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YohanTM2 -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 3:28:26 AM)

"I edit his English"

Perhaps someone else should correct the grammar? :)

On a serious note the paragraphs on the unit write-ups would look better if the paragraph was justified, and also split into paragraphs.



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 3:53:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Yohan
"I edit his English"

Perhaps someone else should correct the grammar? :)

On a serious note the paragraphs on the unit write-ups would look better if the paragraph was justified, and also split into paragraphs.


You would prefer "I correct his English"? Or "I edit the text to correct his English"?

He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones ... What do you mean by "if the paragraph was justified"? It seems unwarranted?

As it is, paragraphs are left justified within the panel with the first line indented, as in most text. If you are referring to the ragged versus right-side alignment, I have mixed feelings about that. Sometimes there is so much blank space to spread out over the line that the line looks "spaced out" (a technical term from the 1960's I believe). The ragged ends are the easiest solution to implement - so, voila.



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 3:55:38 AM)

A couple of the air units, from my allotment of 10 to edit for today. There's not much editing to do with these early planes.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 3:56:36 AM)

Last in series.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 6:54:53 AM)

Here are two of the HQ descriptions with better formatting. The original text is by Graham Dodge (Greyshaft) with editing by Peter Kanjowski (pak19652002). All I did was insert some paragraph breaks.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 6:59:42 AM)

The second half of Blamey - so as not to leave you in suspense.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 7:01:28 AM)

Here is Clark - I still haven't gotten around to solving the transparency problem btuit is really starting to annoy me.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 7:04:19 AM)

The second half of Clark. You might notice that the list of units only includes HQ's. That is because I have set the filter to do that. I'll show the filter choices next.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 7:07:38 AM)

Last in series. The filter is pretty much unchanged from CWIF. There are a few new unit types (I notice that some of them are missing - probably has to due with which optional rules are active). And, obviously, I have converted the form to the new color scheme/theme.

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Neilster -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 7:11:40 AM)

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Sometimes there is so much blank space to spread out over the line that the line looks "spaced out" (a technical term from the 1960's I believe).


I agree.

And I believe the term from the 60s was "spaced out, man", as in "How are you feeling after eating those mushrooms, brother?" [X(]

Cheers, Neilster





Froonp -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 9:38:28 AM)

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He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones ... What do you mean by "if the paragraph was justified"? It seems unwarranted?

A "justified" paragraph is a paragraph where both the left and the right sides are aligned straights. I am not sure you english speakers use the "justified" word, it is the one uses in French.



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 12:29:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
quote:

He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones ... What do you mean by "if the paragraph was justified"? It seems unwarranted?

A "justified" paragraph is a paragraph where both the left and the right sides are aligned straights. I am not sure you english speakers use the "justified" word, it is the one uses in French.


There are many ways to align/justify paragraphs: left, right, center, full, and all (according to WordPerfect). Yohan probably meant full or all, which place text against both the left and right margins then spread the extra spaces evenly between the words. Though he could have been commenting about the indentation at the start of each paragraph.

I was using a "play on words", intentionally misunderstanding the word justified as one of its other meanings - to justify: to explain why something exists or is/was done. "Is that attitude justified?" = "Is that attitude warranted?"



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 11:57:50 PM)

Here are 3 naval unit writeups from my allotment to edit today.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/4/2006 11:59:00 PM)

I thought it might be interesting to compare the Yorktown with the Yorktown II.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/5/2006 12:03:52 AM)

Last in the series.

There is a problem with the Range as reported in the Unit Data box. I believe Chris was setting it as 0 (6) because the unit was disrupted. There are several changes needed here: I want to change the wording to disorganized; why is a unit in the not available pool (not available to be built until 1943) disorganized?; and even if a unit is disorganized, I still want to show its range as 6.

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christo -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/5/2006 12:38:59 PM)

I was looking for my daily MWIF "fix" and after looking at all the most recent posts I went back and looked at the posts in this topic from december last year. The improvement in the units is absolutely amazing.

kudos to the man.

Keep up the fantastic work.[:D]



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/6/2006 3:12:08 AM)

1 from today's allotment of formatted HQs.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/6/2006 3:13:19 AM)

Terauchi, part 2

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/6/2006 3:14:34 AM)

Last in series. Terauchi's legacy.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/6/2006 6:11:25 AM)

I decided I liked having the numbers separate in the naval units so I am doing the same for the air units. There's an extra blank line here, but otherwise it is what I intend to do.

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Froonp -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/6/2006 7:47:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I decided I liked having the numbers separate in the naval units so I am doing the same for the air units. There's an extra blank line here, but otherwise it is what I intend to do.

I like too. I wanted to comment and tell this a few days ago, but did not do it.



terje439 -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/6/2006 1:09:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I decided I liked having the numbers separate in the naval units so I am doing the same for the air units. There's an extra blank line here, but otherwise it is what I intend to do.


/sign



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/6/2006 9:21:12 PM)

One from today's set of 20 newly formatted. I added some of my own text at the end, to supplement Terje's description.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/9/2006 10:07:44 PM)

Here are a couple writeups on carrier based planes. Greyshaft did all of these, with only formatting by me. (I am working my way through the 1200 writeups that need to be formatted).

