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jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/25/2010 9:42:18 AM)

Here are the pilot aces, note the number of NORPAC aces :)

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jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/25/2010 9:47:46 PM)

We have now upgraded from 1080 to patch 2 and we are testing a new release.

Lots of changes to get our heads around, displaying search arcs is great!

The new pilot management will take a bit to sort out, no rush though as our pilots are in pretty good shape.

As it is the end of the month, and we are yet to get the orders turn, I will do a round up as of 30 Jun (even though combat wise we are at 1 Jul). In part as I'm still in hospital and bored :)




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/25/2010 9:57:16 PM)

30 Jun Burma

We are moving forward on 3 Axis, each of around 800AV.

On the left we will advance to Lashio then dig in.

In the centre we are halted at Katha waiting to build the airfield then some forts, before moving on Shwebo ehere we will try to dig in

On the right we have a screen forward and will eventually move combat forces out ok Akyab (there are 900 there now, with about 300AV arriving soon).

We need more engineers, getting troops over the mountains takes a long time. Supply is good though.

Our squadrons are at full strength and we have reserve squadrons (3 P40-E 2 Hurricane, some 2 E understrength) at Calcutta. But apart from US fighters (50 P40 and about 60 P39/P400) we have no reserves.

We have parity on the ground and in the air in Burma, but no ability to attack against stout resistance.

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jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/25/2010 10:13:42 PM)

30 Jun 1942 Sumatra

Yes we still hold the northern half of Sumatra!

It is tempting at times to land forces here... but as you can see there are a number of lvl 4 aflds around that would make it really hard to do. It would expose us too much at the moment

Note Georgetown which appears to be the main point of embarkation for forces to Burma



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jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/25/2010 10:42:53 PM)

30 Jun 1942 DEI

As you can see recon from Darwin is covering the area fairly well.

Note the dotted track which appears to be the shipping route from Kendari to Koepang.

Koepang east is covered by PBY operating from Broome.

At Darwin we have:

25 P-39 (Katherine has another 25 with P-40's at Broome)
20 PBY
17 SBD-3
12 Beufort
12 Hudson III
21 B-26

900 AV behind 6 forts (Brit x 1.5 Div, Aussies, Dutch). About 500AV is deployable and is preping for several bases.

2 PT boat Sqns, 4 xAKL and 2 escorts.

Lvl 6 port plus 250 Naval support (mostly from Cavite USN pulled out of the Philippines).

Darwin is capable of supporting most offensive operations.


At some stage we will advance on Timor, probably late 42 early 43.

Mainly holding here, acting as a threat, preparing to support the Aru/Ambon axis.






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jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/25/2010 11:43:29 PM)

30 Jun NW PNG

Merauke is the key location. Having all the remaining restricted Dutch patrol Sqns here is very useful, but I have basically no replacements (9 Dutch PBY, 6 Dorniers are based here).

As you can see there are a few ground units :) Total AV is 140 behind level 3.7 forts. A number of Dutch units are based here (3 BF and a Cst Gun Bn), plus 2 US BF and the Cagayan USAAF BF. Topped up with some Aussie light infantry and engineers.

I plan to move more Dutch units from Darwin here.


Horn Island has the HQ SWPAC. Fron Horn it influences Merauke and PM and will cover all the way to Lae. There are 2 US BF and and assortment of Aussie coy/bn elements with a total AV of about 100. Fighters stage through here to rest from PM and Merauke, as well as transiting to/from Darwin as required.


Hollianda is lightly supressed at the moment. It looks like the enemy have give up.They should have moved in 2 fighter units and it would have been a bit different... They coukd still landa mass of engineers, but I doubt they will as they look to be preparing their defences a bit deeper.



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jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/26/2010 12:17:39 AM)

30 Jun 1942 PNG

PM is our main base in the area. It has 600 AV behind 5 forts so is secure.

I'm slowly building up Wau against stiff Japanese opposition in the air. I suspect the later will cease soon as I'm starting to hurt them with the Kittyhawks and F4F4 from PM.

They hold Lae and Buna lightly.

The Aussie 3 Army Tk Bde ( just light infantry really) is advancing overland to secure Buna.

They had started to develop the Shortlands, but it looks like the have pulled back and are focusing on Kavieng (which recently made lvl 3 afld). 1 Daitai of Betty, 1 Nell and at least 1 Zero operate from Rabaul (there are probably 2 Zero). Those forces have been bombing Wau, and are slowly being attrited.

We aren't really on the offensive here, just closing up on the enemy :)


Townsville is our main support base for this area. It is 5 Port, 7 Afld, 4 forts with 180 Naval Support. There is about 700 AV, of which 400 is deployable (8th and 9th Marines prepping for Aru/Ambon). The 25th Inf Div (Ambon Prep) is on its way from Sydney with 1 Amphib Corps and support units (Armour, Arty).

