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castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/18/2009 11:11:47 AM)
And that´s how my ships look like that are at Makin. At least one of the bomb hits on Chuyo this turn must have been FOW, probably even two of the three hits. We will have 8 DDs arriving tomorrow and either tomorrow or within the next three days our damaged ships will be escorted into a safe area. Means the only loss during the carrier engagement was Junyo for the sinking of 6 CVs, 3 CVLs (without counting the damage to the BBs). Note that the attack on the port resulted in 1000 op points for the ships... [&:] [image]local://upfiles/13774/948870CD73504581B32C4F748F9761D1.jpg[/image]

terje439 -> RE: it goes on... (7/18/2009 8:55:00 PM)
So, you expect to be able to save the Chuyo?

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/19/2009 1:41:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: terje439 So, you expect to be able to save the Chuyo? after the 4E attack and looking at Chuyo´s damage I´m 98% sure to save her. Only very bad things happenig could see her sinking now. The enemy´s bomber morale was trashed and they can only show up unescorted so only newly transfered bomber squadrons could do the job but this takes time and it takes time to get the damaged bombers repaired, so they could move out to make room for the newly arriving ones (if bigbaba follows the stacking rules...) All this takes time and I expect to move out the damaged ships within the next three days.

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/20/2009 1:49:54 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/13/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1012 encounters mine field at Nanomea Atoll (87,101) Allied Ships MSW Oriole MSW Penguin MSW Tanager MSW Vigilance MSW Velocity MSW Champion the sub laid mines won´t last long... but I guess all damaged ships that were returning to this base have arrived anyway... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Malir , at 22,4 Allied aircraft Sunderland x 2 Spitfire Vb x 5 Vengeance I x 2 Allied aircraft losses Sunderland: 1 damaged Vengeance I: 2 damaged Airbase hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 208 D3A Val x 48 A6M3a Zero x 35 B5N Kate x 16 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 35 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 47 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 9 Airbase supply hits 8 Runway hits 137 Port hits 1 Port fuel hits 1 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet I expect training runs to be the number one occupation for most of my daitais the next two or three months... if nothing bad happens, then the airforce will be in good shape in three months again... at the moment I can´t think about something bad, but perhaps bigbaba can surprise me... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Goodenough island , at 56,93 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 53 PV-1 Ventura x 16 PB4Y Liberator x 12 Allied aircraft losses PV-1 Ventura: 8 damaged PB4Y Liberator: 5 damaged Japanese ground losses: 39 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 8 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 29 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet The only small chance for the Allied I see at the moment is trying to move on a base near PM (probably Gili Gili). But to be honest, with PM alone to fly LRCAP and trying to surpress all my airfields and setting bombers on nav attack to deal with KB, I can´t see much of a chance to pull off a succesful and ongoing offensive towards Rabaul. Not to talk about the fact that I still threat Australia with all the ground troops I´ve got there... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Charter Towers , at 45,103 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 6 Liberator VI x 3 PV-1 Ventura x 11 B-25C Mitchell x 77 B-25J Mitchell x 44 B-24J Liberator x 17 Allied aircraft losses PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 6 damaged B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 290 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Airbase hits 6 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 73 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 20th Division, at 21,3 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 9 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 1 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 36th Division, at 43,32 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIc x 6 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Hurricane IIc bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 6th Ind. Brigade, at 21,3 Allied aircraft Corsair IV x 10 Liberator VI x 19 P-47D Thunderbolt x 18 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 6 damaged Japanese ground losses: 35 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 29th Division, at 59,7 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 95 Yak-1 x 56 Yak-3 x 36 Yak-9D x 179 IL-2 Shturmovik x 43 Pe-2 x 71 Pe-2R x 3 Allied aircraft losses MiG-3: 1 destroyed Yak-9D: 1 damaged Pe-2: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 191 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Aircraft Attacking: 20 x MiG-3 bombing at 2000 feet we spot more than 3000 aircraft at Irkutsk, so there are probably 1500. bigbaba can´t transfer those aircraft anywhere as he has no bases in range left but at least he could stand down all aircraft above the 400 ac stacking limit. 150+ are spotted flying Cap and hundreds are attacking my LCUs... If he keeps up his attacks I will talk to him not using more than the stacking rule allows... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 60th Division, at 59,7 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 51 Yak-1 x 32 Yak-3 x 9 Yak-9D x 99 IL-2 Shturmovik x 28 Pe-2 x 40 Pe-2R x 2 Allied aircraft losses MiG-3: 2 damaged Pe-2: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 161 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Aircraft Attacking: 13 x Yak-9D bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 70th Division, at 59,7 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 27 Yak-1 x 16 Yak-3 x 9 Yak-9D x 51 IL-2 Shturmovik x 12 Pe-2 x 14 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses Yak-1: 1 damaged IL-2 Shturmovik: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 80 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Pe-2 bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 30th Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 14 PV-1 Ventura x 14 B-25C Mitchell x 17 B-25J Mitchell x 109 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 8 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 6 destroyed, 26 damaged Japanese ground losses: 267 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 17000 feet the Mitchells were hit really hard today... but there are more heavy flak guns in this hex than there were in Japan in real life... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 43rd Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 6 Ventura V x 9 PV-1 Ventura x 11 B-25C Mitchell x 93 B-25J Mitchell x 47 F4U-1 Corsair x 5 B-24J Liberator x 4 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 4 damaged Ventura V: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 24 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 259 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Ventura V bombing at 17000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 43rd Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 10 PV-1 Ventura x 3 B-25C Mitchell x 10 B-25J Mitchell x 30 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 6 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged Japanese ground losses: 29 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 17000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 47th Division, at 43,32 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIc x 6 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Hurricane IIc bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 107th Region Fortress, at 64,32 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 27 G4M1 Betty x 93 P1Y Frances x 100 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 415 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 20 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 108th Region Fortress, at 65,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 49 A6M3a Zero x 48 B5N Kate x 62 P1Y Frances x 7 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 154 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 12 Ki-61 Ic x 12 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-61 Ic bombing at 2000 feet one of the best flak results so far, but as usual, op losses for bombers are nearly non existent, no matter how many you damage... [image]local://upfiles/13774/73BB14C132E241F38D9B26B6B4F71466.jpg[/image] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Makin Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 43619 troops, 287 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 916 Defending force 4730 troops, 0 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 4 Japanese max assault: 701 - adjusted assault: 779 Allied max defense: 2 - adjusted defense: 2 Japanese assault odds: 389 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 41 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 977 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 107702 troops, 1102 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 2281 Defending force 89807 troops, 1016 guns, 303 vehicles, Assault Value = 1728 Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 373215 troops, 4448 guns, 1343 vehicles, Assault Value = 11136 Defending force 149121 troops, 1774 guns, 202 vehicles, Assault Value = 3066 Allied ground losses: 177 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Vehicles lost 1 as you can see, nearly all my LCUs arrived at Irkutsk... some more to follow though... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kweiyang Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 22692 troops, 266 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3112 Defending force 299934 troops, 606 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8443 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 41969 troops, 429 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 868 Defending force 47815 troops, 365 guns, 183 vehicles, Assault Value = 848 Allied ground losses: 35 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cairns Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 43042 troops, 349 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 3300 Defending force 70436 troops, 523 guns, 52 vehicles, Assault Value = 1112 Allied ground losses: 53 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 6283 troops, 205 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4261 Defending force 120508 troops, 889 guns, 531 vehicles, Assault Value = 1894 Allied ground losses: 23 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chungking Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 21599 troops, 208 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 1216 Defending force 124065 troops, 201 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 2158 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 70260 troops, 891 guns, 303 vehicles, Assault Value = 1728 Defending force 110462 troops, 1102 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 2281 Japanese ground losses: 122 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Vehicles lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 109630 troops, 1630 guns, 130 vehicles, Assault Value = 3064 Defending force 569743 troops, 5336 guns, 3384 vehicles, Assault Value = 11136 Japanese ground losses: 571 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 42004 troops, 362 guns, 166 vehicles, Assault Value = 848 Defending force 41969 troops, 429 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 868 Japanese ground losses: 2 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Karachi Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 107127 troops, 825 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3039 Defending force 88450 troops, 852 guns, 19 vehicles, Assault Value = 1812 Japanese ground losses: 171 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 43 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 72209 troops, 733 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1894 Defending force 223596 troops, 2482 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 4261 Japanese ground losses: 503 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Allied ground losses: 33 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cairns Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 48577 troops, 494 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1108 Defending force 195131 troops, 1767 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3300 Japanese ground losses: 47 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 27 casualties reported Guns lost 1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/20/2009 1:57:17 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/14/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 35 A6M3a Zero x 54 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 35 Ki-61 Ic x 70 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 5 Runway hits 94 Aircraft Attacking: 32 x Ki-61 Ic bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Goodenough island , at 56,93 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 40 PV-1 Ventura x 13 PB4Y Liberator x 5 Allied aircraft losses PV-1 Ventura: 9 damaged PB4Y Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 15 casualties reported Airbase hits 3 Runway hits 24 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Charter Towers , at 45,103 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 3 Liberator VI x 6 PV-1 Ventura x 6 B-25C Mitchell x 68 B-25J Mitchell x 50 B-24J Liberator x 11 Allied aircraft losses B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 3 damaged B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 381 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 179 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet airfield attacks are less dangerous than attacking ground troops, nevertheless two bombers were shot down today... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 10th Ind. Brigade, at 41,35 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 33 P-40N Warhawk x 9 Hurricane IIc x 26 Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 1 damaged P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed Hurricane IIc: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 114 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 16th Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft PV-1 Ventura x 3 B-25C Mitchell x 36 B-25J Mitchell x 19 B-24J Liberator x 3 Allied aircraft losses PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 22 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 149 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Aircraft Attacking: 7 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 17000 feet and here are the dangerous attacks on my LCUs at Townsville again... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 12 Ventura V x 9 PV-1 Ventura x 3 B-25C Mitchell x 90 B-25J Mitchell x 39 F4U-1 Corsair x 4 B-24J Liberator x 5 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 5 damaged Ventura V: 9 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 3 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 28 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 287 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ventura V bombing at 17000 feet same at Cairns... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 47,100 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 16 PV-1 Ventura x 11 B-25C Mitchell x 12 B-25J Mitchell x 74 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 5 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 4 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 22 damaged Japanese ground losses: 239 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Vehicles lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 17000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 107th Region Fortress, at 64,32 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 54 G4M1 Betty x 87 P1Y Frances x 98 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 402 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 18 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet while our airforce is only flying training raids... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 108th Region Fortress, at 65,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 40 A6M3a Zero x 38 B5N Kate x 30 P1Y Frances x 6 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 149 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 12 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 24 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet [image]local://upfiles/13774/5F4C9A4BD5734470BBCF3D307E5E5D4E.jpg[/image] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 107634 troops, 1100 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 2279 Defending force 89616 troops, 1010 guns, 301 vehicles, Assault Value = 1722 Allied ground losses: 25 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 373223 troops, 4447 guns, 1346 vehicles, Assault Value = 12051 Defending force 150679 troops, 1766 guns, 200 vehicles, Assault Value = 3067 Allied ground losses: 85 casualties reported all units except a HQ have entered Irkutsk. I guess this is the biggest Japanese Army I have ever sent into combat. All our troops are fully prepped, fully combat ready and fully supplied. We have a 4:1 in av and all I can hope is that my eng will be able to take down the first two fort levels and that we will than achieve at least a 1:1 each time to bring down the forts. Everything will depend on the forts as the enemy has unlimited supply with thousands of supply points coming in as autosupply daily. Hopefully the Russian can´t build up a level 8 to level 9 fort in three days like the Western Allied are doing in Australia... [8\|] I won´t give up until my units will be really worn down as they have enough time to recover if we won´t be able to take the base. They will also have enough time to recover if we will be able to take the base... [;)] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kweiyang Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 22694 troops, 266 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3105 Defending force 299469 troops, 599 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8441 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 42080 troops, 434 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 869 Defending force 47595 troops, 357 guns, 182 vehicles, Assault Value = 845 Allied ground losses: 12 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 6425 troops, 210 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4264 Defending force 121131 troops, 900 guns, 534 vehicles, Assault Value = 1914 Allied ground losses: 64 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chungking Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 21640 troops, 209 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 1224 Defending force 123978 troops, 203 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 2161 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 70108 troops, 885 guns, 301 vehicles, Assault Value = 1722 Defending force 110414 troops, 1100 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 2279 Japanese ground losses: 68 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 109618 troops, 1628 guns, 130 vehicles, Assault Value = 3066 Defending force 618246 troops, 5816 guns, 3395 vehicles, Assault Value = 12051 Japanese ground losses: 245 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 41834 troops, 356 guns, 165 vehicles, Assault Value = 845 Defending force 42080 troops, 434 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 869 Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Karachi Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 107654 troops, 838 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3073 Defending force 88448 troops, 844 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 1815 Japanese ground losses: 157 casualties reported Guns lost 10 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 44 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 72532 troops, 744 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1914 Defending force 223056 troops, 2493 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 4264 Japanese ground losses: 270 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Allied ground losses: 29 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cairns Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 48756 troops, 498 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1110 Defending force 194914 troops, 1777 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 3297 Japanese ground losses: 154 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 13 casualties reported Guns lost 1

