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aztez -> RE: February 1942 begins... (9/18/2009 4:29:44 PM)
cfulbright: No, he building up bridges for the empire if he even survived! Actually haven't rescued any changed leaders since that would mean I would basically pay double PP amount for one commander. Most of the aces died defending Luzon and few were disbanded into pools. medicff: Agreed. These guys are definately the best assets ABDA forces have in the game. Intresting. That would make them to be useful later on.I need to think this through since these guys might be worth the PP penalty I recieve. At least for few more weeks than again need to check the situation turn by turn, I would like them to do 1 or 2 big battles. After they are gone I don't have much left in terms of airpower. Too bad there are no options to buy them out of withdrawing using PP's. Well, that is what the allies get. Nothing above historical levels with no chance of flexibility. Dave propably has checked these dates since he did not launch any airstrikes againts Java. Too bad that those withdrawal dates are hard coded. I think he will start advancing into Java after the march 15th. Learning experince indeed! It is fun and frustrating the same time. If everything goes badly we might not have china for too long. One thing I hate and I think the developers really made bad judgement calls is the supply production! I don't mind low supply feeds but this should be totally OFF the map stuff. Yeah, dutch are diffrent and the forts build up very slowly. Changing leaders will make an diffrence so who knows whether we can actually pull off some suprised yet. Xxard: I don't have the turn open but the exp. is low. I think they were around 40's. Nope. These guys have hit several transports. The key is to move them around and hit ships that don't have high CAP numbers. If you manage to launch and somewhat co-ordinated strike +20 ac's than you should see good results. That is my experience though. Smeulders: Good move! I was thinking about moving them into Fiji's but I think I made the correct move by placing them with ABDA frontline bases. Sardaukar: Well, I might sing that when I do the next turn! Those words are kind of captures the "spirit" so far in this PBEM. [:D] vlcz: Welcome to the thread. I would love to train them more but the situation is getting worse and I think the training days are soon to be numbered. There is the issue with PP cost too to be decieded. I think the divebombers are the only useful aircraft againts enemy naval vessels for allies. I did personally spent PP's to reactive those that were toasted in the beginning of this war. Most of them are now either on their designated areas or enroute to frontline duty.

aztez -> March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/18/2009 4:31:01 PM)
Pacific (march 1st and 2nd 1942) Last turn did not ignite any major battles nor landings. Don't get me wrong here. It had a lot of developments around the map but I would say that these were preparations for bigger things to come. In china Dave is advancing steadily and made few paratrooper assaults. I hate those Kwantung army bombers (I guess they must be from this region) since he has so much of them flying that I really have nothing to put up againts them, I noticed that AVG will be withdrawn soon and I'am left basically without any decent airforce. This kind of "sucks" since he has propably +200 bombers flying base / ground assaults. This figure does not include the fighter escorts. I hate this to be honest. In the south he continued to seize smaller atoll bases. I think he wants to capture them all since kind of provides him with mutually supporting airbases. We all know that the japanese production can really "produce" once it gets ongoing. Allied signit indicated that at least 1 division and 1 brigade is moving towards Truk. Here is the overview map and you can check the turns actions plus can see how far he has expanded so far. [image]local://upfiles/15617/57E0B7DDAD1F49AA9E828003E85987AC.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/18/2009 4:32:15 PM)
Submarine warfare plans/options (early 1942) As promised I did lay out the plans for this army sector. Instead of using a lot of words the overview map kind of speaks volumes. Pointer dots = Possible submarine bases. Green arrows = Possible directions for the submarines. The bases are the following: Colombo, Perth, Darwin, Brisbane, Auckland, Tahiti, Christmas Island, Pearl Harbour, Midway and Anchorage. Allied signit has already indicated that he has troops preparing for northern Oz and especially Darwin seems to be targeted.by some ground units. I think this operation will be done before the summer of 1942. If you look at the map the city is very useful for submarine warfare. If lost than the distances grow up and basically leaves just Perth and Colombo from where allied side can operate effectively againts Java, Borneo and Celebes area. Another good location for this is Midway. It is not that far off from the mainland japan. Thus it gives out shorter legs for our submarines. I do expect this base to assaulted also maybe even before of summer 1942. Darwin and Midway seem to be the best options but the same are most vulnerable and high threat areas for enemy amphibitous assaults. The rest of the bases are in the second category. It seems that Colombo, Perth, Brisbane and Pearl Harbour are the most useful. All of these bases have good size ports. Btw, If I did understand correctly you need an AD and AS ships in the smaller bases in order to operate from them? I know level 7 ports can automatically load torpedoes. As for the target areas from these bases. I highlighted them with green arrows. This is yet to be decieded but I think the bulk of the submarines will be sent 1) Borneo/Java/Sumatra areas 2) Home Islands (which is hard to isolate due to long ranges) 3) Marshalls and Truk/Rabaul/Noumea, I really would love to have more RN subs but unfortunately there are just 2 operational ones currently. I think the wise move would be to target his supply lanes. At the moment it is hard to figure out where these will actually be. He might be using chinese coastline due the shallow waters. As suggested I have started to upgrade captains using the sensible guidelines that Sardaukar laid out. It might take an while since most of the submarines are at sea and I'am not going withdraw them yet. Once they enter harbour for refuel their captains will be looked. Last turn alone I changed 4 of them. Adding the patrol in this to days seems to be good option. It seems to consume less fuel and make them more "aggressive". That is the basic plan what the allied HQ came up with. [image]local://upfiles/15617/01F776211B544285B32C8163C06C3CEC.jpg[/image]