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jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/26/2010 12:49:28 AM)

30 Jun 1942 SOPAC

Fiji is the focus, Noumea is undefended, although I will move in a BF soon to support aircraft transfers. Our search aircraft from Suva have largely done a great job of keeping the Japanese SS away.

Forces are "dumped" into Suva and are then sent forward to Luganville as required.

The 13th AF units (P40 and P39) that had been helping defend Oz are now moving to the SOPAC.

Efate is being built as a transfer point for fighters from Fiji to Luganville.

Luganville is now a major front line base and will be further developed. Eventually forces from here will clear the Solomons Islands chain.

We are still short fighters, and have liitle iun the way of strike aircraft, although 2 units of B-26B are due "soon".



These bases protect our deep convoys that tend to run near Tahiti then via Wellington in NZ ( this costs time BUT we haven't lost ships to SS or the KB raid). Wellington is our fuel stop for Oz bound convoys (sometimes they go direct about 15 hex sth of Fiji if urgent and the risk is low).

Supply for SOPAC comes either direct or via Auckland from Wellington.

Fuel is the real issue. I've put about 150,000 into NZ, and am about to drop 40,000 at Suva, But OZ needs lots for the forthcoming operations.



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jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/26/2010 1:06:00 AM)

I will leave it there as Centpac is largely picket forces, with everything concentrated at PH.

NORPAC is being reported frequently.

Impressions so far as an Allied player

Concentrate but be prepared to loose anything.

Once you have about 300-400AV and lvl 4 forts you are secure against anything but a major attack. So don't have several small bases with 100 AV, have one large one with 300.

Be where the Japanese aren't, hit and run. The Japanese player can generate overwheliming force, but they can't do that everywhere all at once.

Your biggest limitation is aircraft replacements, in particular for medium bombers. Don't waste them, and don't penny packet (unless you are raiding).

USAAF fighter Sqns and the Oz Kittyhawk Sqn have the best replacements. USN are a real problem, in patictular as you need to fill out the CV units. Upgrade to F4F4 carefully, fly the others as long as you can.

Pull lots of pilots into the squadrons and train... hard. If you are lucky the Japnese will give you some opportunity to train. Again the fewer places you are defending the better you can do this.

Recon aircraft are priceless and really improve bombing results.

Fuel is a major issue if you want to conduct ops out of OZ. Ship it there from the Indian ocean as well as the West coast.

Overall I feel we are Parity in Burma and have done better than historical, although we did this with the 2 Aussie Divs. But we don't have the force to attack, as long as the Japanese keep decent numbers of troops here.

The SWPAC is an opportunity for s, but we will soon run ito the main line of resistance, then things will slow down.

SOPAC and CENTPAC offer little for uss until with have CV superiority.

NORPAC has gone well, but we still could loose.


Overall I'm very happy with what we have done, but we won't be rushing forward soon.

Cheers

Rob




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/26/2010 1:42:01 AM)

Reviwing Adak...

The invasion occured on 27 Apr. At that point we had about 56k in supply

As at 30 Jun we have 41k.

We can therefore expect the forces to last at least another month before they need to resupply (depnding on our and the enemy's bombardments) and possibly 2 months.

I could move a trickle via air transport... at the moment I'm focussing on moving the 7th Marines from Dutch to Adak (about 20% moved so far) but maybe I should change to ensure the supply lasts...

I've been moving lots of supply to Dutch Harbour and Kodiak.

I have one transport sub that can move 130 supply as well. It is currently moving fuel to enable PT boat raids...

Cheers

Rob





castor troy -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/26/2010 8:06:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jrcar

30 Jun Burma

We are moving forward on 3 Axis, each of around 800AV.

On the left we will advance to Lashio then dig in.

In the centre we are halted at Katha waiting to build the airfield then some forts, before moving on Shwebo ehere we will try to dig in

On the right we have a screen forward and will eventually move combat forces out ok Akyab (there are 900 there now, with about 300AV arriving soon).

We need more engineers, getting troops over the mountains takes a long time. Supply is good though.

Our squadrons are at full strength and we have reserve squadrons (3 P40-E 2 Hurricane, some 2 E understrength) at Calcutta. But apart from US fighters (50 P40 and about 60 P39/P400) we have no reserves.

We have parity on the ground and in the air in Burma, but no ability to attack against stout resistance.

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what´s the reason behind doing naval search over land?




castor troy -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/26/2010 8:12:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jrcar



Fuel is the real issue. I've put about 150,000 into NZ, and am about to drop 40,000 at Suva, But OZ needs lots for the forthcoming operations.





keep in mind that Australia´s industry uses over 60.000 fuel each month, means a 120.000 tanker capacity each month if you haul it in from the WC.




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/26/2010 8:59:06 AM)

Good Question, ask Tony :)

I think it is a mistake (and the benefit of the visual display of the search arcs is you can see it), but maybe he is looking into the Thai gulf...