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/20/2009 2:00:37 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/15/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Malir , at 22,4 Allied aircraft Barracuda x 24 Sunderland x 2 Vengeance I x 16 Hurricane IIc x 9 Allied aircraft losses Barracuda: 7 damaged Sunderland: 1 damaged Vengeance I: 5 destroyed, 6 damaged Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 11 Aircraft Attacking: 14 x Barracuda bombing at 15000 feet 11 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet dive bombers shouldn´t be used when there is more than just some flak at your target... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 243 D3A Val x 48 A6M5c Zeke x 47 A6M3a Zero x 89 B5N Kate x 27 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 35 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 47 Ki-61 Ic x 70 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 10 casualties reported Airbase hits 9 Airbase supply hits 6 Runway hits 268 Port hits 1 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Baker Island , at 94,92 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 9 Liberator VI x 12 Ventura V x 12 F-5A Lightning x 4 PV-1 Ventura x 15 PB4Y Liberator x 9 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 2 damaged Ventura V: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 22 casualties reported Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 37 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Ventura V bombing at 15000 feet pure luck when Baker´s flak defense claims some bombers... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 4th Ind. Brigade, at 21,3 Allied aircraft Corsair IV x 8 Spitfire Vb x 8 Liberator VI x 31 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 7 damaged Japanese ground losses: 31 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 16th Mixed Brigade, at 41,35 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 31 P-40N Warhawk x 9 Hurricane IIc x 26 Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 4 damaged P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged Hurricane IIc: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 112 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 107th Region Fortress, at 64,32 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 54 G4M1 Betty x 92 P1Y Frances x 92 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 224 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 15 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 108th Region Fortress, at 65,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 48 A6M3a Zero x 49 B5N Kate x 40 P1Y Frances x 6 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 198 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 12 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 6 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 27 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Day Air attack on 24th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses Pe-2R: 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 107806 troops, 1105 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 2282 Defending force 89383 troops, 999 guns, 299 vehicles, Assault Value = 1719 Allied ground losses: 41 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 482297 troops, 5764 guns, 1369 vehicles, Assault Value = 12052 Defending force 150588 troops, 1766 guns, 201 vehicles, Assault Value = 3069 Allied ground losses: 77 casualties reported amazing damage caused by nearly 6000 guns... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kweiyang Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 22690 troops, 265 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3105 Defending force 299098 troops, 587 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8443 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 42136 troops, 435 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 871 Defending force 47406 troops, 349 guns, 180 vehicles, Assault Value = 837 Allied ground losses: 20 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 6629 troops, 218 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4282 Defending force 121507 troops, 903 guns, 535 vehicles, Assault Value = 1937 Allied ground losses: 341 casualties reported Guns lost 7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chungking Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 21665 troops, 210 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 1227 Defending force 123937 troops, 205 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 2168 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 69935 troops, 874 guns, 299 vehicles, Assault Value = 1719 Defending force 110586 troops, 1105 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 2282 Japanese ground losses: 22 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 109545 troops, 1626 guns, 131 vehicles, Assault Value = 3066 Defending force 622164 troops, 5818 guns, 3397 vehicles, Assault Value = 12052 Japanese ground losses: 381 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 41664 troops, 348 guns, 164 vehicles, Assault Value = 837 Defending force 42136 troops, 435 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 871 Japanese ground losses: 13 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Karachi Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 108238 troops, 848 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3125 Defending force 88388 troops, 840 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 1814 Japanese ground losses: 185 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Allied ground losses: 5 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 72444 troops, 737 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1921 Defending force 223713 troops, 2523 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 4282 Japanese ground losses: 185 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 13 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cairns Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 48770 troops, 501 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1115 Defending force 195098 troops, 1789 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 3307 Japanese ground losses: 82 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 38 casualties reported Guns lost 5