treespider -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/18/2009 5:35:26 PM)
In China - have you tried using the Chinese fighters on ground attack? They won't do much damage but may slow down his advances... Although if he brought in much of the Kwantung Army then there really is no hope for you here.

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/18/2009 7:06:02 PM)
treespider: Yeah, I did try and zeros eat them for breakfast. I have bomber squadrons refitting at Chungking but without proper escorts they don't amount to much. I'am moving troops into the area but the movement is agonizingly slow since there are no railroads. Actually considering launching offensives through Ichang and through central china towards Hankow. The problem is supply levels which are not that great. I could also move some RAF bombers into area but these missions eat supplies too and yes the fighters is what I do need. There are some Hurricanes in India but pretty much they are needed there in order to provide CAP on key areas. At least you were quite blunt! [:D] ...and this time I hope that my stubborn mentality will give the allied some hope.

Q-Ball -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/18/2009 7:49:07 PM)
There was no HR about Kwantung? Or other land forces? Until borders are implemented, this is the ONLY house rule in my PBEM. You have to "buy" Kwantung units, Manchukuo units stay in Manchukuo, RTA units have alot of restrictions that limits them to Thailand and the Shan States, and there are Allied limits on use of Chinese Forces in SE Asia

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/18/2009 8:19:13 PM)
Q-Ball: We do have an houserule regarding Kwantung Army units. (Same goes for chinese armies) Basically we do need to spent PP in order to move anything in or out of china/manchuko. I was refering to his air units. These guys must come from there since he could not have that much muscle otherwise. I don't know how much he has released in terms of ground units. Allthough Dave stated in the war room thread that some armoured units were moved into china. The houserules we have in place in this theatre are: * No resource bombings by either side in china. * PP must be spent in order to move any type of unit in and out of china/manchuko. * No shock assaults by ground units. (This was implemented during the PBEM) This will also prevent me using any shock assaults if the russians do become active. Other than that well game on. As I have said Dave is just one hell of an opponent. I'am in no way implying he has broken any rules or such. Nope. We have good communication (as we did in our earlier game) so definately mutual respect here.

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/18/2009 8:38:43 PM)
FYI .. you need AS to rearm subs (any base size will do) but AS needs on board supply so you will periodically have to create a TF with the AS and re load supply from the base. will re supply if disbanded in port or in a support/replenish TF at the base. AD Destroyer tender. won't re arm subs afaik. only torps on DD's and possibly Crusisers (japan) as for the banshees and P40s Dave would be wise to wait till after the 15th for any java attack. But as you say it may be worth hanging onto those groups for a couple of weeks just to suprise him. maybe merge any damaged units to cut down on the PP cost. Without those P40's he'll close soerbaja and batavia but if you leave small BF's scattered about java there are a lot of lvl2+ airfields to operate the dive bombers from. beware para drops there too , but im not sure there is much you can do to stop them. At least the rail in java allows a v fast counterattack/build up as opposed to glacier warfare in china [:D] I've been reading about AE production quite a bit and the consensus seems to be that its no longer possible for japan to have the massive air industry that was possible in WITP without seriously hurting his naval production. and now that japan no longer has 100's of spare merchants he cant afford to cut production imo. So even if he does build up his A/C factories he wont have enough AK's and TK's hauling resources back to feed them fast enough. seems like allied subs will play a much more important role in AE than in WITP (and as in real life too) yet another major service and no longer the naval scout and mini transports they were used for in WITP.

