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Historiker -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:15:24 PM)
I used to be such a sweet, sweet thing Till they got a hold of me I opened doors for little old ladies I helped the blind to see I got no friends 'cause they read the papers They can't be seen with me And I'm gettin' real shot down And I'm feelin' mean

Dixie -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:15:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker snief We germans really had no luck with our battlefleet... The first one went down in the Home Fleet's harbour and the other one... One went down because of the stunning incompetence of its commanding admiral, the other one waited long enough in the fjords to be finally sunk by planes, another one did a fair fight and sunk like a battleship should sink and finally the last one was put out of action with a single bomb hit and awaited the end of the war in harbour... [:(] I will have to make a battleship-only mod for AE. Every single ship is replaced by a BB - I really love them! [&o] I generally prefer cruisers. Edited so that the post is about an actual ship type [;)]

BrucePowers -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:15:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker snief We germans really had no luck with our battlefleet... The first one went down in the Home Fleet's harbour and the other one... One went down because of the stunning incompetence of its commanding admiral, the other one waited long enough in the fjords to be finally sunk by planes, another one did a fair fight and sunk like a battleship should sink and finally the last one was put out of action with a single bomb hit and awaited the end of the war in harbour... [:(] I will have to make a battleship-only mod for AE. Every single ship is replaced by a BB - I really love them! [&o] Same here. Remember Palembang![:D]

Terminus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:16:17 PM)
No offense, Historiker (Torsten, right?), but Germany should never have built a battlefleet in the first place. It only came about because the Kaiser had such a massive inferiority complex towards England. Germany could have been a great power without a single battleship to its name, although I would have to say that it was good for Europe and the world (in the end) that she diverted so many resources towards shipbuilding. Sort of like the old saying that Hitler was working FOR the Allies in the second half of WWII.

Terminus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:17:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dixie quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker snief We germans really had no luck with our battlefleet... The first one went down in the Home Fleet's harbour and the other one... One went down because of the stunning incompetence of its commanding admiral, the other one waited long enough in the fjords to be finally sunk by planes, another one did a fair fight and sunk like a battleship should sink and finally the last one was put out of action with a single bomb hit and awaited the end of the war in harbour... [:(] I will have to make a battleship-only mod for AE. Every single ship is replaced by a BB - I really love them! [&o] I generally prefer cuisers. A type of umbrella drink, IIRC...[:'(]

BrucePowers -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:17:35 PM)
But when the smoke had cleared away the mighty Hood went down

Dixie -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:18:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Dixie quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker snief We germans really had no luck with our battlefleet... The first one went down in the Home Fleet's harbour and the other one... One went down because of the stunning incompetence of its commanding admiral, the other one waited long enough in the fjords to be finally sunk by planes, another one did a fair fight and sunk like a battleship should sink and finally the last one was put out of action with a single bomb hit and awaited the end of the war in harbour... [:(] I will have to make a battleship-only mod for AE. Every single ship is replaced by a BB - I really love them! [&o] I generally prefer cuisers. A type of umbrella drink, IIRC...[:'(] Well, drinks with umbrellas are classy [:D]

Terminus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:18:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrucePowers But when the smoke had cleared away the mighty Hood went down They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother... SHUT YOUR MOUTH! I'm just talkin' 'bout Shaft... WE CAN DIG IT

Terminus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:19:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dixie quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Dixie quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker snief We germans really had no luck with our battlefleet... The first one went down in the Home Fleet's harbour and the other one... One went down because of the stunning incompetence of its commanding admiral, the other one waited long enough in the fjords to be finally sunk by planes, another one did a fair fight and sunk like a battleship should sink and finally the last one was put out of action with a single bomb hit and awaited the end of the war in harbour... [:(] I will have to make a battleship-only mod for AE. Every single ship is replaced by a BB - I really love them! [&o] I generally prefer cuisers. A type of umbrella drink, IIRC...[:'(] Well, drinks with umbrellas are classy [:D] If you're a girl...[:'(]

Historiker -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:20:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus No offense, Historiker (Torsten, right?), but Germany should never have built a battlefleet in the first place. It only came about because the Kaiser had such a massive inferiority complex towards England. Germany could have been a great power without a single battleship to its name, although I would have to say that it was good for Europe and the world (in the end) that she diverted so many resources towards shipbuilding. Sort of like the old saying that Hitler was working FOR the Allies in the second half of WWII. Mahan, ol' northern neigbour, Mahan! His majesty adored Mahan's book... Well, a nation with colonies needed ships, but Germany wanted too much. You can't have an army to compete with both france AND Russia while building a battlefleet big enough to be a risk for the RN... The BBs in WW2 might have been a nice fleet in being, if used properly (and the air threat wasn't in existance). Imagine Bismarck, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, Graf Zeppelin, Admiral Scheer, L�tzow, Prinze Eugen and Admiral Hipper in Brest (and in a BB-bunker, if you want so). A recce flight over the harbour without finding ships would've ended all shipping in the atlantic immediately...

