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Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/15/2009 4:32:27 PM)

Late in the turn the weather turns to clear.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/0D92B1F7CB3146B598179CBD93B88C18.jpg[/image]
Picture taken at the beginning of USSR Impulse 9, November/December 41.



composer99 -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/15/2009 7:06:25 PM)

No good groundstrikes for the USSR with all the German fighters about. Nevertheless, are they going to make hay while the sun shines or sit tight and let Jerry do his thing?



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/16/2009 5:21:44 PM)

The Soviet forces withdraw to a circle around Moscow.

USSR still has an offensive to play but feels that against overwhelming German air superiority and and no disruputed Germans it might be wiser to save it for a possible counterattack.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/188C0F4CCB874681B2020945734DCD45.jpg[/image]
Picture taken at the end of USSR Impulse 9, November/December 41.



Froonp -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/16/2009 6:16:26 PM)

What do the global russian front look like ?
quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

The Soviet forces withdraw to a circle around Moscow.

USSR still has an offensive to play but feels that against overwhelming German air superiority and and no disruputed Germans it might be wiser to save it for a possible counterattack.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/188C0F4CCB874681B2020945734DCD45.jpg[/image]
Picture taken at the end of USSR Impulse 9, November/December 41.




Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/16/2009 9:56:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp

What do the global russian front look like ?
quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

The Soviet forces withdraw to a circle around Moscow.

USSR still has an offensive to play but feels that against overwhelming German air superiority and and no disruputed Germans it might be wiser to save it for a possible counterattack.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/188C0F4CCB874681B2020945734DCD45.jpg[/image]
Picture taken at the end of USSR Impulse 9, November/December 41.



I am not sure that this tight ring around Moscow is such a good idea for the USSR. The victory conditions are by city for this scenario, so isn't taking Gorki just as important as taking Moscow?

Thinning out the encircling German line should free up units to eliminate some isolated Russian units with low risk.



SLAAKMAN -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/16/2009 10:11:12 PM)

Picture taken at the end of USSR Impulse 9, November/December 41.
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USSR still has an offensive to play but feels that against overwhelming German air superiority and and no disruputed Germans it might be wiser to save it for a possible counterattack.

(As we can plainly see being surrounded is merely a flesh wound); [sm=00000506.gif]
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Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/17/2009 5:19:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp

What do the global russian front look like ?



The south front looks approximately like it did in post #145 in this thread.



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/17/2009 5:43:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets



The victory conditions are by city for this scenario, so isn't taking Gorki just as important as taking Moscow?


Moscow counts as 2 victory objects and Gorki as one.

All cities in USSR count as an additional victory object. Since Moscow is both an USSR city and a normal victory objective it counts as 2.



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/17/2009 5:53:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I am not sure that this tight ring around Moscow is such a good idea for the USSR. The victory conditions are by city for this scenario, so isn't taking Gorki just as important as taking Moscow?

Thinning out the encircling German line should free up units to eliminate some isolated Russian units with low risk.


I considered making the defence line longer towards Gorki at first. The line looked to thin for comfort.

Gorki is a city with 2 defenders that can only be attacked from 2 hexes by Germany. Since it is in forrest ground strikes has less chance of success against Gorki.

If Germany attacks Gorki the line surrounding the Moscow pocket may become thin in some places. With bad weather Germany will have real trouble (read impossible) to keep all of that line in supply all the way around and to Gorki.

I therefore prefered to make the tight Moscow defence line. With a Soviet Offencive left there might be a possibility to launch a counteroffencive from the pocket against possible failed German attacks or out of supply Germans.



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/17/2009 9:42:20 PM)

Germany decides to continue the offence with the fine weather. Launches 4 ground strikes and all clears to their targets disrupting 4 defenders in 2 hexes.

Yeremenko gives defensive HQ support to one of the attacked hexes.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/394AB3341FEC4BEB8900FDAFFE666018.jpg[/image]
Picture taken at Land Combat Resolution of Axis Impulse 10, November/December 41.



Incy -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/18/2009 3:01:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

Gorki is a city with 2 defenders that can only be attacked from 2 hexes by Germany. Since it is in forrest ground strikes has less chance of success against Gorki.



It could have bee attacked by 4 hexes, with some attackers coming from the north...



composer99 -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/18/2009 4:11:16 PM)

As it is it looks like the Germans are going to reduce the pocket some... this has not turned out well for the Soviets at all, and if this was a longer campaign they'd be in it real deep with so much army sealed in around Moscow.



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/20/2009 8:14:40 AM)

The time for easy German attacks are over...

[image]local://upfiles/29130/C586655142E4412382D6449AAD9BDC01.jpg[/image]
Picture taken at Land Combat Resolution of Axis Impulse 10, November/December 41.



Lothrim -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/20/2009 11:49:41 AM)

I believe there is a bug in the screenshot above. The attack is rated as 30:17
The german units have 60 factors attacking across the river (the red PzJag is doubled) so the attackers are summed up correctly.
But the russians are cheated of 2 factors, the 3 factor 85mm AA is not doubled even though the attackers include armoured units.
The russians should have 20 defence factors.



