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Nikademus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:26:21 PM)
Baldy(tm) that means "folically challenged", Spamboy.

Terminus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:27:49 PM)
Horisontally Challenged(tm) That means "fat", Tubbsy...[:'(]

anarchyintheuk -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:28:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus Definitely not the 24th. Unfortunately for their proud tradition, it was. http://www.ritesofpassage.org/mil_korea.htm

Nikademus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:29:19 PM)
Chrismacally deficient(tm) that means....."Butt ugly" chuckles.

Terminus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:29:53 PM)
24th REGIMENT, not 24th Division.

Terminus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:31:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nikademus Chrismacally deficient(tm) that means....."Butt ugly" chuckles. Dyslexic(tm) That means "learn to spell $10-words before using them", nincompoop...[:'(]

anarchyintheuk -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:33:59 PM)
Sorry, wasn't clear. Saying ___ Inf. always refers to the regiment. ___ Inf. Div. or ID would mean a division.

Nikademus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:35:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Nikademus Chrismacally deficient(tm) that means....."Butt ugly" chuckles. Dyslexic(tm) That means "learn to spell $10 dollar-words before using them", nincompoop...[:'(] EH!!!! Dont be makin fun of my Diabetes!!!!!

Terminus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:38:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk Sorry, wasn't clear. Saying ___ Inf. always refers to the regiment. ___ Inf. Div. or ID would mean a division. Ah, I carried bobo's "last of the colored divisions" comment forward. No biggie.

Terminus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:39:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nikademus quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Nikademus Chrismacally deficient(tm) that means....."Butt ugly" chuckles. Dyslexic(tm) That means "learn to spell $10 dollar-words before using them", nincompoop...[:'(] EH!!!! Dont be makin fun of my Diabetes!!!!! That's not what I'm making fun of, Lard-butt.

Nikademus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:44:38 PM)
said the darkly shaded pot to the darkly shaded kettle. watch some more SouthPark.

Terminus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:48:18 PM)
No. Pffft to you and good night!

JWE -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 10:52:19 PM)
Not funny. Please take it elsewhere.

Terminus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/22/2009 11:28:21 PM)
You're right, John... Sorry, but it's been a bad week, and I got carried away.

JWE -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 12:41:20 AM)
Bad week all around. Understand. Thanks T.

mikemike -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 1:37:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK quote: ORIGINAL: mikemike This sounds suspiciously like the Port Chicago disaster - black personnel loading ammunition without proper training and using unsafe procedures under pressure from their officers. A nice racist remark!!! ANY COLOURED personnel loading ammunition without proper training and using unsafe procedures under pressure from their officers would likely suffer the same result!! If my remark was felt to be racist, I'd like to apologize for not making my meaning clear enough - no slur on black servicemen was intended. What I wanted to say is that these two incidents seem to show a certain mindset in the USN at the time. Apparently black servicemen were regarded as expendable if they were used for such a high-risk occupation as ammo handling without proper training and additionally were pressured to use unsafe practices by their white officers. To use soldiers trained for chemical decontamination (which I think needed specialized and probably expensive training) to hump shells is a blatant misassignment of personnel. It would be tolerable in an emergency, but PH in 1944 should have had lots of personnel better suited for this job. Black servicemen seem to have been regarded as mere field hands regardless of what their official job description was; one is reminded of the way the Japanese treated the Koreans. Even if one disregards the obvious racist aspects, the PH event should have acted as a wakeup call to revise ammo handling practices; that Port Chicago happened just two months later shows a degree of insouciance I wouldn't have expected from the USN (you know the saying: once is bad luck, twice is carelessness, three times is intent); that the PC survivors were ordered back on the job without any changes in working practices demonstrates a remarkable callousness on the part of the chain-of-command. One wonders how many similar situations did not develop into disaster by sheer luck. JeffK, I was of the impression that, at this point of time, Americans with major ethnical roots in Africa south of the Sahara regard "black" as more PC than "coloured", which is imprecise, anyway, for "white" people are also coloured, viz: pink. (Peter Ustinov, on entering the USA, once wrote "Pink" in the "Color" entry of his Immigration interrogation form which caused him no end of trouble.) Perhaps you are better informed.

bobogoboom -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 3:13:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk Sorry, wasn't clear. Saying ___ Inf. always refers to the regiment. ___ Inf. Div. or ID would mean a division. Ah, I carried bobo's "last of the colored divisions" comment forward. No biggie. you trusted bobo how dumb of you.