Sardaukar -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/18/2009 8:48:48 PM)
I have found it painful, even against AI sometimes, to keep Darwin suitable supplied, if IJ builds up Timor bases and brings in Betties plus Air HQ.

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 7:49:01 AM)
Rob: It is almost the same than as it was with witp. I don't know where that AD came into the last posting. I guess was thinking about the lack of destroyers available! Those P40E's were in action last turn and didn't fair that well againts high alltitude zero sweeps. I need figure out how to get these more costly to him. Definately not enough troops to properly guard againts paratroopers. Than again those guys will be killed once they enter the hex. I'am keeping around 100av worth of troops mobile in case he deciedes to any such operations. Should be more than adequate amount for these kind of counterstrikes. Those brave chinese are about launch an counterstrike so fingers crossed we disable few enemy units there! I have read few of those debates too. Personally I'am not convinced just as yet. The allied aircraft production/replacements were altered heavily in AE too. There propably is lack of exp pilots at least from the start but with the wastelands of china free for practise runs this might alter a lot. If you look at the chinese airforce and what could be sent there without dangering operations elsewhere. Well, it is not much. Appreciated the comments as always. Sardaukar: My thoughts exactly. I think this is one reason why has kept pushing towards Timor for weeks now. I haven't seen many Betty raids lately now that you mentioned it. Dave has been too busy bombing the crap out of chinese ground units.

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 7:50:10 AM)
Soerabaja (march 4th and 5th 1942) We discussed those ABDA P40E's and these guys were in action. Unfortunately they were up againts well trained zero fighters and really could not do the damage I had hoped for. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 27 Allied aircraft B-339D x 10 CW-21B Demon x 10 75A-7 Hawk x 7 Hurricane IIb Trop x 2 P-40E Warhawk x 49 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-339D: 1 destroyed CW-21B Demon: 3 destroyed 75A-7 Hawk: 2 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 10 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 24000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 16 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 16 Allied aircraft B-339D x 5 CW-21B Demon x 7 75A-7 Hawk x 2 Hurricane IIb Trop x 2 P-40E Warhawk x 20 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-339D: 1 destroyed CW-21B Demon: 1 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 24000 feet There were couple more raids such as the above ones,. We shot down +10 zero's while our losses were +30 aircraft. The odds were 1:3 in this encounter. I have been unable to found any good recipe againts those high alltitude zero sweeps. He has done this againts AVG too. The allied CAP was set between 18 000 - 20 000 feet in that battle. [image]local://upfiles/15617/70038148248D4151BE1BFC3B32C9FC63.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 7:50:58 AM)
China (march 4th and 5th 1942) The ground battles continue in nothern china. Orange arrows = chinese movement Red arrows = japanese movement Last turn enemy launched an assault at 85,43. This time around the chinese forces repulsed the enemy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 85,43 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 18341 troops, 104 guns, 223 vehicles, Assault Value = 616 Defending force 73284 troops, 328 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1880 Japanese adjusted assault: 138 Allied adjusted defense: 1189 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 8 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1692 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 136 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 130 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled Vehicles lost 47 (2 destroyed, 45 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1126 casualties reported Squads: 11 destroyed, 90 disabled Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 87 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled) Assaulting units: 12th Tank Regiment 3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 5th Armored Car Co 16th RGC Temp. Division 15th Ind.Mixed Brigade 1st NCPC Infantry Brigade 8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion Defending units: 61st Chinese Corps 27th Chinese Corps 9th Chinese Corps 80th Chinese Corps 38th Chinese Corps 47th Chinese Corps 96th Chinese Corps 93rd Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese/C Corps 14th Group Army 4th Chinese Base Force Jingcha War Area 1st War Area 8th Group Army 36th Group Army 10th Chinese Base Force This is not bad news at all. By looking at the adjusted av values and order has been given to counterstrike. I think we will be able to route these enemy forces and knock them out at least for a while. Dave has just left 3 units around Loyang so basically could advance but I doubt that offensive would do any good. I think the next few rounds will be quite intresting affairs. [image]local://upfiles/15617/5425C142EA994BBBBDA301C8787B08B3.jpg[/image]

krupp_88mm -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 8:41:23 AM)
I thought i would post this for you to hopefully help you with your p-40 combat.. he definitely will have advantage over you at altitude hope this proves useful i would recommend 100% dont put your cap over 7-10000 feet.. if he flies high enough you cant see him at least hes not getting accurate bombing.. if he flies lower than at least the odds will be evened to your favor [/image][image]http://www.fritzthefox.com/images/ww2guide_gfx/p40.jpg[/image]

