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Matto -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/24/2009 9:43:49 PM)

So waiting for Sweden and Austria ... 




Franck -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/24/2009 11:06:03 PM)

Sent, I forgot to send it when I played it!




barbarossa2 -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/25/2009 2:08:06 AM)

LOL.  And I just forgot to do the turn with everything that happened today. *Sorry* :(




Mus -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/26/2009 12:28:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronWarrior

To me, Terms of Surrender are "enforced" and not "proposed", so I would say it is illogical for the originating nation to be penalized for non compliance by the surrendering nation (including secret treaties).

Terms of Surrender are already limited by what happens during the war (casualties sustained, how badly the side was defeated, etc) which should be enough imo. The victor should not be further penalized by limiting what they can demand under Terms of Surrender because of existing treaties (which may have caused the war in the first place [:D]).

...'To the victor go the spoils'?


Right...should the losing party fail to obey the terms of its surrender the war would continue. Therefore the only thing that makes sense is for treaties that conflict with the terms of surrender to automatically cancel and the canceling party (loser of the war) take those glory hits as additional penalty while abiding by the terms of its surrender.

To the victor go the spoils, vae victus, the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must, pick your historical quotation about the consequences of losing wars.

[;)]




Mus -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/26/2009 3:46:35 AM)

BTW heres a screenshot of the ongoing treaty weirdness. Turkey bounces back and forth between enforced no alliance clause and enforced alliance clause.

I get free 5 glory every turn for forming an alliance with Russia... no penalty for canceling treaty as required by surrender treaty.

WAD? I hope not.

The way I think it ought to be working is that the surrender terms treaty should take precedence and I should be forced to cancel my enforced alliance agreement with Russia (big glory hit) and then cancel my alliance a single time (another big glory hit).


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Kingmaker -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/26/2009 9:22:33 PM)

HiHi

Russias T27 orders sent in.

All the Best
Peter




IronWarrior -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/28/2009 12:18:05 AM)

France turn 28 in. [8D]




Kingmaker -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/28/2009 11:31:55 AM)

HiHi

Russias T28 orders sent in.

All the Best
Peter




timurlain -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/28/2009 11:33:24 AM)

Prussia is waiting for the frog-eaters as well :)
How dare the French not accept my generous treaty ?

Turn in.




barbarossa2 -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/29/2009 2:12:39 AM)

Hello all,

I am leaving for two weeks on vacation. It is *possible* that I will be able to play CoG:EE from where I am at. But it is also possible that this won't be possible and for two weeks I may be out of communication. Until further notice, please send my turns to France (Iron Warrior) to execute. :)

-B2




IronWarrior -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/29/2009 4:59:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: timurlain

Prussia is waiting for the frog-eaters as well :)
How dare the French not accept my generous treaty ?

Turn in.


[:D]


Have a good trip B2. Now if I remember right you said something about subsidizing France with the entire Treasury of Sweden? [:D] (just kidding)




lenin -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/29/2009 11:57:51 AM)

What has happened to the British army in Gibraltar? I took 1k casualties at most, against 38k Spanish. Yet they have disappeared? Where have they gone to? I should have 57-58k against 100k or so?

Any ideas, or is this a bug?

Just wondering, as the Spanish were on course to reduce Gibraltar in about 5 years, yet now they seem to have captured it, despite ongoing supply from the sea.

Does a "breach in the walls" allow a garrisons capture? If so, its a waste of time garrisoning your fortresses?

Pete.




lenin -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/29/2009 12:37:04 PM)

Just looked again. I suffered 500 casualties against the Spanish 38k, but still my garrison surrendered (all 58k or so of them) -despite approximate numerical parity and mostly superior morale..