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/20/2009 2:03:52 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/16/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 242 D3A Val x 48 A6M5c Zeke x 47 A6M3a Zero x 89 B5N Kate x 27 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 35 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 47 Ki-61 Ic x 70 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 27 casualties reported Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 7 Runway hits 206 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107 Allied aircraft B-25J Mitchell x 45 No Allied losses Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 45 Aircraft Attacking: 36 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 110th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 11 Yak-1 x 6 Yak-3 x 7 Yak-9D x 17 IL-2 Shturmovik x 6 Pe-2 x 16 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged Pe-2: 2 damaged Pe-2R: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 63 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Pe-2 bombing at 12000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 37th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 22 Yak-1 x 12 Yak-3 x 16 Yak-9D x 61 IL-2 Shturmovik x 17 Pe-2 x 19 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged Pe-2: 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 63 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Pe-2 bombing at 12000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 12 Yak-1 x 6 Yak-3 x 10 Yak-9D x 30 IL-2 Shturmovik x 9 Pe-2 x 19 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 9 damaged Pe-2: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 17 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Pe-2 bombing at 12000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 24th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 80 Yak-1 x 54 Yak-9D x 81 IL-2 Shturmovik x 42 Pe-2 x 39 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 5 destroyed, 21 damaged Pe-2: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 98 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Aircraft Attacking: 20 x IL-2 Shturmovik bombing at 2000 feet with nearly 200 fighters on Cap the 400 ac stacking rule for this base was clearly violated again... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 60th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft Pe-2R x 1 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 107th Region Fortress, at 64,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 11 A6M3a Zero x 2 B5N Kate x 47 G4M1 Betty x 81 P1Y Frances x 84 Ki-61 Ic x 12 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 278 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-61 Ic bombing at 2000 feet as I´ve got problem with finding room for my training raids (one hex to the target would be perfect) I´m thinking of just overstacking Vladivostok too with additional 400 ac... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 108th Region Fortress, at 65,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 38 A6M3a Zero x 38 B5N Kate x 30 P1Y Frances x 6 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 153 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 9 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 21 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 27 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 108th Region Fortress, at 65,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 7 G4M1 Betty x 15 Ki-61 Ic x 43 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 27 x Ki-61 Ic bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 85511 troops, 866 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 2287 Defending force 89187 troops, 997 guns, 299 vehicles, Assault Value = 1719 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 14341 troops, 464 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 12046 Defending force 150661 troops, 1766 guns, 202 vehicles, Assault Value = 3066 Allied ground losses: 54 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kweiyang Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 22674 troops, 266 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3107 Defending force 298515 troops, 584 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8443 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 42195 troops, 436 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 874 Defending force 47172 troops, 346 guns, 180 vehicles, Assault Value = 831 Allied ground losses: 40 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 6804 troops, 222 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4299 Defending force 122050 troops, 920 guns, 539 vehicles, Assault Value = 1945 Allied ground losses: 334 casualties reported Guns lost 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chungking Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 21698 troops, 212 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 1274 Defending force 123886 troops, 208 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 2175 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 69799 troops, 872 guns, 299 vehicles, Assault Value = 1719 Defending force 110604 troops, 1106 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 2287 Japanese ground losses: 45 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 109533 troops, 1627 guns, 131 vehicles, Assault Value = 3066 Defending force 621379 troops, 5811 guns, 3395 vehicles, Assault Value = 12046 Japanese ground losses: 1053 casualties reported [8\|][8\|] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 41532 troops, 345 guns, 164 vehicles, Assault Value = 831 Defending force 42195 troops, 436 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 874 Japanese ground losses: 13 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Karachi Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 108822 troops, 855 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3175 Defending force 88241 troops, 841 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 1808 Japanese ground losses: 249 casualties reported Guns lost 9 Allied ground losses: 48 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 72924 troops, 760 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1943 Defending force 224184 troops, 2555 guns, 27 vehicles, Assault Value = 4299 Japanese ground losses: 230 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 51 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cairns Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 48827 troops, 500 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1117 Defending force 195294 troops, 1801 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3317 Japanese ground losses: 81 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 25 casualties reported Guns lost 1 bigbaba is out of town the next couple of days so no updates until he´ll be back...

Xxzard -> RE: it goes on... (7/20/2009 9:14:40 PM)
Bah! I want to see Russian troops finished off. Finish him!!!

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/21/2009 8:05:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xxzard Bah! I want to see Russian troops finished off. Finish him!!! even if we have a 4:1 advantage in assault value, it may look easier than it will be. Level 9 forts and Allied fire power are a killer, not to mention the fact that Allied engineers build up a foxhole into a Maginot line defense during divisional sized combats within a couple of days. I´ve got more than a dozen eng rgts at Irkutsk and all my divs have all their combat eng ready but with the results in this PBEM so far, I don´t expect to take more than two fort levels down with my engineers, they will probably all be disabled after two attacks. This means we will then need to achieve a 1:1 at least to further take forts down. Our biggest advantage are our tanks which hopefully will inflict enough casualties within the defender to see the total casualties being on par. When we achieve this, we will also be able to take the town.

