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pauk -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/3/2007 10:10:37 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/14/42 here you can see Englanders plan - a "bold" naval strike behind frontlines.... Why i'm saying "bold"... because Englander knows that he doesnt be afraid of Italian Navy and that I don't have torpedo bomber... very brave, Speedy, very brave[sm=happy0065.gif]... just to be sure, he sent navy under the cover of bad weather....phew![;)][:D] Anyway, i'm going to[sm=fighting0056.gif] Speedy! Rommel rules! Night Time Surface Combat, near Benghazi at 45,128 Japanese Ships BB Giulio Cesare, Shell hits 1 CA Trento, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Francesco Crispi, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage DD Maestrale, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Fuciliere, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk Allied Ships BB Valiant, Shell hits 1 BB Malaya, Shell hits 1 CL Ajax CL Leander DD Eclipse DD Griffin, Shell hits 1 DD Hero DD Inconstant, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Isis DD Raider DD Tartar This TF was ordered to leave Benghazi????? Night Time Surface Combat, near Benghazi at 45,128 Japanese Ships AK Cortelazzo, Shell hits 1 AK Col di Lana AK Monte Piana AK Monviso, Shell hits 1, on fire AK Delia, Shell hits 10, and is sunk AK Tergestea, Shell hits 1 AK Nita AK Gino Allegri AK Carlo del Greco AK Alcamo AK Spoleta, Shell hits 1 AK Ines Corrado, Shell hits 1 AK Caterina Costa AK Rossandra, Shell hits 1, on fire Allied Ships BB Valiant BB Malaya CL Ajax CL Leander DD Eclipse DD Griffin DD Hero DD Inconstant, on fire DD Isis DD Raider DD Tartar Cowardly Englander plays unfair here TF 14 encounters mine field at Benghazi (45,128) Japanese Ships AK Nita, Mine hits 1, on fire I relased my war dogs... Day Air attack on TF at 48,124 Japanese aircraft Z-1007 Bis x 8 Japanese aircraft losses Z-1007 Bis: 5 damaged Allied Ships BB Queen Elizabeth Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet 4 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 49,126 Japanese aircraft Z-1007 Bis x 15 Japanese aircraft losses Z-1007 Bis: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged Allied Ships BB Malaya BB Valiant Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet 2 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet 4 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 48,124 Japanese aircraft Z-1007 Bis x 7 Japanese aircraft losses Z-1007 Bis: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied Ships BB Queen Elizabeth BB Warspite CL Edinburgh Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet 1 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet 2 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 5000 feet

Capt. Harlock -> Speedy's Antics (4/3/2007 10:57:14 PM)
Well, one should expect Speedy to use his strengths. (I'll bet he's unhappy about having expended his torpedoes before he encountered the cargo ships!) But as for no torpedo bombers: true, there were no German ones in early 1942, but I would have thought there were Italian ones. Weren't the SM79's torpedo-capable?

Nikademus -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/3/2007 11:00:20 PM)
Yes, but they didn't carry them at all times. (They could carry a pair but rarely ever did so...usually it was one.)

Nikademus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/3/2007 11:03:33 PM)
were you trying to offload a big supply dump at Benghazi Pauk?

Swayin -> RE: WAR IN THE MEDITERRANEAN: Speedy vs Pauk (4/4/2007 8:38:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent Malta is also supposed to have huge AA defences. Agreed - if ever there was a "flak nest," it was Malta.

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/4/2007 10:47:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nikademus Yes, but they didn't carry them at all times. (They could carry a pair but rarely ever did so...usually it was one.) The point being that Pauk has them if he's willing to use them. (And I personally would rather have SM 79's than Albacores -- longer range is a Good Thing.)

pauk -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/5/2007 12:04:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nikademus were you trying to offload a big supply dump at Benghazi Pauk? part of supplies were unloaded and other part remained at ships as 'active reserve' (didn't want to create a big supply dump at Benghazi because of spoilage

pauk -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 12:05:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: ORIGINAL: Nikademus Yes, but they didn't carry them at all times. (They could carry a pair but rarely ever did so...usually it was one.) The point being that Pauk has them if he's willing to use them. (And I personally would rather have SM 79's than Albacores -- longer range is a Good Thing.) SM 79 have bomb load only, according to statistics... anyway i was only teasing Speedy[;)]

Nikademus -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 12:14:47 AM)
Fremen's ahead of me.....he has an SM-79 and a SM-79T for the torpedo dedicated airgroups.

anarchyintheuk -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 12:36:48 AM)
Thought Ju-88s were using torps earlier than '42, tho I can't seem to find a site that uses a date or specifically identifies a naval attack as a torpedo attack.

