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Terminus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 2:39:51 PM)

So? Everyone knows that the English were consistently outproduced by the Italians...[:'(][:D]



Speedysteve -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 2:40:54 PM)

AFB........Italian FB[:'(]



Terminus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 2:42:56 PM)

Who was it that beat who, Signor Speedo? Was it the British who got pasted by the Italians?[:'(]



Speedysteve -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 2:45:07 PM)

[:D]

Dumbass..................



Terminus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 2:48:02 PM)

That's Supreme Generalissimo And Squasher Of Johnny Bulldog Dumbass to you...



kokubokan25 -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 3:29:46 PM)




quote:

Fremen - a couple of thoughts on changes in case you haven't made the malready:

1. The range of the Catalina is nerfed. As in it has the WiTP range and has not been adjusted to 30 mile hex range.


Noted.

quote:

2. The Industry of England seems woefully low. Taranto (Italy) has the same Industry (roughly) as England by the looks of it!


Mmmm, thinking about..



pauk -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 5:58:16 PM)


A couple of good points by Speedy.... i would like to add one by myself... it seems that we have situation where RN can easily turn Mare Nostrum into Elisabeth sea[:D]... two 1000 lb bombs were unable to achive any damage...

i know that RN should be dominate in WITM but bit worried about Death star performance...of course these are only my impressions so far and that is need to be tested more....


Englander, i will send you turn soon... don't plan anything with Turkish GF and/or cooking (Jamie Oliver TM)



Capt. Harlock -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 8:45:52 PM)

quote:

I'm kinda struggling with some of the complaints about the speed of the axis advance in NA. Isn't that basically what happened? Given enough supplies (which I'll get to in a min) Rommel seemed to be able to root the Brits out of any position they put themselves into. Everything I've ever read suggested that the only thing that ever stopped Rommel before 10/42 was a shortage of supplies and/or tanks.


Not entirely correct: Rommel's first seige of Tobruk (in 1941)failed.



Nikademus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 9:01:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pauk


A couple of good points by Speedy.... i would like to add one by myself... it seems that we have situation where RN can easily turn Mare Nostrum into Elisabeth sea[:D]... two 1000 lb bombs were unable to achive any damage...

i know that RN should be dominate in WITM but bit worried about Death star performance...of course these are only my impressions so far and that is need to be tested more....


Englander, i will send you turn soon... don't plan anything with Turkish GF and/or cooking (Jamie Oliver TM)


You might find that not as much the case when you start the NM playtest. (hint: check your Stukas)



Nikademus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 9:04:04 PM)

I have another thought/idea.....

Given the way the land movement works......maybe it would be a good idea to have a secondary "road" in the 2nd layer hexes along the coast with the exception of the impassible depression that made El Alamein a bottleneck?

This would allow "maneuver" war better as well as allow strong points like Tobruk to be surrounded and sieged. Right now it would take probably two weeks for INF LCU's to surround it

This way too the players don't simply stack all their LCU's in the bases.



Halsey -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/7/2007 9:56:11 PM)

That's a good idea.

I was self imposing a houserule allowing LCU movement to only adjacent roads and trails.

To keep from transversing the open desert.
Only small unit groups ever did this.



Speedysteve -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 1:20:40 AM)

Hi all,

We're also starting a Nik Mod version game but this initial release game will continue for now.

Fremen some others thoughts on data:

Hudson's seem also to not have had their range adopted to 30 mile hexes.

British Porpoise (ML subs) seem to have incorrect unit data. By that I mean when you reload mines they only carry 12 in total. Is this correct?

Some British subs have not had their speed adjusted for the map. For example British T class 12/43 upgrade HAVE hd thei speed adjusted BUT the PRE-12/43 class upgrade version have a speed of 15 not 30.

Not sure if you have had time to look into this yet but for several units (ARM units in particular) the MAXIMUM TOE of them is like that of a Bde. As such when all the initial deployment forces are destroyed they will only reform to that of a Bde. Hope that makes sense.

I must say a cracking effort on your part for this. Well done[:)]



kokubokan25 -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 12:14:55 PM)


quote:

Hudson's seem also to not have had their range adopted to 30 mile hexes.


Noted.

quote:

British Porpoise (ML subs) seem to have incorrect unit data. By that I mean when you reload mines they only carry 12 in total. Is this correct?


Are you sure that? I just checked the file and carry 50 type 12 mines.

quote:

Some British subs have not had their speed adjusted for the map. For example British T class 12/43 upgrade HAVE hd thei speed adjusted BUT the PRE-12/43 class upgrade version have a speed of 15 not 30.


Noted.

quote:

Not sure if you have had time to look into this yet but for several units (ARM units in particular) the MAXIMUM TOE of them is like that of a Bde. As such when all the initial deployment forces are destroyed they will only reform to that of a Bde. Hope that makes sense.