Oh well....




barbarossa2 -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/29/2009 1:17:10 PM)

Interestingly in a ton of reading I am doing about siege warfare in the 18th century, most garrisons (seems 90% or so) did, in fact, surrender when the walls were first compromised or breached or assaulted. A drummer would announce this to the besieger. This was known as "beating the chamade". Generally, because it spared the attacker heavier losses, if the defender surrendered early enough the surrender was an "honorable" one and the garrison was allowed to leave for another fortress controlled by its nation. More rarely the surrendering unit would agree not to participate in warfare for up to six months. The officers generally stuck to their agreement as honor was the lifeblood of being an officer (however, once in captivity a healthy small percentage of Britsh officers did try to escape from the "officer's prison" at Verdun in spite of having given their word not to). Odds reducing a surrender like this were: a sizeable garrison, hope of relief, a determined general, or a siege between christians and muslims.

Siege rules may have changed during the "Napoleonic" era though, and I don't know if these rules still held.




barbarossa2 -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/29/2009 3:43:05 PM)

I am sending in T29 now. After this, until I report back, IronWarrior will take care of this. I will try to see if I can play where I am going though. :)




IronWarrior -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/29/2009 10:33:53 PM)

France turn 29 in.




Mus -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/30/2009 2:55:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: barbarossa2

Interestingly in a ton of reading I am doing about siege warfare in the 18th century, most garrisons (seems 90% or so) did, in fact, surrender when the walls were first compromised or breached or assaulted.


When they didnt it was an invitation for a bloodletting.

Turkish turn 29 in.

Im basically forced to automatically declare war on the entire world under the provisions of the French surrender terms... Allah willing I will prevail.

[&o]




Kingmaker -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/31/2009 4:53:36 PM)

HiHi

Russias T29 orders sent in.

All the Best
Peter




timurlain -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/31/2009 5:55:43 PM)

Prussia's orders in as well. What a defeat for the English [:(]




Matto -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/31/2009 8:37:27 PM)

I was surprised too, that it was so quick ... I think, that each turn is some small probability to surrender checked ... and how it looks, I won it




Matto -> RE: PBEM 1A (5/31/2009 8:38:34 PM)

Waiting for Austria




Matto -> RE: PBEM 1A (6/1/2009 12:11:35 PM)

Austria is missing still ..




Franck -> RE: PBEM 1A (6/1/2009 3:20:35 PM)

Sorry for delay! doing this right now!


My GF came home for the weeked (3 weeks ago she found a job 5 hours from here). So I don't see her much and, godforbid, I couldn't get close to a CPU![:-][:-]

After all ''I had 3 weeks to do just that...'' she said [X(][8|]

Sending the turn now!




Mus -> RE: PBEM 1A (6/2/2009 5:00:37 AM)

This game is becoming very psychotic. 

The better France does the lower its Glory gets.




IronWarrior -> RE: PBEM 1A (6/2/2009 5:04:29 AM)

LOL true. I went from -120 GP's per turn to -200. I wonder if the game ends if someone hits -1000 GP's. [:D]

(France and "interim" Sweden turns both in)




Mus -> RE: PBEM 1A (6/2/2009 5:07:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronWarrior

LOL true. I went from -120 GP's per turn to -200. I wonder if the game ends if someone hits -1000 GP's. [:D]

(France and "interim" Sweden turns both in)



I guess everyone I declared war on sent me a ceasefire arrangement.

So that will be what 40xhowever many countries france is at war with every turn for my failure to obey the surrender terms.

Cant wait for that fix... lol.




Matto -> RE: PBEM 1A (6/4/2009 9:27:33 AM)

Waiting for Austria and Russia




Kingmaker -> RE: PBEM 1A (6/4/2009 10:34:30 AM)

HiHi

Russias T30 orders sent in.

All the Best
Peter




timurlain -> RE: PBEM 1A (6/4/2009 7:49:58 PM)

Hello,
Prussian turn 31 in. French aren't letting me much to tinker with. Hergot !




Kingmaker -> RE: PBEM 1A (6/4/2009 9:24:17 PM)

HiHi

Russias T31 orders sent in.

All the Best
Peter




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