kure 3rd SNLF
Yokosuka 4th SNLF /2
120th Div /2
2nd South Seas Det. /1
1st RF Gun Battalion
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
3rd Mortar Battalion
17th JAAF AF Bn
91st JAAF AF Bn
94th JAAF AF Bn
80th JAAF AF Bn
89th JAAF AF Bn
105th JAAF AF Bn
28th JAAF AF Bn
201st JAAF AF Bn
23rd JAAF AF Bn /1

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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

He's choosing a rather expensive way to sweep mines at Singapore!


That's kind of what I was thinking. Maybe it wasn't intentional? A lot of players miss that Johore Baru is only accessible from the Singers hex by sea, so maybe that was it as well. Nothing else seemed to move beyond to the South China Sea, but my search there is also very limited.

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Status: offline 		Here is a hot of Nagasaki. It's gotten bit beaten up by the persistent fires going on for a week after a series of strikes there. It is worth in a VP sense for the Allies to continue with the strat bombing abasing the more defended bigger bases, but I hope I can keep taking a tithe of planes and pilots to eventually reduce the effectiveness of those strikes and sweeps.





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Status: offline 		The Chinese push forward slowly up in the Himalayas. They have exploited a gap and are moving through. I wouldn't be able to defend this opening regardless, but I can send units to eventually close it behind them, and also around to (hopefully) cut supply lines from the Allied bases in Indochina where they will be now getting their supply from. The troops on the defending hexes in the x3 are all well dug in. Some for years. It'll be interesting to see how that works out for the Chinese who aren't strong on arty even in 45.

I've just abandoned Luangprabang and I'm sending all of the smaller units and a few brigades to this area to mess with the Chinese Southern flank.

Here is a map shown three ways to get an idea of what's happening. If the Chinese can be effectively blocked from getting to Chungking and Chengtu for a good while it'll really help the cause. Those x3 river crossing hexes could be good VP ratio defending hexes too.




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Status: offline 		The July 2 turn may prove a big moment in the late game. The Allies do in fact shock over the river into Nanning with minimal bombing preparation and no misdirection to potentially lure defenders North or South. It was smash mouth tactics, and it didn't turn out well for them.

Below are shots of the action as it unfolded. The Allied troops (even the very experienced like the American and Aussie IDs) take a big hit and the Allies get only a 1:9 without powering the level 6 forts in x2 terrain. The base has abundant supply and the IJA IDs are barely touched, with fatigue in the 4-5 range and 0 disruption, morale in the 90s. I'm so tempted to attack back, knowing the Allies would take big losses while disrupted, but I think it could easily end up badly for the IJA and nullify this result. Better to sit it out and wait.

Lets see if the Allies now decide to turn tail, or if the tar baby will stick them in. There are follow-on units showing they're moving in too, and they have another 5-6k AV available unless it's been allocated elsewhere.

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Ground combat at Nanning (72,55)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 202744 troops, 2244 guns, 3168 vehicles, Assault Value = 6058

Defending force 136144 troops, 1285 guns, 804 vehicles, Assault Value = 3555

Allied adjusted assault: 2093

Japanese adjusted defense: 20913

Allied assault odds: 1 to 9 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
3821 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 327 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 59 disabled
Guns lost 134 (4 destroyed, 130 disabled)
Vehicles lost 32 (2 destroyed, 30 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
10636 casualties reported
Squads: 90 destroyed, 1768 disabled
Non Combat: 63 destroyed, 328 disabled
Engineers: 64 destroyed, 277 disabled
Guns lost 200 (16 destroyed, 184 disabled)
Vehicles lost 442 (53 destroyed, 389 disabled)
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Status: offline 		While disablments are high, actual losses are light given the nature of the assault.

I see no reason to withdraw. The mere level 6 forts can be overcome rather quickly with the application of sufficient combat engineers.

Personally, I wouldn't have crossed directly into the base, but rather spent more time crossing into an adjacent hex.

Still, I see no reason why the follow on steamroller can't get the job done.

This is simply the cost of doing business.

I would also be diverting a portion of my force through the cultivated terrain on the coastal route to HK.
Sure the going is slow, but no slower than the secondary roads one is faced with after reaching Liuchow.

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