Zond -> RE: it goes on... (7/21/2009 10:04:37 PM)
As the XXzard already said... [image]http://snp.bpb.de/referate/mk4.gif[/image] This game is a textbook example of quality trashing. Keep up the good work [;)]

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/22/2009 3:50:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zond As the XXzard already said... [image]http://snp.bpb.de/referate/mk4.gif[/image] This game is a textbook example of quality trashing. Keep up the good work [;)] lol

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/23/2009 9:48:18 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/17/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 243 D3A Val x 48 A6M5c Zeke x 47 A6M3a Zero x 89 B5N Kate x 31 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 35 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 47 Ki-61 Ic x 70 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 24 casualties reported Airbase hits 11 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 263 Port hits 5 Port fuel hits 1 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 37 P-38J Lightning x 7 PV-1 Ventura x 37 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 20 damaged Japanese ground losses: 35 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 30 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing at 15000 feet looks like PM has only some Venturas left, the rest seems to be fighters... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107 Allied aircraft B-25J Mitchell x 40 No Allied losses Runway hits 14 Aircraft Attacking: 36 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Baker Island , at 94,92 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 9 Liberator VI x 12 Ventura V x 11 F-5A Lightning x 4 PV-1 Ventura x 7 PB4Y Liberator x 9 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 4 damaged Liberator VI: 1 damaged Ventura V: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged PB4Y Liberator: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 8 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 32 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Ventura V bombing at 15000 feet perhaps I should move in a couple of AA units to make it a little costlier... three AA rgts more would probably mean one or two kills more per turn... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 4th Ind. Brigade, at 21,3 Allied aircraft Corsair IV x 5 Spitfire Vb x 6 Liberator VI x 34 P-47D Thunderbolt x 15 Hurricane IIc x 9 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 11 damaged Japanese ground losses: 93 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 29th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 9 Yak-1 x 6 Yak-9D x 18 IL-2 Shturmovik x 6 Pe-2 x 14 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 6 damaged Pe-2: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Pe-2R: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 65 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Pe-2 bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 12th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 41 Yak-1 x 40 Yak-9D x 120 IL-2 Shturmovik x 12 Pe-2 x 32 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 8 damaged Pe-2: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged Japanese ground losses: 105 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Pe-2 bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 28 Yak-1 x 28 Yak-9D x 84 IL-2 Shturmovik x 18 Pe-2 x 42 Pe-2R x 2 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged Pe-2: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged Pe-2R: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 76 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Pe-2 bombing at 10000 feet deliberate attack today, so I´m not reall happy about seeing three of my divisions being disrupted. Seems like bigbaba has reduced the number of attacking aircraft though... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 107th Region Fortress, at 64,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 18 A6M3a Zero x 19 B5N Kate x 83 G4M1 Betty x 62 P1Y Frances x 83 Ki-61 Ic x 12 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 210 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-61 Ic bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 108th Region Fortress, at 65,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 49 A6M3a Zero x 49 B5N Kate x 39 P1Y Frances x 7 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 198 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 19 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 24 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 108th Region Fortress, at 65,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 12 D3A Val x 17 D4Y Judy x 16 B5N Kate x 17 G4M1 Betty x 17 Ki-61 Ic x 84 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 24 x Ki-61 Ic bombing at 2000 feet I´m taking nearly a dozen op losses per turn from those training raids. All from the bases that are two hexes away from the target. Losing something like 300 ac per month in training raids is too much, only training runs from one hex are safe for the Japanese. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 589727 troops, 5764 guns, 3391 vehicles, Assault Value = 12049 Defending force 150509 troops, 1765 guns, 201 vehicles, Assault Value = 3066 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 8 Japanese max assault: 10743 - adjusted assault: 4796 [:(] Allied max defense: 3144 - adjusted defense: 5558 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8) Japanese ground losses: 27838 casualties reported [X(][X(] Guns lost 733 [X(][X(] Vehicles lost 243 [X(][X(][X(] Allied ground losses: 5038 casualties reported Guns lost 241 Vehicles lost 6 omg... our first attack and the ground combat routine once again shows how "well" it works. As every unit gets a shot at every enemy unit, the result of sending in more troops for an attack only results in more casualties for you. I had more than a dozen eng rgts and ALL are completely wrecked. They have ALL their combat eng squads disabled, guess with the losses within our inf divs, I´ve had nearly 800 combat eng squads disabled in just one attack. [sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif] I´ve never sent such a big Army into combat and I´ve never suffered so many casualties in one turn when no units surrendered. I´m pretty sure that we only inflicted losses within the enemy´s HQ units that are in the lead, there are at least five or six I guess. Next attack in three or four days. If our eng can´t take down another fort level then the assault is already a failure as we then won´t be able to take down a fort because I doubt we will achieve a 1:1. This attack has cost us more than 1500 assault points. Whenever possible, try to avoid land combat in WITP when there are more than two divisions involved. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 85594 troops, 870 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 1809 Defending force 88873 troops, 990 guns, 299 vehicles, Assault Value = 1716 Allied ground losses: 24 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kweiyang Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 22671 troops, 265 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3106 Defending force 298331 troops, 575 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8440 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 42250 troops, 434 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 878 Defending force 46895 troops, 338 guns, 181 vehicles, Assault Value = 829 Allied ground losses: 49 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 6913 troops, 229 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4307 Defending force 122508 troops, 930 guns, 539 vehicles, Assault Value = 1966 Allied ground losses: 265 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chungking Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 21732 troops, 212 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 1318 Defending force 123950 troops, 208 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 2180 Allied ground losses: 37 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 69657 troops, 866 guns, 299 vehicles, Assault Value = 1716 Defending force 88334 troops, 870 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 1809 Japanese ground losses: 142 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 104964 troops, 1395 guns, 128 vehicles, Assault Value = 2876 Defending force 579752 troops, 4915 guns, 3013 vehicles, Assault Value = 10004 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 41356 troops, 337 guns, 165 vehicles, Assault Value = 829 Defending force 42250 troops, 434 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 878 Japanese ground losses: 48 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 2 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Karachi Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 109369 troops, 873 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3207 Defending force 88053 troops, 830 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1802 Japanese ground losses: 212 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Allied ground losses: 23 casualties reported Guns lost 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 73295 troops, 769 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1962 Defending force 224707 troops, 2589 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 4307 Japanese ground losses: 167 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 34 casualties reported Guns lost 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cairns Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 48812 troops, 504 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1117 Defending force 195399 troops, 1816 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 3323 Japanese ground losses: 49 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 47 casualties reported Guns lost 3

anarchyintheuk -> RE: it goes on... (7/23/2009 8:02:06 PM)
Surprised me that you weren't that far off from a 1-1 at Irkutsk. Been a while since it's been brought up . . . how is your fuel situation? Presumably w/ little to no naval combat in the forseeable future you'll be able to save a little bit.

Yakface -> RE: it goes on... (7/23/2009 10:16:13 PM)
Can you bomb the base? - force the engineers to repair the airfield rather than replace the forts. Gives you longer to recover diabled units rather than always having to attack early for fear of the forts going back up.

Sneer -> RE: it goes on... (7/24/2009 7:44:54 AM)
my experiance from my halted pbem is that player should stay away from big battles in witp no matter what you do results are at least weird if irkutck has auto supply it may be an impossible task....