Dixie -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:20:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Dixie quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Dixie quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker snief We germans really had no luck with our battlefleet... The first one went down in the Home Fleet's harbour and the other one... One went down because of the stunning incompetence of its commanding admiral, the other one waited long enough in the fjords to be finally sunk by planes, another one did a fair fight and sunk like a battleship should sink and finally the last one was put out of action with a single bomb hit and awaited the end of the war in harbour... [:(] I will have to make a battleship-only mod for AE. Every single ship is replaced by a BB - I really love them! [&o] I generally prefer cuisers. A type of umbrella drink, IIRC...[:'(] Well, drinks with umbrellas are classy [:D] If you're a girl...[:'(] Or you don't like girls [:D] Seeing as I don't drink it's not that important. [:)]

BrucePowers -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:21:01 PM)
For six long days and weary nights they tried to find her trail

Wirraway_Ace -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:21:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus So she's not entered the You-Must-Do-Nothing-That-Isn't-About-The-Baby phase yet? That sounds suspiciously like experience talking.

Apollo11 -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:24:32 PM)
Hi all, Good evening! Leo "Apollo11"

Apollo11 -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:27:18 PM)
Hi all, quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus Sky Rockets in Flight... Afternoon Delight... [:D] What song is that Kristian? Leo "Apollo11"

Dixie -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:27:29 PM)
I'm off to bed. Catch you later chaps [:)]

Historiker -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:30:31 PM)
Good Night, Dixie! Hello Leo!

Historiker -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:32:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus No offense, Historiker (Torsten, right?), but Germany should never have built a battlefleet in the first place. It only came about because the Kaiser had such a massive inferiority complex towards England. Germany could have been a great power without a single battleship to its name, although I would have to say that it was good for Europe and the world (in the end) that she diverted so many resources towards shipbuilding. Sort of like the old saying that Hitler was working FOR the Allies in the second half of WWII. And of course, this wasn't offensive. It was also very costly (and we still pay the "Sektsteuer" that was introduced to finance the fleet. One day, I'll go for our Supreme Court, the Bundesverfassungsgericht, and will demand that all the money earned by this tax has to be spent for battleships! If I had lived a hundred years ago, I'd volunteer for the High seas fleer for sure! [:)]

Terminus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:34:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus No offense, Historiker (Torsten, right?), but Germany should never have built a battlefleet in the first place. It only came about because the Kaiser had such a massive inferiority complex towards England. Germany could have been a great power without a single battleship to its name, although I would have to say that it was good for Europe and the world (in the end) that she diverted so many resources towards shipbuilding. Sort of like the old saying that Hitler was working FOR the Allies in the second half of WWII. Mahan, ol' northern neigbour, Mahan! His majesty adored Mahan's book... Well, a nation with colonies needed ships, but Germany wanted too much. You can't have an army to compete with both france AND Russia while building a battlefleet big enough to be a risk for the RN... The BBs in WW2 might have been a nice fleet in being, if used properly (and the air threat wasn't in existance). Imagine Bismarck, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, Graf Zeppelin, Admiral Scheer, L�tzow, Prinze Eugen and Admiral Hipper in Brest (and in a BB-bunker, if you want so). A recce flight over the harbour without finding ships would've ended all shipping in the atlantic immediately... I know. Mahan's fleet-in-being concept was flawed, but Wilhelm ate it raw.

Historiker -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:36:36 PM)
Not just he. It was equally adored by Japan and by Teddy Roosevelt.

Terminus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:38:13 PM)
I know. It was still wrong.

Historiker -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:39:30 PM)
Have you read: "From Mahan to Pearl Harbor"?

Terminus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:40:29 PM)
No.

USSAmerica -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:41:42 PM)
I'm lurking, just feeling too lazy to post. But, I'm enjoying the fleet in being discussion. [;)]

Historiker -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:45:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus No. me neither, but it's lying in front of me. It's from Sadao Asada by Naval Institute Press and seems quite intersting. Gonna read it when I'm done with History of Aircraft Carriers and Japanese Cruisers in the Pacific war.

Historiker -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:46:12 PM)
Don't always know what I'm talking about feels like Im living in the middle of doubt Cause I'm eighteen! sing

Terminus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:51:47 PM)
Germany and Japan both wanted and thought they needed fleets in being. The former didn't need it and the latter couldn't afford it, and they both tried to keep up with an immediate competitor (Britain and the US, respectively) that they had absolutely no chance to compete with.

Wirraway_Ace -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:53:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: USS America I'm lurking, just feeling too lazy to post.� But, I'm enjoying the fleet in being discussion.� [;)] I also. Although I only felt that Mahan's fleet in being concept was wrong if your enemy could afford to build overwhelming naval, ground and air power, and you couldn't. The economy of force principle was otherwise generally valid.

Apollo11 -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:53:36 PM)
Hi all, Zsssssss time... [>:][>:][>:] Leo "Apollo11"

Historiker -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (7/25/2009 10:55:59 PM)
I agree. But can a country in central europe be a great or even world power without an adequate fleet? It needs ships to project power and to deter other powers from seizing their small colonies. That outbuilding UK wasn't possible then - though without the war maybe 20 years later - is known, but can Germany afford to have a smaller fleet than Italy, France, Japan and Russia?

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