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ORIGINAL: SMK-at-work
Most Russian a/c fal into the category too - even the diminutuve Yak-3 - reputedly hte best dogfighter of the war:

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ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain

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ORIGINAL: Smead

Really, the dislike for the United States, and even Western Europe, here, by the misc. Balkan Bois, is based upon several reasons.

1. Bafflement on the part of outsiders, like murderous neanderthals in the Balkans for example, that a multi-cultural nation and society, like the USA, can be so damned successful while in most other areas it just doesn't work. We therefore can concentrate on cultural, scientific and political accomplishment while others are still living in 1345 AD.

2. Disapointment on the part of those left behind, especially in Eastern Europe, when the best and brightest emigrated to the United States, ensuring their descendents of a marvelous existence far from the miserable conditions in the old countries.

3. Embarassment at home country conditions which have resembled those in backwaters like Liberia, Sierra Leone and the Congo. These conditions requiring Western European countries and the USA to send tens of thousands of soldiers to prevent the locals from acting as barbarians.

4. Realization that the future of the world lies in the direction of what is occuring in the USA and Western Europe regarding nearly every aspect of human developement and knowing that they have been left behind at the train station waving goodbye.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Stop that, my stomach is hurting me!

You see USA is one big melting pot. But, I was in USA, now call me racist or something but I wouldn't trade The Balkans for 1000 USA.

You are pathetic and worthless as a nation and as a people compared with The Balkans.

So what's to envy in USA? McDonalds culture of beaten land. You sure have beaten back when you accept that piece of junk and product of USA into your country.

As DNA (DNK) is strongest party in the world let's analyze something. I think that your melting pot misfired. With all that mixing of Irish with Pechuko Indians and later with Germans and Kojotee Nawai produced one thing - a nation of arrogant swines who think that they can own all universe.

You don't even know what is The Balkans. That is too good to be true for you.

Yes, we had stupid wars but our history and our people is still a thousand miles in front of Americans.

I know that Oleg will now say that I am disgrace but who cares, I am having fun [:D]

Do you think that anyone in the Balkans envy your pathetic civilization of America? You are wrong, completely wrong.
Even in that to return to DNA (DNK) we have descendants of Ilires here, descendants of Romans, old Ancient greeks (when I go to Ploce that is, descendants of blood Ancient Greeks).

As you are too stupid to comprehend anything I will try to explain something to you.
Do you know how old is this history of the Balkans? Too much for you.

By one thory even Troya was in fact in delta of Neretva. And your history is in fact history of genocide killing million Indians that have come to your way.

Blah! Take your USA and take your fake Hollywood movies with you.

We in Europe don't need you.

In fact it's kind of ironic that Superpower No. 1 have become this nation of clowns called Americans.

I think that this post will bring lot's of flames LOL


Mario

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ORIGINAL: sven
But when the implementation was such that EVERYONE honestly felt their cultures should "lead the glory" rather than being implemented in such a way that true pan-ethnic nationalism took hold you had the festering of a system taking the worst of Jim Crow without the internal correcting mechanism a true representative democracy had built in. Now maybe one could argue that given another 25 years of relative calm Hungary would have shown more willingness to share power with their subject minorities since they took baby steps that way even as early as 1868 mirroring to some extent their own accommodation with Austria in '67. *Maybe* Then again when even as late as 1907 Hungary engaged in book burnings over trying to force the Slovaks to teach/do bussiness only in Hungarian I am hesitant to think that even sans Gavrillo's tantrum "it all would have been ok by 1939".

Well before 1848 we did not really had the chance to influence our/their fate due to the "beautiful" Hasburgs, who btw got to power with the help of us see Dürnkrut 1278. In the uprising there was a real chance to agree with the rumanians and the slovaks, but a number of unfortunate events (including mistakes from both sides + the acting of our "beloved" Habsbrugs) it has failed. Serbs were another story, since they started "supporting" their case with such acts like mass killings of children. The croats iimediately led an army against the. So there was little to do with them. After the uprising, as a reward for putting it down, they got as a gift what we got as a punishment.