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/24/2009 7:47:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk Surprised me that you weren't that far off from a 1-1 at Irkutsk. Been a while since it's been brought up . . . how is your fuel situation? Presumably w/ little to no naval combat in the forseeable future you'll be able to save a little bit. I had hopes to achieve a 1-1 with my second or third attack as otherwise we will probably fail to take the base. If I look at the assault values than the enemy has something like 150 disabled av (out of 3000) while we have 2000 disabled av (out of 12.000). So the 27.000 casualties were really shocking and I guess you have to look for "workarounds" to exploit the game engine if you really want to achieve something. Perhaps attacking with 6.000 av today and another 6.000 av tomorrow would have done the trick. Don´t know, next deliberate attack in three days or so. The good thing, even if we fail, the Russian won´t achieve much and 5.000 av being kept in Russia will probably be enough to keep them honest. Bigbaba has yet to convince me that he´s the better commander in ground warfare than Miller was. [;)] the fuel storage went up again, slightly, but it was going up. Until the operations near the Gilberts we saw the fuel levels growing, the 10 days of using the fleet around Makin used up nearly 200.000 fuel though. So my previous statements of not having or producing enough fuel to even feed my merchants was wrong. With conquering nearly the whole on map oil sites (and most of the HI) you produce enough fuel to feed your merchant navy and you can send out the fleet once a year. Of course you have to achieve a decisive victory if you send out the fleet because otherwise you won´t have the fuel you need. Needless to say if the enemy achieves a decisive victory then fuel isn´t a problem for you anymore anyway. [;)]

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/24/2009 8:19:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yakface Can you bomb the base? - force the engineers to repair the airfield rather than replace the forts. Gives you longer to recover diabled units rather than always having to attack early for fear of the forts going back up. I could bomb it of course (from Ulan Ude, range 4) and I´ve thought about it for perhaps... 10 sec..., but decided that it would be contraproductive for the state of my IJAAF medium bomber force. Problem is once again the all and everything killing enemy flak defense. Even an attack from 20.000 would be suicide and not worth the 30 hits on the runway that would be repaired by the hundreds (if not a thousand) eng squads in no time, while still being able to repair the Russian Maginot line.

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/24/2009 8:23:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer my experiance from my halted pbem is that player should stay away from big battles in witp no matter what you do results are at least weird if irkutck has auto supply it may be an impossible task.... Hi Sneer good to see you back on the forum. You´re absolutely correct, if possible, big battles should always be avoided but it´s not possible all the time, especially in a PBEM when one player sends in his troops, the other does it too of course. Or in this case, there is just nothing left in Russia, so everything met here to fight it out at Irkutsk. While I have a Japanese mega Army, the enemy Army isn´t even that big. Big enough to wreck two and a half dozen divs of mine thouhg. Irkutsk has auto supply but my main issue is the Allied ability of building forts, this especially due to the eng vehicles. One of the many things that are just plain wrong in WITP but probably the first thing that is wrong is me as the Japanese being able to knock out nearly the whole map, so really complaining about it is probably pathetic from my side.[;)]

Yakface -> RE: it goes on... (7/24/2009 11:39:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: Yakface Can you bomb the base? - force the engineers to repair the airfield rather than replace the forts. Gives you longer to recover diabled units rather than always having to attack early for fear of the forts going back up. I could bomb it of course (from Ulan Ude, range 4) and I´ve thought about it for perhaps... 10 sec..., but decided that it would be contraproductive for the state of my IJAAF medium bomber force. Problem is once again the all and everything killing enemy flak defense. Even an attack from 20.000 would be suicide and not worth the 30 hits on the runway that would be repaired by the hundreds (if not a thousand) eng squads in no time, while still being able to repair the Russian Maginot line. Hmm - You have my sympathies - if you can't bomb bases for fear of the flak then this mod is borked. What point is there i having a medium bomber force if it can't be used at the decisive point?

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/24/2009 1:27:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yakface quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: Yakface Can you bomb the base? - force the engineers to repair the airfield rather than replace the forts. Gives you longer to recover diabled units rather than always having to attack early for fear of the forts going back up. I could bomb it of course (from Ulan Ude, range 4) and I´ve thought about it for perhaps... 10 sec..., but decided that it would be contraproductive for the state of my IJAAF medium bomber force. Problem is once again the all and everything killing enemy flak defense. Even an attack from 20.000 would be suicide and not worth the 30 hits on the runway that would be repaired by the hundreds (if not a thousand) eng squads in no time, while still being able to repair the Russian Maginot line. Hmm - You have my sympathies - if you can't bomb bases for fear of the flak then this mod is borked. What point is there i having a medium bomber force if it can't be used at the decisive point? when looking at what is at Irkutsk (means base forces) then I would guess that a 300 Helen attack at 20.000ft would result in 30 hits on the runway, a dozen Helens lost with another 80 damaged. An attack at 15.000ft would result in 60 hits, 30 Helens shot down and 130 damaged. An attack at 10.000ft would mean 100+ hits but also 50 Helens shot down and 249 damaged, leaving one operational bomber with a morale of 1.... this of course is an exaggeration but I guess you get what I mean. Losing 40 Helens would be a disaster already. that´s why it only took me 10 sec to think about using my bombers against this base. If I could use them then I would use them on ground attack. If I would get two or three waves attacking the major divisions at Irkutsk daily then it would be NO problem to take out this base. Those air attacks would result in three to five (if you´re lucky) heavily disrupted units and those units with a disruption of around 70 aren´t combat effective at all. This way I could knock down the forts with 1:1 or better attacks. Unfortunately I can NOT use my bombers. Not because of the enemy fighter defense, because the enemy flak would kill me. Enemy bases with more than two base forces (not to talk about dedicated AA units) are off limits for my bombers. That´s why I don´t have much use for my Army bombers, other than ASW... My airforce has only a couple of purposes left: ASW, point defense and anti shipping strikes. Attacks on enemy bases has been deleted from the list.

