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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 8/29/2019 4:29:54 PM   
stilesw


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Yak-9 Frank fuel consumption table, as you can see in the image the burned fuel while at max power if by far the lowest of all. Giving it an endurance of as many as 8! hours at max speed.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 9/3/2019 7:06:14 PM   
walsherik

 

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I have a few requests for some Scandinavian ships, But i have a bit of reference material my self (Janes and lot of other books) , So whats the best way to send the info in, Is there a template or excel sheet i could use to ensure you get all the data you need. To save everyone's time :)

Cheers

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 9/6/2019 3:31:25 AM   
cdnice


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Status: offline 		#1285 – 500 Provider (Canada – 1963)
# 233 – 500 Provider (Canada – 1967)
# 235 – 500 Provider (Canada – 1972)

- Unit number should be 508 not 500
- Picture shows HMCS Protecteur AOR 509
- 7,400t light, 22,000t full
- beam, draft, displacement varies between versions, please correct, 1964 version seems to have the correct dimensions but missing the displacement

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Provider_(AOR_508)
https://www.rcnhistory.org/berbeck-shiplist-provider.htm
www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/postwar/provider/
http://readyayeready.com/ships/shipview.php?id=1337
DB3000 #3018 – 508 Provider (Canada 1964-1998)

#4 – R 22 Bonaventure - 1967

- Full load displacement is 20,000t, length 214.6m (see fact sheet)
- AN/SPS-12 replaced by AN/SPS-501 during midlife refit (1967)

Sources:
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/postwar/carriers/
http://cmano-db.com/sensor/693/
https://www.friends-amis.org/index.php/en/document-repository/english/fact-sheets/45-hmcs-bonaventure/file
#441 – C 53 Ontario
#440 – C 66 Uganda (Quebec 1954)

- add hypothetical UK refit to both units as of 1953/54

Sources:
http://cmano-db.com/cw/ship/506/

# 10- DDE 215 Tribal - 1958
- first ship underwent conversion to this configuration in 1949 (Iroquois) with all conversions completed by 1954 (Athabaskan)
- can this entry be changed to 1949?
Sources:
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/postwar/tribww2/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal-class_destroyer_(1936) (links to ship pages with refit dates)

#186 – DDH 205 St. Laurent – 1961
- first ship (Assiniboine) conversion to DDH completed in 1963
- Type is listed as DE-Destroyer Escort instead of DDH-Helicopter Destroyer

Sources
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/postwar/stlauren/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Laurent-class_destroyer

#7 – DDH 205 St. Laurent – 1967
- Is equipped with Mk46 LWT Mod 2 - (1972) Torpedo, should it instead still have the Mk44 Mod 1 – (1959, Major version) instead like the preceding unit?
- The CA/SQS-504 – (1964, VDS) is removed on the 1967 entry and reappears on the 1972 entry. I cannot find anything that says the system was removed, please add to 1967 entry

Sources
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/postwar/stlauren/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/ship/7/

#184 DDH 265 Annapolis – 1967
- Crew drops from 228 on 1964 unit to 210 on this entry and back to 228 on 1972 unit
- Mk46 LWT Mod 2 - (1972) Torpedo is fitted on this unit while Mk46 LWT Mod 1 - (1969, Major version) Torpedo is fitted on 1972 unit in CWDB and DB3000, should be flipped?

HYPOTHETICAL UNIT – FFE (Vancouver Class) 1956-
- x13 units, 10 for RCN, 3 for NATO mutual aid
- Memorandum to Cabinet, Mainguy summarized the navy’s proposal:
The Royal Canadian Navy is preparing plans for an anti-submarine escort vessel which is a simplified development of the St. Laurent-class destroyer escort. This twenty-four knot ship, known as the Vancouver-class frigate, is intended primarily for use in the limited role of immediate defence of a convoy and will not have the full capability of the St. Laurent-class destroyer escort in offensive anti-submarine operations. It will be a single screw ship as opposed to the twin screw St. Laurent-class destroyer escort and will use a single unit of machinery basically similar to the two units used in the St. Laurent-class ships. It will be possible to construct the Vancouver-class frigates relatively quickly in wartime and they will be more economical to build than the larger, faster and more powerfully armed St. Laurents.


Sources:
--- http://www.navalreview.ca/wp-content/uploads/public/vol3num1/vol3num1art6.pdf


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 9/7/2019 6:55:12 AM   
.Sirius


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 9/12/2019 12:30:38 PM   
Para87

 

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Status: offline 		Seems to be an issue with fuel consumption for a bunch of US ships with DB 476 and 477. 470 is fine.