As of sharing power after 1867 yes it could have been done, but when one is free after 300 years finally tends to make mistakes. It was the age of nationalism. We were just as nationalistic as the other nations. No more no less. One more thing. How many multicultural country exists today in Europe? Yugoslavia, gone, Czechslowakia, gone USSR, gone. Belgium, UK slowly falling apart, Tell me one where one minority has a share of 20% it doe not thrive for an independent country. I know the US but tell what are PROPORTIONS? Some 10% black and 8% latin? When they reach 40% together you wont recognize your own country. Believe me. And they will all scream how mistreated they were.[;)]
You know when you suddenyl realize your power it is not that easy to share. But heck why dont the US shows us some example how we should have done it? You have struggled for 50 yrs to be No1. Now you are. You can really show how to share it. [;)]

As of the Iron curtain you speak, along with smead, of it as if it were my choice SO i HAVE to suffer the consequences. If you really insist it was FDR who tossed us into the mouth of Stalin in Yalta. Churchill wanted to contain the soviets, but FDR has not supported the landing in Yugoslavia or simply opposing Stalin's dictates etc. If it was naivity or something else for us did not matter. If one person can and should be named for NOT making steps (when it WAS possible) it is FDR.

I am really pissed of at Rune's and at Smead's outright RACIST comments. Just because I am from behind the Iron Curtain I am not worse than ANY of you- NOT better either, but unlike you I never said something like this.

TO ALLOW SUCH OUTRIGHT RACISM IS THE REAL SHAME OF MATRIX! OF COURS IT GOES WITH US BASHING BUT THE **** STARTED FLYING AROUND WHEN THE MADCOW MORONS KICKED THE NIGHTPOT!

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ORIGINAL: pauk

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ORIGINAL: Smead
Disapointment on the part of those left behind, especially in Eastern Europe, when the best and brightest emigrated to the United States, ensuring their descendents of a marvelous existence far from the miserable conditions in the old countries.

hm...not original, this was Hitler speech in '45 - the only difference between your post is that you generoulsy allowed us barbarians to stay alive, while Hitler didn not care for destiny of the Germans.[:D]

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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

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ORIGINAL: Smead
Really, the dislike for the United States, and even Western Europe, here, by the misc. Balkan Bois, is based upon several reasons.

Hm. If there's one thing you could and should have learned by now than it's that I have very little in common with some people I geographically live close to. In fact I've been thru more nasty Internet flame wars with Mario (Monkey Brain), who is my compatriot and indeed we live in the same city, than with the rest of you taken together. Some of them were so nasty as to make this thread look like English gentlemen's club tea party by comparison.

Yet, like a regular ignorant Steakhouse monkey you are, you keep on insisting in putting us all very different people in the same bag, simply because we have ONE and maybe JUST ONE trait in common, that is we think you are complete idiot. [:D]

We may have differing opinions on all other billions of issues in the universe - as I am SURE we do have - but your ignorant, closeminded, limited brain does all it can to lump us together as that is the only way for you to explain some pretty basic social and communication phenomena. That's quite interesting in fact. [8D]

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No flames, just pity for your poor situation.

Another case of "The Emperor's New Clothes".[;)]

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ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain
See Oleg, Smead have found you that you are guilty as charged. [:D]
That is because you play nicely and don't open the fire with all guns blazing. You must work on counterbattery fire hehe.

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Too excited to quote properly Mario? LOL [:D]

You are an embarassment sometimes. [8|] One would expect you'd learn to control your temper by now.

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Got out of the game myself a while back...

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ORIGINAL: hawker

No one never beat Red Army[;)]
That is the fact.[8D]

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ORIGINAL: hawker

No one never beat Red Army[;)]
That is the fact.[8D]

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