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/25/2009 8:40:08 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/19/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 35 A6M3a Zero x 54 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 35 Ki-61 Ic x 70 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 48 Aircraft Attacking: 32 x Ki-61 Ic bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Paramushiro Jima , at 82,34 Allied aircraft LB-30 Liberator x 8 PB4Y Liberator x 6 Allied aircraft losses LB-30 Liberator: 2 damaged Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet most of the strike failed to locate the target but otherwise the super durable Allied bombers aren´t effected by the daily Blizzards in that region... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107 Allied aircraft B-25J Mitchell x 38 No Allied losses Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 48 Aircraft Attacking: 27 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 4th Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 3 Liberator VI x 5 PV-1 Ventura x 12 B-25C Mitchell x 51 B-25J Mitchell x 24 B-24J Liberator x 11 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 2 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 2 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 5 damaged B-24J Liberator: 7 damaged Japanese ground losses: 217 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 20000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 20th Division, at 21,3 Allied aircraft Spitfire Vb x 3 Liberator VI x 21 Hurricane IIc x 9 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged Japanese ground losses: 53 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Ind. Brigade, at 43,32 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 9 Hurricane IIc x 9 Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 4 damaged Hurricane IIc: 6 damaged Japanese ground losses: 57 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Hurricane IIc bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 36th Division, at 43,32 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 9 B-25J Mitchell x 3 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 62 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Hurricane IIb bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Guards Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 6 Ventura V x 5 PV-1 Ventura x 6 B-25C Mitchell x 122 B-25J Mitchell x 40 F4U-1 Corsair x 6 B-24J Liberator x 6 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 2 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 380 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Aircraft Attacking: 5 x Ventura V bombing at 20000 feet lots of attacks on my LCUs again but we also took down more than a dozen bombers... means that every AA rgt was able to take one bomber down... [:D] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Guards Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 27 PV-1 Ventura x 55 B-25C Mitchell x 20 B-25J Mitchell x 120 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 6 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 3 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 8 damaged Japanese ground losses: 334 casualties reported Guns lost 10 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 20000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 47th Division, at 43,32 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 15 Hurricane IIc x 7 B-25J Mitchell x 9 Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 1 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 96 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet I doubt that the Chinese will ever be able to achieve something again but those air attacks of the stranded British squadrons at Chungking are getting somewhat annoying... three Tony sentais could reduce the number of Hurricanes in China I guess... thank god the enemy doesn´t have enough supplies to upgrade the Hurricanes to Thuds... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 105th IJA Base Force, at 43,32 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIc x 10 Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIc: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 13 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Hurricane IIc bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 109th IJA Base Force, at 43,32 Allied aircraft P-40N Warhawk x 16 B-25J Mitchell x 3 Allied aircraft losses P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 7 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 15 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 107th Region Fortress, at 64,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 24 D3A Val x 9 A6M3a Zero x 58 B5N Kate x 98 G4M1 Betty x 69 P1Y Frances x 28 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 35 Ki-61 Ic x 11 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 53 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 26 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 108th Region Fortress, at 65,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 112 D3A Val x 24 A6M3a Zero x 24 B5N Kate x 24 P1Y Frances x 6 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 163 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 24 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet we are only flying training runs... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 108th Region Fortress, at 65,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 24 D3A Val x 17 D4Y Judy x 21 B5N Kate x 17 G4M1 Betty x 36 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 12 Ki-61 Ic x 47 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 26 x Ki-61 Ic bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 85645 troops, 873 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1813 Defending force 88260 troops, 974 guns, 296 vehicles, Assault Value = 1706 Allied ground losses: 44 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 12874 troops, 373 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10245 Defending force 144516 troops, 1554 guns, 194 vehicles, Assault Value = 2900 Allied ground losses: 307 casualties reported Guns lost 4 next deliberate attack will be in two days... if we lose again 2000 av and the enemy only 100-150 then it will look grim already... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kweiyang Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 22675 troops, 266 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3108 Defending force 302648 troops, 582 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8573 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 42355 troops, 434 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 882 Defending force 46256 troops, 323 guns, 178 vehicles, Assault Value = 814 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cairns Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 158657 troops, 1669 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 3331 Defending force 70701 troops, 532 guns, 52 vehicles, Assault Value = 1123 Allied ground losses: 115 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 7002 troops, 234 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5887 Defending force 121837 troops, 935 guns, 540 vehicles, Assault Value = 1884 Allied ground losses: 88 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chungking Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 21652 troops, 210 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 1322 Defending force 123965 troops, 207 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 2189 Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 69196 troops, 855 guns, 296 vehicles, Assault Value = 1706 Defending force 88345 troops, 873 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1813 Japanese ground losses: 250 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Vehicles lost 1 as soon as the enemy at Blagoveshchensk will run out of supplies this will become my major training target for my airforce. There are three bases only one hex away from Blagoveshchensk and we can put 950 aircraft into those bases as soon as they´ve all been fully built up. This should give us the possibility to fly training runs without suffering a dozen aircraft lost to ops daily. But I fear it will still take a long time until the enemy will have run out of supply as the enemy artillery still does quite some damage... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 6669 troops, 212 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2897 Defending force 546468 troops, 4999 guns, 3068 vehicles, Assault Value = 10245 Japanese ground losses: 281 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 40940 troops, 322 guns, 162 vehicles, Assault Value = 814 Defending force 42355 troops, 434 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 882 Japanese ground losses: 13 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Karachi Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 110283 troops, 890 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3270 Defending force 87360 troops, 806 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 1784 Japanese ground losses: 87 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Allied ground losses: 8 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 72438 troops, 779 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1884 Defending force 298807 troops, 3331 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 5887 Japanese ground losses: 324 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 17 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cairns Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 48811 troops, 502 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1114 Defending force 195840 troops, 1845 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 3331 Japanese ground losses: 88 casualties reported

jwilkerson -> RE: it goes on... (7/28/2009 5:14:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy I´m taking nearly a dozen op losses per turn from those training raids. All from the bases that are two hexes away from the target. Losing something like 300 ac per month in training raids is too much, only training runs from one hex are safe for the Japanese. Hum, in my last game with Moses, he pushed me into having to do most of my IJA fighter training from Manilla and "bombing" San Jose ... a two hex run. I recall working out an alternating system whereby I was able to avoid the kinds of losses you're seeing. Also he "kept me honest" by occasionally hitting Manilla with B-24s from China - so I had to put some guys on CAP. But despite all these interferences I was able to rotate my units roughly every two months. Some would only spend one turn at the front in Burma (a 36 plane units might lose 24 planes in one 2-day turn) and then the unit would get rotated back to Manilla. Moses had wanted PDU "on" ... so during rotations back to Manilla, I would "downgrade" the fighters to Nates or Oscars (when the Nates ran out) ... so I would train up with old planes and then reupgrade back when the units went to the front. This meant I could consume every plane I was given and only had ot build the new planes to fight at the front (spare HI point thus being spent on more ship acceleration). But my air attrition losses seemed lower than yours - I think I put my units on "training" every 2-3 turns - to avoid high fatigue. Oh in the early going I tried to hit 80 average EXP before returning to the front - at one point I got in trouble and lowered the threshold to 75 ... then after a few months units were piling up at the front - so I re-raised the threshold back to 80. Just talking fighters here. We allowed the "supply" training thingy for bombers so different system there. I think the supply thingy either went away in 1806 or it will in 1807 ... so then bombers will have to train differently going forward.