Terminus -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 1:03:10 AM)
And what about the He-111, the first torpedo-carrying variant predates the war... and the He-115, for that matter...

Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 1:04:46 AM)
At this rate every darn Axis plane will be able to carry torps. Don't forget Mitchells and Marauders did too oh and Liberators[;)]

Terminus -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 1:11:00 AM)
Well, there were plans for a torpedo-carrying version of the Stuka...[:D]

wworld7 -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 1:25:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Speedy At this rate every darn Axis plane will be able to carry torps. Don't forget Mitchells and Marauders did too oh and Liberators[;)] Maybe even the ME109t (which with some "small" modifications in design and a bigger engine could have carreid four (4) torpedoes) and a pizza oven.

Terminus -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 1:29:22 AM)
And the kitchen sink...

kokubokan25 -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 9:36:54 AM)
Speaking seriously: Yes, in my first version only the S-79T (italian) and Beaufort (british) can carry torpedoes. (land based of course) But in the 1.1 version the situation is very different, now the Beaufighter X (british) and SM84 (italian) can also carry torpedoes. In the upcoming (i hope) 1.2 version, the He-111 (german) and some of the Wellington III groups will carry too. No more placid walkings with TFs around Bomb Alley.

Nikademus -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 4:10:40 PM)
I'm not sure thats a good idea, having seen the effect of torpedo proliferation in WitP. For the usual reasons, the Japanese side gets focused on with this issue but it was also present on the Allied side in the form of the Beufort......it had a high enough production rate Allied players could massacre shipping around forward areas far more quickly than the RL timescale. I ended up severely restricting the torp Beufort varient in NM versions to cut down on this. I think having too many torp equipped planes in the Med scen would be even worse because unlike RL, air search and attack with airpower is so much more efficient. Warships and merchants won't be able to operate anywhere near the hot spots.

Terminus -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/5/2007 4:27:21 PM)
Well, that's what happens when you have a war in a bath tub...

Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/6/2007 5:13:44 PM)
Hi all, As Pauk says the RN rule and RM sucks[:'(] I have ordered both my BB TF's interesting assignments tomorrow - 1 to shell a base on Crete which is housing damaged ships from our first naval battle and the other to shell enemy troops at Tobruk. Tobruk will fall soon I think and with it this campaign version will end since only a battered Bde and Division will stand between the Axis and Egypt then.

Nikademus -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/6/2007 5:30:07 PM)
get the pkg Speedo?

blam0 -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/6/2007 11:26:28 PM)
I'm kinda struggling with some of the complaints about the speed of the axis advance in NA. Isn't that basically what happened? Given enough supplies (which I'll get to in a min) Rommel seemed to be able to root the Brits out of any position they put themselves into. Everything I've ever read suggested that the only thing that ever stopped Rommel before 10/42 was a shortage of supplies and/or tanks. If there was a flaw with the combat model, I'd say it would be the complete inability to disengage, say a "trave" versus "attack" speed of movement. This would allow the British to retreat, and "prepare positions while the Axis resupplies. Regarding supplies, I am under the impression that Malta and British subs were the major obstacles to the Axis getting the level of supplies required to sustain operations. Given that there was no will to "deal with" Malta appropriately by Hitler, i.e., invade, then Malta should be a major thorn in the side of the Axis. Maybe there needs to be a resource point there, and maybe the Italians just need fewer planes...I'm not sure from this perspective. Just my .02

Speedysteve -> RE: Speedy's Antics (4/6/2007 11:31:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nikademus get the pkg Speedo? Sure did bud

Speedysteve -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/6/2007 11:35:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blam0 I'm kinda struggling with some of the complaints about the speed of the axis advance in NA. Isn't that basically what happened? Given enough supplies (which I'll get to in a min) Rommel seemed to be able to root the Brits out of any position they put themselves into. Everything I've ever read suggested that the only thing that ever stopped Rommel before 10/42 was a shortage of supplies and/or tanks. If there was a flaw with the combat model, I'd say it would be the complete inability to disengage, say a "trave" versus "attack" speed of movement. This would allow the British to retreat, and "prepare positions while the Axis resupplies. Regarding supplies, I am under the impression that Malta and British subs were the major obstacles to the Axis getting the level of supplies required to sustain operations. Given that there was no will to "deal with" Malta appropriately by Hitler, i.e., invade, then Malta should be a major thorn in the side of the Axis. Maybe there needs to be a resource point there, and maybe the Italians just need fewer planes...I'm not sure from this perspective. Just my .02 Hi, Always good to have discussion. I agree with you in that the main Axis problem when they had the initiative in NA was the lack of supply and fuel caused by Allied efforts and Italian inneficiency. However in game terms this is just not the case. For example in 2 weeks (15th January 1942) game time the Axis are at Tobruk with only a 1/2 organised Bde and Division in front of them to Egypt. The ability to shock attack incessantly and the poor ground modelling (IMO) mean a Blitzkreig of un-approachable proportions can be made by the Axis. Also as you mention supply and fuel can easily be sent to NA in quantities Rommel would've dreamed of[;)]