Smeulders -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 10:33:18 AM)
Is there any way to bring in some units on the path he using to get his tanks north in China ? If they fall without supply even your weak units up north will be able to stop them / counterattack. Added bonus is that they are so far away from reinforcements that clearing any roadblock might take forever. Sardauker : It is possible to get supplies to Darwin overland, though getting fuel there is indeed a challenge. If the base is only used for a limited number of subs, then the required fuel is low though.

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 4:28:53 PM)
I think we might have had some success during the last turn. I had email waiting from Dave stating "Ouch! You definitely came out ahead this turn." No details about this just yet since I don't have turn files. Allthough it is seldom when Dave states anything like this. krupp_88mm: All the comments and ideas are greatly appreciated. Intresting. Basically you are saying I should keep the CAP at maxium of 10 000 feet? Doesn't that trigger penalties with AE since he can "jump" on our fighters? Another nice pic. Smeulders: I think it can be done but it might take sometime. The movement rates are very bad due to terrain issues. I sizeable reinforcements on their way towards northern china. If we can stop him here than we have achieved an miracle if you take all the events into consideration. Btw, any have the figures what kind of garrison duties japanese must leave behind when capturing bases? ...or is it the same as allies? I think it should be at least double since they are seizing hostile territory. Now I'am eagerly waiting for the turn after those comments.

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 7:20:10 PM)
China (march 5th and 6th 1942) The turn wasn't as good as expected. Dave propably preferred to his aircraft losses that AVG managed to inflict. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 9th Chinese Corps, at 85,43 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 8 Ki-30 Ann x 9 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 7 Allied aircraft H81-A3 x 18 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-27b Nate: 2 destroyed Ki-30 Ann: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki-48-Ib Lily: 4 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 27th Chinese Corps, at 85,43 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-48-Ib Lily x 17 Allied aircraft H81-A3 x 12 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-48-Ib Lily: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Jingcha War Area , at 85,43 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 3 Ki-27b Nate x 1 Ki-30 Ann x 11 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 13 Allied aircraft H81-A3 x 16 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed Ki-30 Ann: 6 destroyed Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged The intel screen showed some 50 enemy aircraft downed in past 2 days. However the combat replay shows only maybe 30 aircraft destroyed. Unfortunately the chinese counterstrike did not go as planned. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 85,43 Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 65790 troops, 327 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1805 Defending force 16678 troops, 104 guns, 222 vehicles, Assault Value = 504 Allied adjusted assault: 134 Japanese adjusted defense: 1081 Allied assault odds: 1 to 8 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: disruption(-), supply(-) Japanese ground losses: 583 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 59 disabled Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 87 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Vehicles lost 87 (36 destroyed, 51 disabled) Allied ground losses: 4589 casualties reported Squads: 21 destroyed, 346 disabled Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 158 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled Assaulting units: 9th Chinese Corps 47th Chinese Corps 38th Chinese Corps 96th Chinese Corps 27th Chinese Corps 80th Chinese Corps 61st Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 93rd Chinese Corps 90th Chinese/C Corps 4th Chinese Base Force 36th Group Army 14th Group Army 8th Group Army 1st War Area Jingcha War Area 10th Chinese Base Force Defending units: 5th Armored Car Co 12th Tank Regiment 15th Ind.Mixed Brigade 16th RGC Temp. Division 3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 1st NCPC Infantry Brigade 8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion At least we killed 1/3 of his armour in this spearhead if you want to look at the bright side. The supply / distrubtion was not good so our av values really took an hit. I think the casualty levels might have been FOW related since he had 1000av points here. Now time start moving with combat orders towards Sian. It will take a while though and I do expect so harashment by the enemy troops. As you can see from the pic 17 enemy units with 3000av have now moved closer to Sian. These units are now 40 miles south of the city. Enemy paratroopers have been active also. They have seized 3 bases in this area. I do not actually mind this since now I can destroy these annoying units completely. [image]local://upfiles/15617/35F6FBD0C6154C4897AB890C085037BB.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 8:18:39 PM)
Regarding the advice on your fighters: Your regular P-40Es are inferior at all altitudes so the assessment is correct that you need to stay below 10K. That way if he is low you stand a chance of getting in at his bombers. If his fighters are too high he might miss you, and high flying bombers are no major threat. [image]local://upfiles/6829/AB19B13F2F804B9EB1678EF155901E49.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 8:21:01 PM)
Your AVG P-40s would stand a chance above 31K but there is little likelihood of his bombers being that high. Stay low so you can intercept his bombers. [image]local://upfiles/6829/DE659A824F834AFA867913C653B0316B.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 8:26:32 PM)
It won't apply in China, but elsewhere at this point you will find the P-39D to be your best aircraft if used correctly. You need to stay below 10k, with good leaders and good pilots. [image]local://upfiles/6829/F4CAD83083C14D4280B3AE92B659D778.jpg[/image]