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/28/2009 7:37:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwilkerson quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy I´m taking nearly a dozen op losses per turn from those training raids. All from the bases that are two hexes away from the target. Losing something like 300 ac per month in training raids is too much, only training runs from one hex are safe for the Japanese. Hum, in my last game with Moses, he pushed me into having to do most of my IJA fighter training from Manilla and "bombing" San Jose ... a two hex run. I recall working out an alternating system whereby I was able to avoid the kinds of losses you're seeing. Also he "kept me honest" by occasionally hitting Manilla with B-24s from China - so I had to put some guys on CAP. But despite all these interferences I was able to rotate my units roughly every two months. Some would only spend one turn at the front in Burma (a 36 plane units might lose 24 planes in one 2-day turn) and then the unit would get rotated back to Manilla. Moses had wanted PDU "on" ... so during rotations back to Manilla, I would "downgrade" the fighters to Nates or Oscars (when the Nates ran out) ... so I would train up with old planes and then reupgrade back when the units went to the front. This meant I could consume every plane I was given and only had ot build the new planes to fight at the front (spare HI point thus being spent on more ship acceleration). But my air attrition losses seemed lower than yours - I think I put my units on "training" every 2-3 turns - to avoid high fatigue. Oh in the early going I tried to hit 80 average EXP before returning to the front - at one point I got in trouble and lowered the threshold to 75 ... then after a few months units were piling up at the front - so I re-raised the threshold back to 80. Just talking fighters here. We allowed the "supply" training thingy for bombers so different system there. I think the supply thingy either went away in 1806 or it will in 1807 ... so then bombers will have to train differently going forward. Hi I´m more or less doing the same as you describe, with the difference that my units are flying "training runs" every day. I don´t start the training until the fat is down to 1 or 2, so this means that the average fat for one of my daitais on training is usually 5 or 6 when flying daily runs from two hexes. Doesn´t seem excessive to me, flying is dangerous as the Japanese, I have 0 fat 90 exp pilots crashing while doing transfers more or less all the time. Well, this all is of course ranting on a very high level, as it stands now I shouldn´t complain about anything to be honest. [;)] I guess the losses I take from flying those hundreds of training runs daily at the moment aren´t off anyway, it´s just annoying if you lose a couple of high exp pilots daily as not only the <70 pilots are crashing. All this can be avoided when flying 1 hex attacks, I neraly never take losses in those attacks on Manila, both strikes coming from one hex (Clark and Bataan). I can also fly 400 ac out of Vladivostok on a one hex attack on a static Russian fortress but nearly 900 ac more are flying attacks from two hexes. Insane, summing it up I must have nearly 2000 ac set to training at the moment. Must be a new record for me. And the numbers are growing at the moment due to getting lots of reinforcements with big ac numbers. This doesn´t mean the pilots in my daitais all need training but with the losses I´ve taken against the enemy carriers near the Gilberts I decided that all daitais that suffered losses should do some training. Both bombers and fighters are doing training runs, no ac is set to supply runs. The huge numbers of training runs will decrease within the next two months again, I expect no more than 700 ac being used then.

rominet -> RE: it goes on... (7/28/2009 7:47:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwilkerson quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy I´m taking nearly a dozen op losses per turn from those training raids. All from the bases that are two hexes away from the target. Losing something like 300 ac per month in training raids is too much, only training runs from one hex are safe for the Japanese. Hum, in my last game with Moses, he pushed me into having to do most of my IJA fighter training from Manilla and "bombing" San Jose ... a two hex run. I recall working out an alternating system whereby I was able to avoid the kinds of losses you're seeing. Also he "kept me honest" by occasionally hitting Manilla with B-24s from China - so I had to put some guys on CAP. But despite all these interferences I was able to rotate my units roughly every two months. Some would only spend one turn at the front in Burma (a 36 plane units might lose 24 planes in one 2-day turn) and then the unit would get rotated back to Manilla. Moses had wanted PDU "on" ... so during rotations back to Manilla, I would "downgrade" the fighters to Nates or Oscars (when the Nates ran out) ... so I would train up with old planes and then reupgrade back when the units went to the front. This meant I could consume every plane I was given and only had ot build the new planes to fight at the front (spare HI point thus being spent on more ship acceleration). But my air attrition losses seemed lower than yours - I think I put my units on "training" every 2-3 turns - to avoid high fatigue. Oh in the early going I tried to hit 80 average EXP before returning to the front - at one point I got in trouble and lowered the threshold to 75 ... then after a few months units were piling up at the front - so I re-raised the threshold back to 80. Just talking fighters here. We allowed the "supply" training thingy for bombers so different system there. I think the supply thingy either went away in 1806 or it will in 1807 ... so then bombers will have to train differently going forward. I confirm that making air groups training at a distance of 2 hex gives some operationnal losses but it seems to me acceptable. And some of the pilots are only WIA. Of course, the best distance is 1 hex where there is nearly no op losses. The best way to achieve that is to keep a ennemy base near one big friendly base, for example Bataan kept to allies when Clark Field is jap. The trouble may come from the fact that when Bataan will be completely empty of enemy troops, it will probably become a jap base automically by proximity. But there is a way to avoid that: put a jap ground unit on Bataan et never attack. The base will stay as Allies [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 589727 troops, 5764 guns, 3391 vehicles, Assault Value = 12049 Defending force 150509 troops, 1765 guns, 201 vehicles, Assault Value = 3066 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 8 Japanese max assault: 10743 - adjusted assault: 4796 Allied max defense: 3144 - adjusted defense: 5558 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8) Japanese ground losses: 27838 casualties reported Guns lost 733 Vehicles lost 243 Allied ground losses: 5038 casualties reported Guns lost 241 Vehicles lost 6 omg... our first attack and the ground combat routine once again shows how "well" it works. As every unit gets a shot at every enemy unit, the result of sending in more troops for an attack only results in more casualties for you. I had more than a dozen eng rgts and ALL are completely wrecked. They have ALL their combat eng squads disabled, guess with the losses within our inf divs, I´ve had nearly 800 combat eng squads disabled in just one attack. I´ve never sent such a big Army into combat and I´ve never suffered so many casualties in one turn when no units surrendered. I´m pretty sure that we only inflicted losses within the enemy´s HQ units that are in the lead, there are at least five or six I guess. Next attack in three or four days. If our eng can´t take down another fort level then the assault is already a failure as we then won´t be able to take down a fort because I doubt we will achieve a 1:1. This attack has cost us more than 1500 assault points. Whenever possible, try to avoid land combat in WITP when there are more than two divisions involved. Sorry, i am a little bit late on your AAR but according to you, what is the reason of a so big difference between the jap max assault value and the adjusted one's??? "Japanese max assault: 10743 - adjusted assault: 4796"

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/28/2009 9:38:36 AM)
the reason why the adjusted av is halfed is because ground combat is completely borked in WITP. Seriously, I´ve got no idea. While there are the well known modifiers why a defensive adjusted av looks what it looks like, I have yet to hear why 100% prepped, not fatigued, not disrupted, fully supplied units get their av halfed. I can only repeat myself, ground combat in WITP is completely borked and with everything in WITP, the more units there are involved the more obvious the flaws of the engine. Everything in WITP works very well as long as there are reasonable numbers are involved. As soon as you get above reasonable numbers, you get screwed results. As it stands now, we won´t be able to take out a base with 2500 enemy av with 12000 of my fully prepped av. Several reasons for this: we can´t bomb the base. Why? Due to the all killing Allied Nikmod flak. The base will never be starved. Why? Because of the auto supply that brings in thousands of supply points each day, even though the base is completely cut off. The borked engine which enables every defending unit firing at every attacking unit one after another, inflicting more and more casualties the more units you send in (kind of contraproductive to send in more units anyway). The uber ability of Allied units to build a maginot line while constantly being under attack - doing this in just a couple of days. The inability of taking out the forts with nearly a thousand combat engineers (they are ALL disabled after two attacks [sm=crazy.gif][sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif]). And last but not least, while we lose 2000 av with each attack, the enemy loses 100-150. [sm=crazy.gif]. Means one attack disables the equivalent of 5 IJA divisions. [&o]

Yakface -> RE: it goes on... (7/28/2009 5:21:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy I have yet to hear why 100% prepped, not fatigued, not disrupted, fully supplied units get their av halfed. I've heard that some defensive adjustments (eg terrain and forts) are applied to the attacker as a negative modifier. Others (eg prep, HQ) are applied as positives to defensive AV.