Terminus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 8:11:50 AM)
Didn't trust you, I just wasn't paying attention.

RevRick -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 2:26:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mikemike quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK quote: ORIGINAL: mikemike This sounds suspiciously like the Port Chicago disaster - black personnel loading ammunition without proper training and using unsafe procedures under pressure from their officers. A nice racist remark!!! ANY COLOURED personnel loading ammunition without proper training and using unsafe procedures under pressure from their officers would likely suffer the same result!! If my remark was felt to be racist, I'd like to apologize for not making my meaning clear enough - no slur on black servicemen was intended. What I wanted to say is that these two incidents seem to show a certain mindset in the USN at the time. Apparently black servicemen were regarded as expendable if they were used for such a high-risk occupation as ammo handling without proper training and additionally were pressured to use unsafe practices by their white officers. To use soldiers trained for chemical decontamination (which I think needed specialized and probably expensive training) to hump shells is a blatant misassignment of personnel. It would be tolerable in an emergency, but PH in 1944 should have had lots of personnel better suited for this job. Black servicemen seem to have been regarded as mere field hands regardless of what their official job description was; one is reminded of the way the Japanese treated the Koreans. Even if one disregards the obvious racist aspects, the PH event should have acted as a wakeup call to revise ammo handling practices; that Port Chicago happened just two months later shows a degree of insouciance I wouldn't have expected from the USN (you know the saying: once is bad luck, twice is carelessness, three times is intent); that the PC survivors were ordered back on the job without any changes in working practices demonstrates a remarkable callousness on the part of the chain-of-command. One wonders how many similar situations did not develop into disaster by sheer luck. JeffK, I was of the impression that, at this point of time, Americans with major ethnical roots in Africa south of the Sahara regard "black" as more PC than "coloured", which is imprecise, anyway, for "white" people are also coloured, viz: pink. (Peter Ustinov, on entering the USA, once wrote "Pink" in the "Color" entry of his Immigration interrogation form which caused him no end of trouble.) Perhaps you are better informed. I concur. This fits almost exactly with the data I uncovered in about two months of online, and offline searching into over 90 documents addressing just this historical set of facts.

Terminus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 3:56:28 PM)
BTW, as far as I'm aware, "black" is how the black community in America refers to themselves these days, while "colored" is very much a word of the past. Before the war, it was "negro". Things move on. As long as nobody starts using the very ugly six-letter word beginning with "n" and ending with "r", then screaming about racism sounds very hollow. "Racism" itself is another very ugly word that's used far too much.

Nikademus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 4:49:04 PM)
I didn't see your remark as racist MM. Don't sweat it.

AW1Steve -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 4:58:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus BTW, as far as I'm aware, "black" is how the black community in America refers to themselves these days, while "colored" is very much a word of the past. Before the war, it was "negro". Things move on. As long as nobody starts using the very ugly six-letter word beginning with "n" and ending with "r", then screaming about racism sounds very hollow. "Racism" itself is another very ugly word that's used far too much. Which is a total reversal....in the 1940's through 70's "Black" , was not a nice thing to say. MLK always used the word "negro". Recent usage in the USA is "African-American". I would imagine in ten years or less, based upon history, that term will become "politically uncorrect" and something else will replace it. Please keep in mind that the most active ,and largest political advocacy group , is and always has been The National association for the Advancement of colored people". If they don't consider the word "racists" , should we? [&:]

Anthropoid -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 5:52:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AW1Steve . . . . Please keep in mind that the most active ,and largest political advocacy group , is and always has been The National association for the Advancement of colored people". . . . I'd be interested to know what your criterion for "largest" is, and on what empirical basis you're making such claims. The _is_ part I wouldn't necessarily disagree with, though I'd still be curious to know the specific underlying proof of such a claim. The "always has been" simply is not true. Obviously the NAACP did not exist prior to Emancipation! [;)] I have no idea of the details, but I wouldn't be surpirsed if the Free Masons or maybe the NRA were the "largest political advocacy group" for the longest period in American history.