jwilkerson -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 9:09:34 PM)
P39s can definitely be great bomber interceptors. I lost about 40 Betty's in one turn over Port Moresby to P39s during a GuadMod test.

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 9:13:28 PM)
seydlitz: Good to see you again. Hmmm. First I need to download the new Witp Tracker for AE. It was magnificent tool in previous version. Just haven't had time to do it since "rl" has been very busy. I will that in the morning since it is getting late back here in scandinavia. I was actually catching up with your AAR today (good stuff and one of the best AAR's I have seen even with the Witp) and will post few things there since your opponent might be reading this one. There is a lot of stuff to digest and I need some freetime to go through it properly. I think those pics you posted will help even the veterans to perform better. You really can't spell any things out more clearly. Just to clarify one question though for future use. If you look at the pic ie. on post 408. The AVG aircraft details. Lets assume he is doing sweep missions between 15 000 to 25 000 feet. In order to combat these most effectively P40B's should have their CAP at +30 000 feet. Corrrect? If he is escorting his bombers than the CAP should stay below 10 000 feet? Basically two options for diffrent type of CAP missions and the same ideology would be executed with all fighter aircraft. This just shows you are never too old to learn new stuff. [:D] I'am thinking about firing up and Japanese AI game to learn the ropes there since once this is over and done with maybe it is time to jump into dark side. That is an diffrent story and this PBEM hasn't even entered summer of 1942. So, few more turns to do! jwilkerson: It is an nice aircraft! I just wonder how much more damage I could have done to his carriers had I been "awake" when he raided southern pacific. The good thing is that I bet he is coming again and I do have even more fighters deployed in key bases! [:D] Well, that ought to have hurt. I mean that is more than full squadrons lost there!

seydlitz_slith -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/19/2009 9:29:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aztez If you look at the pic ie. on post 408. The AVG aircraft details. Lets assume he is doing sweep missions between 15 000 to 25 000 feet. In order to combat these most effectively P40B's should have their CAP at +30 000 feet. Corrrect? If he is escorting his bombers than the CAP should stay below 10 000 feet? Post 408....the P-39D. Stay low. Stay around 9000 feet. You are 30 mph faster than the zero at this altitude and the difference in maneuverability is lowest. You should be about even in terms of combat except that you will have armor and enough firepower to hurt him if you hit him. I personally think that the game does not have everything right in the P-39D. This was actually the plane that the Japanese most loved to encounter in New Guinea, and the performance drop off above 14000 feet is just not drastic enough. RE the P40B....Yes. Fight at 31-32K. You might also try doing a sweep with these sometimes. Catch him sleeping at 20-30% cap and at a lower altitude and you can get in a few kills.

Wirraway_Ace -> RE: Singapore falls.. ABDA cruisers engage enemy... battles rage in China (9/20/2009 2:17:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seydlitz quote: ORIGINAL: Sardaukar In WitP my rule for selecting sub captains was like: 1. High Naval skill 2. If experienced boat crew, high aggressiveness 3. If unexperienced crew, lower aggressiveness High aggressiveness and low crew experience, big chance for sub getting damaged or sunk (hig aggressiveness commanders love to attack on surface etc.). Low naval skill, high aggressiveness and low crew exp...almost doomed sub. Seems to work in AE too. Very good rules to live by. Great advice. I usually give the less aggressive commanders two wartime patrols before changing them. This is generally consistent with actual USN policy at the time. It is practical also, allowing the fleet boats to build experience before handing them over to the likes of Mush Morton!