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/28/2009 6:42:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yakface quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy I have yet to hear why 100% prepped, not fatigued, not disrupted, fully supplied units get their av halfed. I've heard that some defensive adjustments (eg terrain and forts) are applied to the attacker as a negative modifier. Others (eg prep, HQ) are applied as positives to defensive AV. at least terrain can´t be a negative modifier for me in this case because it´s a clear terrain. Lol, if it would be a wooden hex I would need 24.000 av to achieve what I achieved so far, which is nearly nothing. And this against only 4 "real" enemy divs, the rest is worn down units or fragments of units that are rebuilding. Fighting against more or less the maximum the Japanese can field when stripping China (after conquering it) and taking out more or less everything Russian held.

Historiker -> RE: it goes on... (7/29/2009 12:15:45 PM)
will you continue your game till the end, now that AE is out? Moreover, would you mind sending my bigbaba's email adress via PM, I don't have it here on my laptop and want to tell him that the good times are over and he'll be challenged by me, again [;)]

Historiker -> RE: it goes on... (7/29/2009 1:16:37 PM)
hat sich erledigt, er hat sich bei mir gemeldet! trotzdem danke :)

castor troy -> RE: it goes on... (7/29/2009 2:59:08 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/20/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 244 D3A Val x 48 A6M5c Zeke x 47 A6M3a Zero x 89 B5N Kate x 46 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 35 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 47 Ki-61 Ic x 70 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 25 casualties reported Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 204 Port hits 3 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107 Allied aircraft B-25J Mitchell x 42 No Allied losses Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 23 Aircraft Attacking: 33 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 20th Mixed Brigade, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 13 PV-1 Ventura x 15 B-25C Mitchell x 5 B-25J Mitchell x 49 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 4 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 3 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 7 damaged Japanese ground losses: 168 casualties reported Guns lost 9 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 20000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 27th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 45 Yak-1 x 12 Yak-3 x 20 Yak-9D x 78 IL-2 Shturmovik x 19 Pe-2 x 28 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged Pe-2: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged Pe-2R: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 113 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Pe-2 bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 36th Division, at 43,32 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 31 P-40N Warhawk x 10 Hurricane IIc x 7 B-25J Mitchell x 10 Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged Hurricane IIc: 2 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 144 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 28th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 75 Yak-1 x 47 Yak-9D x 146 IL-2 Shturmovik x 31 Pe-2 x 32 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 14 damaged Pe-2: 12 damaged Japanese ground losses: 91 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Aircraft Attacking: 15 x IL-2 Shturmovik bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 29th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 11 Yak-1 x 6 Yak-3 x 6 Yak-9D x 20 IL-2 Shturmovik x 6 Pe-2 x 16 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 5 damaged Pe-2: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 49 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Pe-2 bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 57th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 22 Yak-1 x 12 Yak-3 x 12 Yak-9D x 36 IL-2 Shturmovik x 11 Pe-2 x 21 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged Pe-2: 7 damaged Japanese ground losses: 76 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Pe-2 bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 14th Division, at 59,6 Allied aircraft MiG-3 x 10 Yak-1 x 6 Yak-3 x 9 Yak-9D x 22 IL-2 Shturmovik x 3 Pe-2 x 25 Pe-2R x 1 Allied aircraft losses IL-2 Shturmovik: 3 damaged Pe-2: 6 damaged Pe-2R: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 17 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Pe-2 bombing at 10000 feet god damn, why do the Allied always get several attacks on different LCUs while the Japanese is stuck with one, two or in best case three attacks with more bombers? counterproductive as all you need is to disrupt the units and three dozen bombers are enough to do that... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Guards Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 5 Ventura V x 7 PV-1 Ventura x 5 B-25C Mitchell x 96 B-25J Mitchell x 16 B-24J Liberator x 9 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 1 damaged Ventura V: 1 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 15 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 189 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Aircraft Attacking: 7 x Ventura V bombing at 20000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Guards Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 15 PV-1 Ventura x 33 B-25C Mitchell x 11 B-25J Mitchell x 80 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 6 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 16 damaged Japanese ground losses: 153 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 20000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Guards Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 6 Liberator VI x 7 PV-1 Ventura x 8 B-25C Mitchell x 69 B-25J Mitchell x 15 B-24J Liberator x 15 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 1 destroyed Liberator VI: 3 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 11 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 151 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 20000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 62nd Division, at 46,103 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 2 PV-1 Ventura x 4 B-25C Mitchell x 13 B-25J Mitchell x 9 B-24J Liberator x 6 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 1 damaged PV-1 Ventura: 2 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 4 damaged B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 103 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x PV-1 Ventura bombing at 20000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 47th Division, at 43,32 Allied aircraft B-25J Mitchell x 3 Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 105th IJA Base Force, at 43,32 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIc x 13 Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIc: 5 damaged Japanese ground losses: 30 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 5 x Hurricane IIc bombing at 2000 feet hell a lot ground attacks by Allied aircraft... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 108th Region Fortress, at 65,32 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 116 D3A Val x 24 A6M3a Zero x 24 G4M1 Betty x 18 P1Y Frances x 7 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 165 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 20 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 24 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 56,88 Allied aircraft Beaufighter Mk 21 x 21 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AG AG-5163, Shell hits 4, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AG AG-2049, Shell hits 8, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AG AG-5161, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AG AG-2083, Shell hits 16, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AG AG-2064, Shell hits 16 AG AG-2094, Shell hits 12, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 attacking at 100 feet those Beaufighters really are a threat to my barges... [image]local://upfiles/13774/AC9816FA419E42ABB2F58E7CFA8E28E9.jpg[/image] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 85476 troops, 867 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 1807 Defending force 87772 troops, 962 guns, 293 vehicles, Assault Value = 1696 Allied ground losses: 50 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 13021 troops, 384 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10372 Defending force 145147 troops, 1575 guns, 196 vehicles, Assault Value = 2906 Allied ground losses: 63 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kweiyang Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 22669 troops, 265 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3109 Defending force 312020 troops, 578 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8886 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 42384 troops, 438 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 881 Defending force 45999 troops, 310 guns, 175 vehicles, Assault Value = 813 Allied ground losses: 76 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cairns Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 158676 troops, 1677 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 3329 Defending force 70730 troops, 528 guns, 52 vehicles, Assault Value = 1121 Allied ground losses: 47 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 7009 troops, 235 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5894 Defending force 122577 troops, 951 guns, 542 vehicles, Assault Value = 1906 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chungking Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 21672 troops, 213 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 1323 Defending force 123879 troops, 207 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 2191 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 68800 troops, 846 guns, 293 vehicles, Assault Value = 1696 Defending force 88136 troops, 867 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 1807 Japanese ground losses: 6 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Irkutsk Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 6723 troops, 216 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2906 Defending force 548160 troops, 5019 guns, 3114 vehicles, Assault Value = 10372 Japanese ground losses: 378 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Iman Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 40691 troops, 308 guns, 160 vehicles, Assault Value = 813 Defending force 42384 troops, 438 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 881 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Karachi Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 110731 troops, 900 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3299 Defending force 87474 troops, 806 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 1790 Japanese ground losses: 123 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Allied ground losses: 17 casualties reported Guns lost 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Townsville Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 72908 troops, 795 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1906 Defending force 298790 troops, 3342 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 5894 Japanese ground losses: 325 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cairns Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 48884 troops, 500 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1118 Defending force 195713 troops, 1852 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 3329 Japanese ground losses: 100 casualties reported

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