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/9/2006 10:14:53 PM)

Greyshaft also did all the HQ unit writeups. They were later edited by Peter (PAK######), and lastly, had paragraphing added by me.

I am looking for someone to do writeups for the other land units. There were many famous land units in WWII: the SS, the armor, paratroop, marine, and mountain corps come to mind. The infantry corps also fought long and hard from the beginning to the end of this war. I do not have time to do the research myself, so I am hoping for volunteers. Do you have a favorite land unit you would like to write 300 to 400 words about?

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sajbalk -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/9/2006 10:42:19 PM)

Land unit descriptions are difficult -- are we to assume that the unit's designation is actually the divisional one? For example the US 1st corps has a red "1" which probably refers to the 1st division.




Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/9/2006 11:27:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sajbalk

Land unit descriptions are difficult -- are we to assume that the unit's designation is actually the divisional one? For example the US 1st corps has a red "1" which probably refers to the 1st division.



WIF land units come in 4 sizes: Division (XX), Corps(XXX), Army(XXXX), and Army Group(XXXXX). You can tell the size of the unit by the number of X's above its NATO symbol. Very few units are at the division size, so I am more interested in acquiring writeups on the larger size units. Clearly that means the narrative will have to use a broad brush in describing the unit's creation and activities during the war. These will be more along the lines of the campaigns they particiated in.

However, it might also be possible to describe the smaller units that made up the larger one. Then the activities of the elements of Corps X or Army Y might be described at a finer level.

I am quite open here as to how these are done. That is, what is included.

For the other unit descriptions we have been using the folowing guidelines:

1 - Some numbers associated with the unit (size & weapons), but not too many.
2 - Important dates are important.
3 - Pre-war and post-war stuff for perspective is nice. It doesn't always exist though (e.g., ship was build in 1942 and sunk in 1944).
4 - No plagarism. However, the facts have to be gathered somewhere - just not word for word. Using multiple sources helps here.
5 - Anecdotes are best. Something memorable about the unit makes the text interesting to read.

The length doesn't really matter, other than too much would be too much. Don't you love self-referencing definitions?

Did you have something specific in mind?



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/9/2006 11:29:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sajbalk

Land unit descriptions are difficult -- are we to assume that the unit's designation is actually the divisional one? For example the US 1st corps has a red "1" which probably refers to the 1st division.



Sorry, I never directly answered your question. I believe the 1 refers to 1st Corps. The other unit designations should be for the corresponding sized unit.



Froonp -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/10/2006 12:49:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

quote:

ORIGINAL: sajbalk

Land unit descriptions are difficult -- are we to assume that the unit's designation is actually the divisional one? For example the US 1st corps has a red "1" which probably refers to the 1st division.

Sorry, I never directly answered your question. I believe the 1 refers to 1st Corps. The other unit designations should be for the corresponding sized unit.

On the counter, the "1" means it is the 1s US INF Corps.
But, the fact that it is bold and red, tells me that the designers have wanted to refer to the 1st US INF DIV, also called the Big Red One, in reference for its insign which was a Big Red "1".

That's why I think it is close to impossible to give writeups for the Land Units, because, first, famous WWII land units are division sized, quite never Corps sized, and second, because I believe that Corps composition changed through the war, that is, the Big Red One was not part of the same Corps for all the war. The later is only a general assumption, as I know nothing of WWII real Corps assignements of the Big Red One.



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Modding unit bitmaps (10/10/2006 1:05:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
quote:

ORIGINAL: sajbalk
Land unit descriptions are difficult -- are we to assume that the unit's designation is actually the divisional one? For example the US 1st corps has a red "1" which probably refers to the 1st division.

Sorry, I never directly answered your question. I believe the 1 refers to 1st Corps. The other unit designations should be for the corresponding sized unit.

On the counter, the "1" means it is the 1s US INF Corps.
But, the fact that it is bold and red, tells me that the designers have wanted to refer to the 1st US INF DIV, also called the Big Red One, in reference for its insign which was a Big Red "1".

That's why I think it is close to impossible to give writeups for the Land Units, because, first, famous WWII land units are division sized, quite never Corps sized, and second, because I believe that Corps composition changed through the war, that is, the Big Red One was not part of the same Corps for all the war. The later is only a general assumption, as I know nothing of WWII real Corps assignements of the Big Red One.


I am not so pessimisstic about this task. Most land units in WIF have 'names', though most often they are numbers and/or letters of some kind. When the designers (ADG) gave the unit a 'name' and assigned numeric values to its ability to move and fight, they were basing that on some historical unit. True, the composition of the unit may have changed during the war. I expect that most of them did. But that doesn't prevent us from doing a writeup on the unit.

If nothing else we could say things like:
"The corps originally was composed of the following divisions ... "
"When it fought in xxx it had division Y replaced by division Z."
"Just before the battle of ABC it was reinforced by division R."
"The most famous division within Corps Z was division S which remained a part of the corps throughout the war."
"As it pushed farther into enemy territory, division L was on the left, division C was in the center, division R was on the right, and division M was in a mobile reserve."

I have only lightly touched upon some possibilities here. There is a lot that can be discussed either in terms of the corps/army/army group itself, or by referring to the elements that made up the large formation.



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