blam0 -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/6/2007 11:46:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Speedy quote: ORIGINAL: blam0 I'm kinda struggling with some of the complaints about the speed of the axis advance in NA. Isn't that basically what happened? Given enough supplies (which I'll get to in a min) Rommel seemed to be able to root the Brits out of any position they put themselves into. Everything I've ever read suggested that the only thing that ever stopped Rommel before 10/42 was a shortage of supplies and/or tanks. If there was a flaw with the combat model, I'd say it would be the complete inability to disengage, say a "trave" versus "attack" speed of movement. This would allow the British to retreat, and "prepare positions while the Axis resupplies. Regarding supplies, I am under the impression that Malta and British subs were the major obstacles to the Axis getting the level of supplies required to sustain operations. Given that there was no will to "deal with" Malta appropriately by Hitler, i.e., invade, then Malta should be a major thorn in the side of the Axis. Maybe there needs to be a resource point there, and maybe the Italians just need fewer planes...I'm not sure from this perspective. Just my .02 Hi, Always good to have discussion. I agree with you in that the main Axis problem when they had the initiative in NA was the lack of supply and fuel caused by Allied efforts and Italian inneficiency. However in game terms this is just not the case. For example in 2 weeks (15th January 1942) game time the Axis are at Tobruk with only a 1/2 organised Bde and Division in front of them to Egypt. The ability to shock attack incessantly and the poor ground modelling (IMO) mean a Blitzkreig of un-approachable proportions can be made by the Axis. Also as you mention supply and fuel can easily be sent to NA in quantities Rommel would've dreamed of[;)] Can this be solved simply with a HR of no more than 1 Shock attack per x days? Can the decay rate of supplies and/or the cost of moving it overland be modded? IIRC, Rommel complained incessantly that the cost of moving the fuel by road was almost not worth the effort. Maybe by altering the decay rate, the extended lines of supply can be more accurately emulated.

pauk -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 12:02:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Speedy quote: ORIGINAL: blam0 I'm kinda struggling with some of the complaints about the speed of the axis advance in NA. Isn't that basically what happened? Given enough supplies (which I'll get to in a min) Rommel seemed to be able to root the Brits out of any position they put themselves into. Everything I've ever read suggested that the only thing that ever stopped Rommel before 10/42 was a shortage of supplies and/or tanks. If there was a flaw with the combat model, I'd say it would be the complete inability to disengage, say a "trave" versus "attack" speed of movement. This would allow the British to retreat, and "prepare positions while the Axis resupplies. Regarding supplies, I am under the impression that Malta and British subs were the major obstacles to the Axis getting the level of supplies required to sustain operations. Given that there was no will to "deal with" Malta appropriately by Hitler, i.e., invade, then Malta should be a major thorn in the side of the Axis. Maybe there needs to be a resource point there, and maybe the Italians just need fewer planes...I'm not sure from this perspective. Just my .02 Hi, Always good to have discussion. I agree with you in that the main Axis problem when they had the initiative in NA was the lack of supply and fuel caused by Allied efforts and Italian inneficiency. However in game terms this is just not the case. For example in 2 weeks (15th January 1942) game time the Axis are at Tobruk with only a 1/2 organised Bde and Division in front of them to Egypt. The ability to shock attack incessantly and the poor ground modelling (IMO) mean a Blitzkreig of un-approachable proportions can be made by the Axis. Also as you mention supply and fuel can easily be sent to NA in quantities Rommel would've dreamed of[;)] Bah...the whole truth is that I'm exceptional player![:'(]