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/20/2009 6:07:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lothrim

I believe there is a bug in the screenshot above. The attack is rated as 30:17
The german units have 60 factors attacking across the river (the red PzJag is doubled) so the attackers are summed up correctly.
But the russians are cheated of 2 factors, the 3 factor 85mm AA is not doubled even though the attackers include armoured units.
The russians should have 20 defence factors.


This is a bug that I fixed about a month ago. If ORM is using the current version of the program then I guess I didn't fix it.



lomyrin -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/20/2009 6:23:54 PM)

It works fine in the current version

Lars



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/20/2009 6:54:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

This is a bug that I fixed about a month ago. If ORM is using the current version of the program then I guess I didn't fix it.

I had to go back to an earlier version to continue this game. MWIF has been updated so much that this old Barbarossa game can't be played in the newest version.



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/22/2009 4:33:24 PM)

Almost a complete failure for the German attacks...

1) Germany rolls a 9 on Yaroslav and with +5 on the attack Germany loss 3 units against 1 USSR unit.
2) +5 attack and the die roll is 12 so the Soviet forces are retreated and half of the attacking German units are disorganized.
3) Germany rolls a 4 on the +4 (+3.53 with a successful fractional odds die roll) in the south.Germany losses 1 Arm Div and one 1 Inf Corps as extra loss.
4) +21 gives an automatic successful attack.
5) On the +14 attack in forest Germany rolls 6 and takes an extra loss and it must be a 8-5 armor corps.

All in all USSR lost 2 Mil corps and 1 Inf corps against Germanys losses of 1 Inf div, 1 arm div, 3 Inf Corps and 1 Arm corps.

The turn ends to the dismay of the Soviet side who was eager to unleach a counter offensive against the disrupted German forces.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/2A9A8642F12E4D5BB9257E1C09C2C93E.jpg[/image]
Picture taken at End pf Turn, November/December 41.



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/23/2009 11:28:04 PM)

Germany wins the initiative for the last turn of the campaign.

But the weather turns bad and almost nothing at all happens.


[image]local://upfiles/29130/279012CB11784BD3BB2CA7994A139CAD.jpg[/image]
Picture taken at the end of German Impulse 1, Jan/Feb 42.



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (9/26/2009 8:58:44 PM)

The blizzard gets even worse. The blizzard even stretches into the Mediterranean now (a 10 rolled last impulse followed by a 9 modified to 11).

Just a few units got moved a hex or 2.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/0F6E42B29CA54D1B8E4C2529A8F4A7CC.jpg[/image]
Picture taken at the beginning of German Impulse 7, Jan/Feb 42.



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (10/6/2009 5:21:17 PM)

Germany and the Soviet union just moved a couple of more units during each of their impulses. After impulse 10 the Soviet Union rolled the end of the turn and of the campaign.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/7B50DC9ED25A4759A98D15BA6F669086.jpg[/image]



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (10/7/2009 8:43:34 PM)

Here is a picture on the Murmansk front at the end of the campaign.

During the campaign the Finnish forces made 3 assaults on Murmansk and failed them all with small losses on both sides.



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BallyJ -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (10/8/2009 12:19:19 AM)

Great work!
This and the one on China has really wet my appertite.
Well done



Joseignacio -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (10/8/2009 8:15:44 AM)

Yes, thank you for that. [sm=sign0031.gif]



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (10/8/2009 5:37:04 PM)

Here is a picture on the Leningrad front at the end of the campaign.

After the first turn there was no attacks at all in this sector.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/F3B0465F272249C69CFC3B2475297DDD.jpg[/image]



morgil -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (10/10/2009 1:23:11 AM)

Just a quick question, how does Finland retake the Borderlands, and again make them part of Finland ?
You have to step on every hex ?




Extraneous -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (10/10/2009 1:44:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: morgil

Just a quick question, how does Finland retake the Borderlands, and again make them part of Finland ?
You have to step on every hex ?




The USSR claims the Finnish border lands

If Finland allows the claim, it stays neutral and the Finnish border lands become part of the USSR for all purposes until the USSR controls no hex in the Finnish border lands (at which point the Finnish border lands again become part of Finland).


If Finland and the USSR come to peace, Finland again becomes a neutral minor country. The USSR keeps control of the Finnish border lands, exactly as if Finland had allowed a claim to them, provided there is a Soviet land unit anywhere in the border lands.



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (10/10/2009 7:08:32 AM)

And a picture of the southern part of the front.

After taking Kiev the best of the German units on the southern front along with the Rundstedt HQ advanced toward Moscow. At the time it felt right to concentrate the forces on one front but this led to supply trouble for Germany on the southern front that became worse as the southern front expanded. Therefore there was little action on the southern front the last 3 turns.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/61A463EB26C64BEEB219E84B0DF7A5FF.jpg[/image]



Orm -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (10/10/2009 3:16:53 PM)

Germany had planned to make an assault on Sevastapol and continue to advance over the straits but never got around to get an HQ this far south. Maybe Germany should have made a combined in one of the bad weather impulses to get sea supply here.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/1C513B3FE2A344D78FEE587743441FF5.jpg[/image]
Picture taken at the end of the game



brian brian -> RE: Barbarossa and Army Group Center in pictures (10/10/2009 11:13:05 PM)

OK, I'll ask ... who won?



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