As i said before, the TOE of the most land units are wrong. This is the main issue to correct to 1.2 version. Sorry for that, so many work.





pauk -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 1:19:56 PM)



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/18/42

War continues... Tried to stop enemy bombardment TFs but i don't have toys to do that. Italian Navy sucks, my bombers aren't equipped with bombs which could penetrate BBs armour and all i can do is let evil Englander bomb us at Benghazi and other bases. (Attacked BB TF sailing towards Benghazi and i can not stop it)


Naval bombardment of Tobruk, at 50,128

Allied Ships
DD Lightning
DD Kingston
DD Sikh
DD Foresight
DD Fame
CLAA Naiad
CLAA Euryalus
CLAA Dido
CL Penelope

Japanese ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 10


Enemy tried to find damaged ac but i withdrew german bombers before that strike...

Day Air attack on Heraklion , at 51,121

Japanese aircraft
Fiat G-50 x 19

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 72
Liberator II x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Fiat G-50: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ju-88A-4: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 8 damaged
Liberator II: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
118 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 42

at 8000 feet
Liberator II bombing at 10000 feet

Day Air attack on 15th Panzer Tank Division, at Tobruk

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 5
Blenheim IV x 27
Wellington III x 6
Hudson I x 7


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2

at 8000 feet

Several hits on enemy BBs with 1000 lb and 250 kg bombs (all hits are scored by Stukas)[&:] but only secondary turret damaged on the W-spite me thinks....

Day Air attack on TF at 49,126

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 9
Ju-87 D (Ger) x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 4 damaged
Ju-87 D (Ger): 1 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Queen Elizabeth, Bomb hits 3
BB Warspite, Bomb hits 5, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ju-87 D (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SM 84 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x SM 84 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Ju-87 D (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SM 84 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Ju-87 D (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ju-87 D (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ju-87 D (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 49,126

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 3
Ju-87 D (Ger) x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 2 damaged
Ju-87 D (Ger): 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Warspite, on fire
CL Liverpool

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ju-87 D (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SM 84 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 54,127

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 3

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc x 4
Tomahawk IIb x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Tomahawk IIb: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CLAA Dido

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SM 84 bombing at 5000 feet

Malta gets its regular portion....

[image]local://upfiles/4569/9BEF95D3FFA64A088D5BE8FE38832183.jpg[/image]



Speedysteve -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 2:36:54 PM)

Hi fremen,

A further point to consuider.

All Allied bases east of Tobruk are Malaria bases. Don't think should be the case.

Also should Alexandria contain some Heavy Industry to allow better supply production?



Terminus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 2:38:03 PM)

I'm not sure he can change whether a hex is malarial or not...



kokubokan25 -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 4:50:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Speedy

Hi fremen,

A further point to consuider.

All Allied bases east of Tobruk are Malaria bases. Don't think should be the case.

Also should Alexandria contain some Heavy Industry to allow better supply production?


As Terminus good points, i cannot change the "Malaria" base. This is a hard coded WITP feature.
Alexandria contain a very lot of supplies/fuel from start. You consider low those levels?[&:]



ctangus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 4:55:03 PM)

How are non-malarial bases in the middle of a malaria zone defined? I think I've read that it's slot-dependent, though I'm not sure.

If so, I count at least 9 non-malarial slots. (Noumea, Soerabaja, Palembang, Singapore, Bangkok, Saigon, Rangoon, Clark, Manila.) Looks like there are 14 malarial bases in War in the Med. (8 on the mainland, 2 on Cyprus, 2 on Crete, 2 in the Dodecanese.) The more important bases, at least, could be made malaria free.



rtrapasso -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 5:07:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ctangus

How are non-malarial bases in the middle of a malaria zone defined? I think I've read that it's slot-dependent, though I'm not sure.

If so, I count at least 9 non-malarial slots. (Noumea, Soerabaja, Palembang, Singapore, Bangkok, Saigon, Rangoon, Clark, Manila.) Looks like there are 14 malarial bases in War in the Med. (8 on the mainland, 2 on Cyprus, 2 on Crete, 2 in the Dodecanese.) The more important bases, at least, could be made malaria free.


Perhaps the big bases... malaria was a problem throughout the med, iirc, although probably not as virulent in attacking troops as it was in the PTO. i have relatives that come from areas on the map that have suffered with malaria most of their lives.



rtrapasso -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 5:10:21 PM)

BTW, ctangus - you were playing VSWG in a game (with AAR) - is that game still going on? The AAR has been silent as of late... [:(]



ctangus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 5:37:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

BTW, ctangus - you were playing VSWG in a game (with AAR) - is that game still going on? The AAR has been silent as of late... [:(]


No it's not. He dropped out of touch about 5 or 6 weeks ago - around the time of his last forum login. It's unlike him - prior to that he was careful to let me know if he'd miss a day. [:(][&:]

Hopefully he's just suffering from an acute case of WITP-burnout or Real-Life-Itis & not anything worse.