pauk -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 9:15:52 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/15/42 I'm thinking about placing PTs at my bases - so far i've been too lazy to do it... Naval bombardment of Paleohora, at 49,121 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ar-196A-1: 1 destroyed Allied Ships DD Kelvin DD Janus DD Jackal DD Zulu DD Bedouin DD Maori CL Glasgow CL Liverpool BB Queen Elizabeth BB Warspite Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 6 Runway hits 21 Port hits 1 Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 2 I moved most of my ac from Benghazi... Wellies found very few of them on the ground. Time to move ac in once again - Englander still stick around with Navy...and i do not like it - it is Mare Nostrum after all...[:D] Day Air attack on Benghazi , at 45,128 Japanese aircraft MC-200 x 8 Bf-110D-3 x 9 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 53 Japanese aircraft losses MC-200: 1 damaged Bf-110D-3: 3 damaged Ju-87 B (Ger): 2 destroyed Bf-109F-4 Trop: 1 destroyed Hs-126 B-2: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged Japanese ground losses: 152 casualties reported Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 8 at 8000 feet Look those war criminals - attacking heavily damaged ship is nothing more than war crime! Day Air attack on Paleohora , at 49,121 Allied aircraft Liberator II x 24 No Allied losses Japanese Ships BB Andrea Doria, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage Port hits 1 at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120 Japanese aircraft SM 79 T x 12 Ju-88A-4 x 16 Hs-126 B-2 x 4 No Japanese losses Runway hits 1 at 23000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120 Japanese aircraft SM 84 x 31 Japanese aircraft losses SM 84: 8 damaged Allied ground losses: 61 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Runway hits 16 at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120 Japanese aircraft SM 79 x 19 Z-1007 Bis x 58 BR 20 M x 36 Japanese aircraft losses Z-1007 Bis: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged BR 20 M: 2 damaged Allied ground losses: 30 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Vehicles lost 1 Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 70 at 15000 feet I'm waiting for reinforcements... until then, keep your heads down! Day Air attack on 15th Panzer Tank Division, at 50,128 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk I x 5 Blenheim IV x 18 Wellington III x 6 Hudson I x 6 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 2 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 73 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Vehicles lost 2 at 8000 feet Gathered significant bomber force at Heraklion and attacked Speedo's ships.... only two hits (with 1000 lb bombs) and i doubt that damage is significant (one secondary turret is damaged)... Speedy, whats the damage? Day Air attack on TF at 54,124 Japanese aircraft Ju-88A-4 x 51 Japanese aircraft losses Ju-88A-4: 44 damaged Allied Ships BB Warspite BB Queen Elizabeth, Bomb hits 2, on fire CL Edinburgh DD Maori CL Glasgow Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 2 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 1 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 54,124 Japanese aircraft Ju-88A-4 x 13 Japanese aircraft losses Ju-88A-4: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged Allied Ships BB Queen Elizabeth, on fire BB Warspite CL Liverpool Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 2 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 2 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 2 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet 2 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 2000 feet

Speedysteve -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 12:28:40 PM)
Queen Elizabeth is fine dumbass - 3/0/12. RN rules the waves. Herr Dumbass here may have a nuke army on the ground and in the air but I rule the waves. Muhahahahahaha[;)]

pauk -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 1:02:36 PM)
Phew, those ships are supposed to be on Pacific - at least some of them. How this could be?????! AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/16/42 Englander is really desperate --- bombarding my units at Truk won't stop me from taking this nice base Naval bombardment of Tobruk, at 50,128 Allied Ships DD Tartar DD Raider DD Isis DD Inconstant DD Hero DD Griffin DD Eclipse CL Leander CL Ajax BB Malaya BB Valiant Japanese ground losses: 153 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Vehicles lost 7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120 Japanese aircraft SM 79 x 28 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet 6 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet 3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet 4 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet 3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet 3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet 3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet 3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120 Japanese aircraft SM 84 x 22 Japanese aircraft losses SM 84: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged Runway hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 17 x SM 84 bombing at 10000 feet 4 x SM 84 bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Malta at 35,120 Japanese aircraft CR-42 x 14 No Japanese losses Allied Ships PT MTB-66, Shell hits 4 PT MTB-64, Shell hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: 2 x CR-42 attacking at 100 feet 4 x CR-42 attacking at 100 feet 4 x CR-42 attacking at 100 feet 4 x CR-42 attacking at 100 feet And that was it for today... but don't worry i have few suprises - you can bet that Englander will beg for mercy soon!

Speedysteve -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 2:35:02 PM)
CA Trento confirmed sunk today[:)] Axis forces beginning to mass near Tobruk. The end is is near there I would say. 4 units at Gazala approaching.....

Speedysteve -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 2:36:30 PM)
Fremen - a couple of thoughts on changes in case you haven't made the malready: 1. The range of the Catalina is nerfed. As in it has the WiTP range and has not been adjusted to 30 mile hex range. 2. The�Industry of England seems woefully low. Taranto (Italy) has the same Industry (roughly)�as England by the looks of it!

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