Wirraway_Ace -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/20/2009 2:50:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aztez Submarine warfare plans/options (early 1942) As promised I did lay out the plans for this army sector. Instead of using a lot of words the overview map kind of speaks volumes. Pointer dots = Possible submarine bases. Green arrows = Possible directions for the submarines. The bases are the following: Colombo, Perth, Darwin, Brisbane, Auckland, Tahiti, Christmas Island, Pearl Harbour, Midway and Anchorage. aztez, your forum generated the best discussions of the sub war I have yet seen. Here are my thoughts... According to Blair, USN after-action-reviews suggested that it was a mistake to split the submarine force between Freemantle (Perth), Brisbane and Pearl. They were focusing on the fleetboats primarily, but determined it was too difficult to penetrate the "Malay Barrier" (too many choke points and nearby air bases). The "Empire" patrols out of Pearl were consistently the most effective. Midway was used as a refueling stop on the way out and upon return to extend patrol times. The recommendation was the fleet submarines should have been focused on offensive (or strategic) sub warfare from the beginning as opposed to defensive patrols to defend against invasions, etc. Your map helps paint the picture. Patrols from Pearl heve direct access to the Phillipine and South China Seas where all major convoys must pass moving resources, oil, fuel, men and material to and from the perimeter. The pig boats (old S-boats) and short range Dutch and Brit boats will not have the ability to conduct strategic sub warfare in the Empire waters. Pick a port outside of enemy bomber range and put an AS there. Brisbane allows for tactical sub warfare in the Solomons which often figure prominantly in IJN drives into the South Pacific. Subs from Ceylon and Perth are going to struggle penetrating the Malay Barrier choke points, but there are no really good options. These are reasonable bases for short range boats. Darwin is very hard to keep safe in the early years of the war. Alaska is too far for the pig boats to get to any dense shipping lanes and is usually not the site of sustained combat operations. Also, IRL, the choice of sub bases in the USN was also driven by the need for recreation when the crews returned from patrol. Any commander planning on stationing USN subs at Darwin or Alaska might find his captains and crews a little unhappy at the choice... Again, thanks. A great discussion of a part of the game I have come to love.

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/20/2009 8:06:54 AM)
seydlitz: Thanks a lot. I got the idea crystal clear. To clarify I set one squadron of AVG on 32 000 feet defending againts sweeps and other 2 AVG's on 9000 feet to intercept bombers. Those P40E's at Java are now set on 9000 feet CAP since that is the optium alltitude for that aircraft. Wirraway_Ace: Thank you! Definately golden thoughts there. I'am changing my sub commanders once they arrive port for refuel. I'am seeing more interceptions now that some commanders are changed. The linger on hex is now set on between 1-2 days. Much more effective now and the fuel consumption might be a bit slower since they are not in constant move. I do like the new submarine system quite a lot. It is an vast improvement on the old witp. Intresting. I kind of have divided the submarine warfare for two types. A) convoy raiding and B) defensive/offensive missions which gives me better intel. Those thoughts are sound. I haven't had the chance to place the subs where I want at the moment since they are everywhere and its needs time to organize/setup. I'am kind of thinking through the following guidelines. Pearl Harbour/Midway = All the long legged US submarines based here. I mean those above 10 000 endurance. Brisbane/Perth/Darwin = Dutch submarines and some S-boats I think the Darwin would the most optium base for subs but it is too hazardous due to the lba threat. Also think it is going to be invaded. Ceylon = There are no better bases for RN submarines. There are few at the start but they do build up within time. Allies have level 9 port at Colombo. Alaska = Some recon/offensive submarines when I can spare them. The weather is also bad most of year so system damage will build up. No problems but thanks will need to be spread around to all the people participating here with all the discussions/views and ideas.