Speedysteve -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 7:46:08 PM)

Hi all,

The battle rages on with Tobruk the focus. There are 3 enemy units there now with a further 4(31,000) men at Gazala.

RN units are trying to stem the tide by shelling enemy troops outide of Tobruk and by causing havoc elsewhere.

Good news. BB Littorio was confirmed sunk today [:)]

----------------------

As for enhancements:

Fremen - I believe there is a way to turn on/off malarial/non-malarial bases since I think Nik has done it.

Regarding Alexandria - not disputing the current Resource/Oil industry there just the lack of Heavy Industry there. As it stands in NA there is no where in Egypt with HEavy Industry = no real fuel or supply production (I know there is auto supply/fuel at Port Said though).

Other thoughts:

I've noticed that 1/2nd SA Divisions contain British squads rather han CW squads.

9th Ind. Bde also contains British squads rather than Indian squads.

I've attached a screenshot of Porpoise after Mine reload. Only 12 mines available it seems.

[:)]

[image]local://upfiles/4211/F61B6787BD39467597197BA8A2D1C065.jpg[/image]



pauk -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 9:11:09 PM)



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/19/42

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Naval bombardment of Barce, at 45,127

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Edinburgh
CL Glasgow
CL Liverpool
BB Queen Elizabeth
BB Warspite

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 26
Port supply hits 2

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Naval bombardment of Tobruk, at 50,128

Allied Ships
DD Lightning
DD Kingston
DD Sikh
DD Foresight
DD Fame
CLAA Naiad
CLAA Euryalus
CLAA Dido
CL Penelope

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on Derna , at 48,127

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 70
Liberator II x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ju-87 D (Ger): 3 destroyed
SM 84: 2 destroyed


Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 43

at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Paleohora , at 49,121


Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 12


No Allied losses

10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 27
CR-25 x 1
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 : 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Runway hits 3

23000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 T x 13
Ju-88A-4 x 19
Hs-126 B-2 x 4

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Runway hits 9

at 23000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SM 84 bombing at 10000 feet
3 x SM 84 bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 132th Ariete Tank Division, at 50,128


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 5
Blenheim IV x 21
Wellington III x 12
Hudson I x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 3 damaged
Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2

at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Malta at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
MC-202 x 26

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PT MTB-66, Shell hits 8
PT MTB-62, Shell hits 8
PT MTB-61
PT MTB-64, Shell hits 8
PT MTB-63, Shell hits 4

Speedy, it is your turn to report damage - accidentaly hit esc key.... Liverpool should be damaged but according to intel screen she isn't (this scenario gives points for damaged ships)

Day Air attack on TF at 50,127

Japanese aircraft
Bf-110D-3 x 8
Ju-88A-4 x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Bf-110D-3: 5 damaged
Ju-88A-4: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Liverpool, Bomb hits 2, on fire
BB Queen Elizabeth, Bomb hits 3
BB Warspite, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Bf-110D-3 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Bf-110D-3 bombing at 2000 feet



pauk -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/8/2007 9:12:41 PM)


Ctangus, sorry to hear that Martin (VSWG) dissapeared. As far as i know him he wouldn't do that just like that. Lets hope that he is ok....



ctangus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/9/2007 1:07:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pauk


Ctangus, sorry to hear that Martin (VSWG) dissapeared. As far as i know him he wouldn't do that just like that. Lets hope that he is ok....


My thoughts exactly... [:(]

Anyway, back to your game - could either you or Speedy post a new map of the Cyrenaica area when you have a moment? Tks.



Speedysteve -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/9/2007 11:32:18 AM)

Pauk - Liverpool is at 32/21/8.



pauk -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/11/2007 7:21:45 PM)


lost a CR[:(] for today... the only important thing i can recall is two successful ASW attacks on my subs... both are damaged (one heavily and other moderatly)...it seems that Axis subs suffers from the 'Japanese penalty' too[:(]




AmiralLaurent -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/11/2007 7:59:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pauk


lost a CR[:(] for today... the only important thing i can recall is two successful ASW attacks on my subs... both are damaged (one heavily and other moderatly)...it seems that Axis subs suffers from the 'Japanese penalty' too[:(]



As Japanese ASW is hard coded, it will also apply to WITP.



Nikademus -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/11/2007 8:02:57 PM)

Pauk, (and Speedy tew......)

let me know how ASW goes in the NM game you are playing.



Capt. Harlock -> RE: Blitzkrieg continues (4/11/2007 10:18:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pauk

it seems that Axis subs suffers from the 'Japanese penalty' too[:(]



Good and bad: the Italian submariners, like much of the rest of the Italian military, were not as well trained nor as motivated as either the Germans or the British. The Germans sent over five dozen U-boats into the Med to help out, realizing that the RM boats weren't going to do the job alone. (And I don't think any ever came back out.) On the other hand, in early '42 the Brits had the finest ASW force in the world. (Experienced both in WWI and a couple of years of WWII.)
Is there any way to turn sub doctrine on for the Italians but off for the Germans?



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