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Hades -> (6/19/2002 9:54:34 AM)
i guess ill have too agree with you but the same manly goes for No mans land, too.

PavelPipovitsch -> (6/27/2002 1:26:13 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1 [B]Never forget the night me and a friend were watching Patton on tv at his place. Naturally I had seen it before. I was uttering the words a fraction of a second in advance. Actually sounded like an echo heheh. His mother looks at me and comically says "you have seen this before haven't you" heheh. Seen so many war movies with yet another batch of tired old M-46 Pershings or tired M-48's or tired M-60's. And the ever popular M-24 Chaffees cause the Americans have to be seen to have tanks that look smaller than German ones. Amazing what a coat of paint will supposedly due for accuracy heheh. But I can forgive a film for not having money for then unavailable tanks in large numbers. But bad plots are never excusable. [/B][/QUOTE] I read about the making-of of Sam Peckinpah愀 "Steiner-The Iron Cross". He planned to include 10 tanks. Then he got delivered only 3 to make scenes (I think the movie was made in Yugoslavia). But he managed to make a good movie still, and you don愒 miss a single russian tank in it.

Belisarius -> (7/6/2002 9:27:20 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PavelPipovitsch [B] I read about the making-of of Sam Peckinpah愀 "Steiner-The Iron Cross". He planned to include 10 tanks. Then he got delivered only 3 to make scenes (I think the movie was made in Yugoslavia). But he managed to make a good movie still, and you don愒 miss a single russian tank in it. [/B][/QUOTE] Speaking of tanks in war movies; Imdb.com states that the Tiger in [I]Saving private Ryan[/I] is a rebuilt T-34. While it's obviously not a true Tiger, can it really be a T? The size and suspension seem to support that, but why butcher a piece of vintage equipment to build a look-a-like? There must've been cheaper and easier ways to build a Tiger copy? Anyone have input on this?

Baldrick -> (7/19/2002 3:12:36 AM)
My hands down favorite is the Thomas/Borgnine version of "All Quiet on the Western Front". I s'pose that wasn't a theatrical release but it'll hold its own in any list.

msaario -> (7/19/2002 3:41:40 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Belisarius [B] Speaking of tanks in war movies; Imdb.com states that the Tiger in [I]Saving private Ryan[/I] is a rebuilt T-34. While it's obviously not a true Tiger, can it really be a T? The size and suspension seem to support that, but why butcher a piece of vintage equipment to build a look-a-like? There must've been cheaper and easier ways to build a Tiger copy? Anyone have input on this? [/B][/QUOTE] It's obviously a T34. Like you said, just look at the suspension and the wheels. And the turret position - it's too far ahead. I guess it's easy to weld a piece of metal to make it look boxy? Someone was wondering (three months ago or so) how he can find the Winter War movie. You can get it from Amazon, at least. It's got some intensive action scenes, but as a movie, it's definitely a bit clumsy. That movie shows first hand how great Suvorov's appraised Red Army tactics were in WW2... Cross of Iron is definitely a good movie, though it's abit slow at times. My vote goes to Das Boot, though. --Mikko

Ivan -> (7/22/2002 5:25:49 AM)
**...tough question....id have to go with......no way in hell can i name the best movie...so many great war movies... anyone ever see "when trumpets fade"? great war movie set in the hurtgen forest. btw-winterwar aka. talvisota is pretty clumsy in everyway....But **, those t-26s looks suspisious...where did they get so many of them

msaario -> (7/22/2002 2:25:09 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ivan [B]btw-winterwar aka. talvisota is pretty clumsy in everyway....But ****, those t-26s looks suspisious...where did they get so many of them [/B][/QUOTE] Industrial Light + Magic? --Mikko

ananias -> (7/23/2002 11:56:26 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ivan [B btw-winterwar aka. talvisota is pretty clumsy in everyway....But ****, those t-26s looks suspisious...where did they get so many of them [/B][/QUOTE] Doesn愒 Parolan panssarimuseo have many working T-26愀? Or so I have heard....What I know is that they do have a working BA-20 (or was it BA-10? Can愒 say for sure...) that makes a really quick appearance in the movie....has anyone else spotted it?;)

Ivan -> (7/24/2002 5:28:50 AM)
dont they also have stugs, t-34s and kv-1s? think i saw a brochure of theirs once

ananias -> (7/24/2002 10:59:04 PM)
Of course they have all that. Don愒 know if they have any working stugs, but I think that there was a working KV-1 in the new version of "Tuntematon Sotilas", directed by R. Molberg. And about those t-34愀....h_ell, the finnish armoured forces still train with them, don愒 they?:) I visited Parola when I was still a little boy, and was very impressed by all the hardware they had. Don愒 remember much about it, though... I guess I should go there again someday.

Ivan -> (7/25/2002 4:29:53 AM)
rofl well maybe 10 years back we did train with t-34s, but seriously tho, thank god we are getting Leopards, geez, those T-55s are OLD!