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/20/2009 8:07:59 AM)
China (march 7th and 8th 1942) As expected there was large scale ground offensives around Sian. The first one took place north of Loyang. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 85,43 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 22437 troops, 142 guns, 206 vehicles, Assault Value = 646 Defending force 67836 troops, 326 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1493 Japanese adjusted assault: 230 Allied adjusted defense: 1111 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 4 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2015 casualties reported Squads: 18 destroyed, 85 disabled Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 111 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Vehicles lost 28 (9 destroyed, 19 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1965 casualties reported Squads: 12 destroyed, 91 disabled Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 119 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Assaulting units: 15th Ind.Mixed Brigade 3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 12th Tank Regiment 16th RGC Temp. Division 59th Infantry Brigade 5th Armored Car Co 1st NCPC Infantry Brigade 8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion Defending units: 61st Chinese Corps 80th Chinese Corps 47th Chinese Corps 9th Chinese Corps 96th Chinese Corps 38th Chinese Corps 93rd Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 27th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese/C Corps 1st War Area 4th Chinese Base Force Jingcha War Area 8th Group Army 14th Group Army 36th Group Army 10th Chinese Base Force This was repulsed but it seems he got decent supply levels by looking at the adjusted av values and overall strenght. Remember this was the 3rd offensive here and by comparing this to the "original" one he has replaced quite a few losses here. Another big ground battle took place just south of Sian. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 84,42 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 102927 troops, 772 guns, 301 vehicles, Assault Value = 3140 Defending force 66042 troops, 362 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1689 Japanese adjusted assault: 1540 Allied adjusted defense: 1981 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 4932 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 218 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 260 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 33 disabled Vehicles lost 28 (1 destroyed, 27 disabled) Allied ground losses: 6480 casualties reported Squads: 16 destroyed, 351 disabled Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 430 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled Guns lost 11 (0 destroyed, 11 disabled) Assaulting units: 35th/B Division 6th Division 26th Engineer Regiment 37th Division 110th Division 35th/A Division 9th Armored Car Co 8th Ind.Mixed Brigade 13th Tank Regiment 41st Division 51st Recon Regiment 12th Indpt Infantry Regiment 3rd Division 35th/C Division 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment North China Area Army 1st Mortar Battalion Defending units: 8th Route Army 41st Chinese Corps 90th Chinese/B Corps 77th Chinese/C Corps 16th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese/A Corps 57th Chinese Corps 1st Chinese Corps 33rd Chinese Corps 95th Chinese/B Corps 5th War Area 1st Artillery Regiment 21st Group Army 20th Artillery Regiment 22nd Group Army 7th Group Army Red Chinese Army 34th Group Army 56th AT Gun Regiment The assaults was repulsed but the enemy losses were not high enough. There are still +3000av values here so definately his replacement system is working like a charm. AVG was not in action this turn since he opted to rest his bombers in this region. [image]local://upfiles/15617/611350961D3B4E39BAA5F8E74E12C5AD.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/20/2009 8:08:50 AM)
Pacific (march 7th and 8th 1942) Nothing significant took place elsewhere. Dave has continued cleaning up small bases in southern pacific and in philippines. There are a lot of activity reported in celebes, malaya and singapore. Basically meaning the operations againts Java are about to begin very soon. There is no sign of KB after the last assault againts Pago Pago. The carriers are either refitting at Kwaleijin/Truk or have head out towards Java. I think the first option is most likely. [image]local://upfiles/15617/DCD7175D080E4399BD543A7869FE51D7.jpg[/image]

Sardaukar -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/20/2009 8:20:59 AM)
Regarding sub bases, I think you should use S-boats from Darwin and Brisbane against DEI & New Guinea. If he observes that you have major sub forces in Darwin, he will shut down the Darwin with Port Attacks by LBA bombers and maybe bring even carrier air to play. So you'll need good amount of CAP there...and supplying Darwin is problematic. Even when using supply-adjustment arrows, it is not good enough solution unless you have massive oversupply in Oz. If he starts to attack Darwin, being the subs back to Perth and Brisbane, use the S-boats from Brisbane.

Monter_Trismegistos -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/20/2009 12:04:27 PM)
Hi, just wanted to show that I still read your AAR. Thanks for well written AAR. Just curious. How do you use your navy? How many ships you keep in Indian Ocean - have you transferred some ships from there? Where are your CVs, BBs, CAs and CLs? Basically Iwould like totals for theater: Indian Ocean, DEI, Solomons, Hawaii, in refit or in the rears.

Swenslim -> RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward... (9/20/2009 1:33:36 PM)
Honestly I start to think that Allied side can loose the war. The lost of two carriers such early in the game was major plus to IJN. If japan player will build it up strong submarine and airfield bases at Noumea and Fiiji then Australia is out of war. After he will occupy Sian, Lanchow and Urumchi, in 1-2 month until�China twill be out of war, he even dont need to capture Chungking and other inner cities.

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