AW1Steve -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 5:58:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anthropoid quote: ORIGINAL: AW1Steve . . . . Please keep in mind that the most active ,and largest political advocacy group , is and always has been The National association for the Advancement of colored people". . . . I'd be interested to know what your criterion for "largest" is, and on what empirical basis you're making such claims. The _is_ part I wouldn't necessarily disagree with, though I'd still be curious to know the specific underlying proof of such a claim. The "always has been" simply is not true. Obviously the NAACP did not exist prior to Emancipation! [;)] I have no idea of the details, but I wouldn't be surpirsed if the Free Masons or maybe the NRA were the "largest political advocacy group" for the longest period in American history. As a member of both groups , I can state unequivoqly that neither was set up to be "political advocacy groups". The latter has metomorphised into one in the 1970's , the former never was , nor probably will ever anything other than a social group. Perhaps a better description of the NAACP might include the caviate "of it's type". Other wise in a fit of hair splitting , you or someone else will no doubt point out that the title of largest political advocacy group, belongs to the Chinese communist party or such. [:D] And for what it's worth , the NAACP was founded in 1909.

Anthropoid -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 6:07:01 PM)
Ah, a fellow NRA member! [:D] I dunno, maybe these days NAACP _is_ the "largest" (most number of members? largest budget? most widely known? 'largest" could mean a lot of things . . .) "political advocacy group" in the U.S. Do you know for certain? If you simply suspect it is, sure, no problem just say so. Come to think of it though, "political advocacy group" could mean a lot of things too, including the lobbyists for the pharmaceuticals, PETA, or the unions.

JWE -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 6:07:29 PM)
Skating over some very thin ice, into the realm of political discourse, here. People are just talking, using short words for short responses. A �take� don�t require a dissertation. Should be a forum about the War in the Pacific game, and the thread is about (correct me if I get it wrong) the contributions (and tribulations) of our more deeply tanned brethren in the Pacific Theater. Btw, seen nothing offensive by nobody, yet.

AW1Steve -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 6:14:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anthropoid Ah, a fellow NRA member! [:D] I dunno, maybe these days NAACP _is_ the "largest" (most number of members? largest budget? most widely known? 'largest" could mean a lot of things . . .) "political advocacy group" in the U.S. Do you know for certain? If you simply suspect it is, sure, no problem just say so. Come to think of it though, "political advocacy group" could mean a lot of things too, including the lobbyists for the pharmaceuticals, PETA, or the unions. Like most things , words can be useless unless used carefully! A hammer can be a usefull tool or weapon, a paper weight, or an impediment to trip over. I'll leave the verbal hairsplitting to lawyers and other varmits (in my family , it's my wife...we have a policy of one lawyer or poet per family. ).[:D] The bigges problem I have with the forums is most people write as they speak...off the cuff. If we analyzed everything we said, weighted and quatified each phrase, well , besides the forums being a very boring place (belonging in the Congressional record, or a phone book) it would probably be a very empty place. (It'd be no fun you see....correct spelling, gramar, pronouceiation and diction...Shudder...it's like being back in the 3rd grade again. Besides, we'd lose people Like Bobo and others who have no idea that their keyboards have shift keys. [:D]

AW1Steve -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 6:16:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JWE Skating over some very thin ice, into the realm of political discourse, here. People are just talking, using short words for short responses. A �take� don�t require a dissertation. Should be a forum about the War in the Pacific game, and the thread is about (correct me if I get it wrong) the contributions (and tribulations) of our more deeply tanned brethren in the Pacific Theater. Btw, seen nothing offensive by nobody, yet. Ditto....what he said. I need to withdraw my long discourse, JWE said it much more clearly and eloquently. [&o]

Terminus -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 7:30:47 PM)
Yeah... That's the problem with the Internet forum as a communication tool. It makes people say things that would run the risk of grievous bodily harm in the real world.

thegreatwent -> RE: Navy commemorating 1944 Pearl Harbor disaster (5/23/2009 8:09:02 PM)
Yep, like road rage people feel free to be jerks.

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