Belisarius -> (7/25/2002 4:12:05 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ivan [B]rofl well maybe 10 years back we did train with t-34s, but seriously tho, thank god we are getting Leopards, geez, those T-55s are OLD! [/B][/QUOTE] Leopard 2's ROCK! Just goes to prove there's still good cats around. [IMG]http://www.p4.mil.se/images/local/strv122280.jpg[/IMG] A Swedish cat. Cute. :p

ananias -> (7/26/2002 8:45:42 PM)
Too bad our leos will not be as cute as yours. They need a bit of upgrading, or so I扉e heard.... About those T55s.....maybe we should donate them to the Estonians?:)

Hades -> (7/27/2002 2:07:24 PM)
Come on the M1A2 is still the best tank, too bad the US Army thinks tanks are outdated.

Ivan -> (7/27/2002 8:31:50 PM)
yah the m1a2 is pretty much invincible.

ananias -> (7/27/2002 9:10:24 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hades [B]Come on the M1A2 is still the best tank, too bad the US Army thinks tanks are outdated. [/B][/QUOTE] Hey, don愒 get carried away. This thread is named "The "Actual" Greatest War Movie ever", not "The best modern MBT".

VikingNo2 -> (7/30/2002 2:46:12 PM)
The Big Red One

Kanda' -> (8/1/2002 2:33:51 PM)
Greetings... Pork Chop Hill. The Only war movie that isn't full of cliche, M48's pretending to be tigers, completely historicaly correct, and faithfully recreates an actual battle and it's conditions. I hate war movies that spend 90 minutes out of 120 trying to get you to feel the emotional pain of some poor slob you really don't give a hoot about, then make it seem so tramatic to them that "Oh my god! I'm actually here in the middle of a war! Oh Boo Hoo!!" Ugh... Black Hawk Downer (technicly it's not really the name of a movie:p ) was so insipidly Liberal! I was ashamed to watch it! If that's the way US rangers fight now, God help us all... That's why Pork chop hill is the best. Greg Peck is tough as nails and never lets you forget it. BooYaW! 98 minutes of non-stop Intelligent action. Where the drama is intense not because of a good background score, but because the situation IS intense. No big special effects, just superb acting that displays every situation from cowerdice to Gallantry and every range in between. Kanda'

VikingNo2 -> (8/1/2002 2:58:12 PM)
Come on open up tell us how you really feel:rolleyes: ;)

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/1/2002 6:18:27 PM)
I think Pork Chop Hill was a good film for similar reasons.

OKW-73 -> (8/2/2002 8:31:45 AM)
So many good movies to pick...but my answer shall be - Enemy at the Gates, because i think battle of Stalingrad is most interesting battle ever :)

Ivan -> (8/2/2002 10:08:36 PM)
yah i really think enemy at the gates captured the true feel of stalingrad

ananias -> (8/2/2002 10:59:06 PM)
Yeah, Enemy at the gates would be on my top-3 too, if only the characters would speak russian and german, instead of english. To me that totally killed the movie.

JonnieWalker -> (8/4/2002 3:33:37 AM)
Enemy at gates is good film, but there are few moments that are not very correct and nice. Moment when one soldier rifle and another bullets for it looks fuuny, when russians run like idiots on german mg...

Ivan -> (8/4/2002 7:26:01 AM)
what do you mean? It is a known fact that the russians had more men than rifles in the beginning. i loved the 1 rifle, 14 men thing

JonnieWalker -> (8/4/2002 3:12:59 PM)
At first months of the war , yes. But not in late 42. Russian troops had enougf rifles and ammo to ( in difference to artillery which tested sharp shortage of an ammunition ) equip every soldier. I doubt that my grandfa would survived without rifle or bullets in Stalingrad ;-)

OKW-73 -> (8/4/2002 8:15:27 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JonnieWalker [B]At first months of the war , yes. But not in late 42. Russian troops had enougf rifles and ammo to ( in difference to artillery which tested sharp shortage of an ammunition ) equip every soldier. I doubt that my grandfa would survived without rifle or bullets in Stalingrad ;-) [/B][/QUOTE] Actually they didnt have rifles for all in Stalingrad and that is a fact from Anthony Beevors Book Stalingrad...happens to be a best book written about battles of Stalingrad this far IMO, so i kinda believe it if cant see other proves ;)

OKW-73 -> (8/4/2002 8:51:55 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ananias [B]Yeah, Enemy at the gates would be on my top-3 too, if only the characters would speak russian and german, instead of english. To me that totally killed the movie. [/B][/QUOTE] Yes, i agree with that language thing, but not many movies have Germans that really speak Germany and same goes to Russians...Except that i think it didnt kill movie because great actors and sfx... Well, Das Boot have one and Stalingrad have one..cant remember much more...but even a right language speaking didnt save Stalingrad from bad actors..but thats only my opinion of course ;)

JonnieWalker -> (8/5/2002 1:52:53 AM)
I too do not apply for accuracy, besides what difference if we won this battle :) Bad that you guys didn't see many russian war films, they pretty good enougf, especially epopee-movie "War" .

ananias -> (8/7/2002 12:28:26 AM)
I扉e seen a russian war film, and it was quite good. It told the story of a group of russian soldiers stationed in a remonted outpost. They were constanly bugged by a lone sniper who, however, didn愒 kill any of the soldiers until the very end of the movie. There was a good reason for that, but I think I惻l leave the details out.:) There wasn愒 much fighting in the film but that didn愒 bother me. Too bad I can愒 remeber the name of the film.... Btw, my favorite russian film is "Brother".

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