Here's the Canberra. Other ships affected include Helena, Boston, Rochester and probably others as well.


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 9/12/2019 3:38:05 PM   
.Sirius


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 9/22/2019 3:28:10 AM   
ARCNA442

 

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Status: offline 		The 3" rocket loadout for the British Brigand B.1 (#720) is bugged. While the Database says the loadout has a "350nm Strike radius, Hi-Lo-Hi profile" just like the other three loadouts with external weapons, the 3" rocket loadout actually has approximately 175nm of range (not radius) at optimum cruise speed and altitude.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 9/29/2019 5:15:55 PM   
Para87

 

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Status: offline 		Turns out database 470 is affected as well after all. When can we expect this issue to be addressed?


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 9/29/2019 5:18:19 PM   
.Sirius


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 9/30/2019 1:14:11 PM   
Para87

 

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ORIGINAL: .Sirius

When I push another db update out


and the ETA on that is? One would hope this is a priority given scenarios are broken with ships running out of fuel leaving them stranded and useless.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 9/30/2019 3:14:18 PM   
.Sirius


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ETA is when I've finished updating the DB, I do have alot of behind the scens requests for addition work for future DLC's so work is prioritised

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 10/6/2019 10:35:08 PM   
boogabooga

 

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Status: offline 		Greetings,

I'm new to CMANO.

I purchased Chains of War specifically because I am interest in Cold War era "cargo operations". However, most of the CW cargo planes do not seem to work properly with Cargo Operations. For example, the C-124 seems limited to a 2 (!!!) ton cargo loadout (~1/15 of its real-world capacity). But, I can't load ANY cargo because it has a 0/0 crew member rating, and ALL of the CW cargos have at least one crew member.

Transports in CWDB that are shared between databases do seem to work as expected (ex. C-2 greyhound, C-141A, C-130 varients).

If the Cargo Operations was only intended for use in the post-1980 database, then it might be a good idea to state that clearly in the CoW description where cargo operations are discussed, so that customers have a better idea of what they are purchasing.

By the way, here are a few transport planes that appear to be missing from the CWDB:

C-46
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/196258/curtiss-c-46d-commando/

C-82
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/195679/fairchild-c-82-packet/

transport C-121 / VC-121
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/195805/lockheed-vc-121e-columbine-iii/

C-133:
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/198055/douglas-c-133a-cargo-master/


One tiny little detail that might not matter anyway: The R-3350 and R-4360 are NOT turboprops. They are very large radial piston engines.


Thank you.


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 10/22/2019 9:41:34 PM   
Whicker

 

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Status: offline 		asdding to Para87's fuel issue - CB 1 Alaska is also incorrect. DBID 620

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 10/23/2019 4:29:25 AM   
Fido81

 

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Status: offline 		Next time you're adding to the weapons of this database, could you please consider including the SM-62 Snark?
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/196745/northrop-sm-62-snark/

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/1/2019 10:42:01 PM   
Eboreg

 

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Status: offline 		You know, I actually kind of disappointed that ROCS Tan Yang isn't in the Database.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/16/2019 3:11:21 PM   
Seufner

 

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Status: offline 		Hi,
i want to report an issue: In both games the Alaska-Class Egine use 148 kg fuel per minute (Iowa about 4 kg). This ships cannot drive a lot, so it is difficult to design szenarios in WW2 Pacific.
I tried this a year ago and i rember more ships maybe USA Cruisers with the same issues. All in the CWDB and most WW2 ships

edit: USA Cruiser Stream - engines have the same problem like the USS Rochester Class
edit 2: the rochester has 2000 tons of fuel and with this lvl she has a normal range. The iowa has only 60 tons but only uses 4kg. But the Alaska uses 140 and has only 40 tons. She runs out of fuel at flank within 5 hrs. CL Cleveland uses only 3kg but has 1490 tons. She runs at flank for a year

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/18/2019 1:24:00 PM   
stilesw


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In both games the Alaska-Class Egine use 148 kg fuel per minute (Iowa about 4 kg)


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/24/2019 6:07:09 PM   
Dreamsicle

 

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Status: offline 		I'm not sure where to put this as I believe the unit discrepancy involves shared units between CWDB and DB3K.

The 1972 variants of the A-6E have advanced computing bombsights but the 1975 variants have ballistic computing. If possible can the CWDB and DB3K versions of the 1975 A-6E have advanced computing bombsights or the 1972 variants of the A-6E have ballistic computing to correct this downgrade in bombsights?

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/28/2019 11:26:52 AM   
Devast8or

 

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Status: offline 		Looking at the DB entry aircraft 2118, S35E Draken has all the targeting OODA entries set to 0, is it because it can only carry Recon pod?


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/27/2019 8:33:29 PM   
Mgellis


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Status: offline 		Okay, deep down, we all know that everyone wants to use CMO to SINK THE BISMARCK!. To do this, we have to add the Bismarck, and a few other ships. So, here is my request, the first of a series, for the Bismarck-class battleships (both of them, and they are slightly different)...

Attached are technical details, cheerfully stolen from Wikipedia...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismarck-class_battleship

Thanks for considering these!






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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/27/2019 8:48:37 PM   
Mgellis


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Status: offline 		Along with the Bismarck, the Germans sent a consort cruiser, the Prinz Eugen. Prinz Eugen was a member of the Admiral Hipper class. She actually survived until the end of the Second World War, so she could have theoretically been part of some alternate history mission in the late 1940s.

Please consider adding the Admiral Hipper class. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Hipper-class_cruiser






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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/27/2019 8:55:22 PM   
Mgellis


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Status: offline 		Please consider adding the HMS Hood. Might be interesting to see how she would fare in a rematch against Bismarck and Prinz Eugen. (Prince of Wales can be modeled with King George V...I don't know if there were enough differences between the two vessels to justify different entries in the database. If there are, please consider adding her, too.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral-class_battlecruiser









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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/28/2019 7:59:54 PM   
Mgellis


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Status: offline 		Possible database error...

#2117 Factory Trawler
Based on how long these ships typically stay out, and how far out they go, the fuel should be 60 tons rather than 12 tons. This would increase the range so that these very large trawlers can reach remote spots in the ocean.

Thanks for considering this.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 1/2/2020 11:29:51 AM   
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Please check bottom of the data from DB3K(v480) / CWDB(v478)

DB3K AIM-7F Sparrow III - range : 38nm
CWDB AIM-7F Sparrow III - range : 55nm

DB3K AIM-7E4 Sparrow III - range : 16nm
CWDB AIM-7E4 Sparrow III - range : 24nm

DB3K AIM-7E2 Sparrow III - range : 16nm
CWDB AIM-7E2 Sparrow III - range : 24nm

DB3K AIM-9J Sidewinder - range : 7.82nm
CWDB AIM-9J Sidewinder - range : 10nm

DB3K AIM-9H Sidewinder - range : 9.5nm
CWDB AIM-9H Sidewinder - range : 10nm

DB3K AIM-9G Sidewinder - range : 9.5nm
CWDB AIM-9G Sidewinder - range : 8nm

DB3K AIM-9D Sidewinder - range : 11nm
CWDB AIM-9D Sidewinder - range : 8nm

DB3K AIM-9C Sidewinder - range : 8.9nm
CWDB AIM-9C Sidewinder - range : 8nm



It's correct DB3K v480.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-7.html

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 1/4/2020 2:15:52 AM   
jun5896

 

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Status: offline 		F-4J Phantom II(1972~1974) didn't mount AIM-7F Sparrow III

AIM-7F Sparrow III was introduced in 1974 and IOT&E of AIM-7F in 1978.


https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=RP961uyXhZAC&rdid=book-RP961uyXhZAC&rdot=1
Department of Defense Appropriations for Fiscal Year 1973(1972), Page 795-796
https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=aZAcAAAAMAAJ&rdid=book-aZAcAAAAMAAJ&rdot=1
Department of Defense Appropriations for 1975(1974), Page 1199

https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_pdf.cfm?DACH_RECNO=600




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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 1/8/2020 11:10:44 PM   
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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 1/10/2020 4:37:36 PM   
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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 1/14/2020 7:18:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		@Boogabooga,your post #822 has been logged. Be advised that CMANO/CMO deliberately uses a turboprop propulsion model for all propeller-driven aircraft.

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L5 mod 3 torpedo - 1/30/2020 3:24:01 PM   
pclaurent

 

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Status: offline 		L5 mod 3 torpedo (French navy) was for ASW *and* anti surface ship combat, not only ASW.
It had a 5 nm range (not 3 nm)
Source: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpille#Torpilles_utilis%C3%A9es_par_la_Marine_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise

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RE: L5 mod 3 torpedo - 1/30/2020 5:56:13 PM   
stilesw


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L5 mod 3 torpedo (French navy) was for ASW *and* anti surface ship combat, not only ASW.
It had a 5 nm range (not 3 nm)

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