I think it is sheer incompetance![:D]




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/26/2010 9:02:03 AM)

I hadn't looked into exactly how much, but certainly Oz needs fuel (IRL the Brits stopped sending tankers to Austrlia and we had to rely totally on the west coast).

It is good to know that is the figure, I need to send more!

Cheers
Rob


quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy


quote:

ORIGINAL: jrcar



Fuel is the real issue. I've put about 150,000 into NZ, and am about to drop 40,000 at Suva, But OZ needs lots for the forthcoming operations.





keep in mind that Australia´s industry uses over 60.000 fuel each month, means a 120.000 tanker capacity each month if you haul it in from the WC.





castor troy -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/26/2010 9:50:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jrcar

I hadn't looked into exactly how much, but certainly Oz needs fuel (IRL the Brits stopped sending tankers to Austrlia and we had to rely totally on the west coast).

It is good to know that is the figure, I need to send more!

Cheers
Rob


quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy


quote:

ORIGINAL: jrcar



Fuel is the real issue. I've put about 150,000 into NZ, and am about to drop 40,000 at Suva, But OZ needs lots for the forthcoming operations.





keep in mind that Australia´s industry uses over 60.000 fuel each month, means a 120.000 tanker capacity each month if you haul it in from the WC.





I have to point it our more precisely, Australia´s industry needs more than 60.000 additional fuel each month to what it´s producing itselve.




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/26/2010 9:04:23 PM)

Thanks, understood, and I appreciate the info! We have been pumping as much fuel as we can to Oz with about 200 000 about to arrive (and about 200 000 delivered in the last 3 weeks).

Now NZ has good stocks future convoys will focus on Australia.

Supply in OZ is good, but am also bringing that in as well.

Cheers
Rob




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/27/2010 8:41:05 AM)

We we have the turn , now this is what I call attrition!

Most was over Adak against the CAP. I havejust moved 16 Canadian Kittyhawk in as well so aircraft totals are now:

24 P-40e (8 damaged)
15 P-400 (2 damaged)
25 P-39d (5 damaged)
16 Kittyhawk (Canadian)
10 Hurricane II (Candian) (1 damaged)

Total 90 Fighters at different altitudes from 13000-29000 feet (P-39/400 are lower).

The Hurricanes will be rested next turn, and I have 25 more P-39 in transit.

Thuderstorms are preditced.




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jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/27/2010 8:50:52 AM)

On the ground at Adak key losses from last turn are:

5 of 24 CD guns disabled in the 57th CD disruption is 67 fatigue is 4

Loss/disblement of support squads, plus the increase in AV from 7th Marines, but no support being flown in has us in negative support. Total 904 (968 needed)

Naval support disabled now down to 104.

AV now 446.
Forts 3.74 ( 3-5 days from reaching level 4)
Supply 39000 (i.e. dropped 2k!)

So in pretty good shape!

Cheers

Rob




CaptBeefheart -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/27/2010 11:19:43 AM)

Rob: Thanks for all the feedback and I assume you are recovering well in hospital. It looks like your Kurile adventures caused them to over commit in the Aleutians. Nicely done. Good luck to you guys, but yes, it may be a tough slog to Tokyo with their conservative style of play.

Cheers,
CC




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/27/2010 10:39:42 PM)

Ok Turn submitted, should get combat results in an hour or so.

Burma is winding down to a stalemate now, Toungoo and Prome with Rangoon make a good support triangle, and we don't have the force yet, Tony is getting bored and wants some action. So the time is ripe for some movement :)

Orders to follow.




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/27/2010 11:03:16 PM)

Situation
Tony is bored and wants some action!

Enemy
Enemy forces occupy outposts at Tarawa and Tulagi, with main bases at Rabaul and Kwaljelein held in greater strength.

Friendly
We have a large reserve of ground forces at PH and Fiji, with more about to arrive. Offensive opportunities are currently good with the enemy heavily focused on ADAK.

Fiji is secure and Luganville is almost fully secure.

Strategic Endstate
Keep the enemy dancing between 3 roughly concurrent operations (operation Aru-Abmbon, Solomons Islands and CENTPAC) while closing on the main bases to bring them under allied control via air.

Operational Endstate
Allied airpower at Ambon, Tulagi and Tabituea dominate the surrounding areas.

Execution

A series of roughly concurrent interrelated operations conducted on order starting NLT Aug 1942 and ending by 30 Jan 1942.

See detailed orders already issued for Ambon, with orders for the others about to be issued.

Ambon is the main effort.

Forces
The CV fleet will support these operations from Australia.
Air forces are slowly increaseing , but no real change for about 1 month (Aug 1942).
Land forces are detailed in following orders.

Issues
Fuel needs to be carefully monitored and is likely to limit options at some point. Fuel can be drawn from PH as required.

Supply is generally good to very good.





jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/27/2010 11:43:29 PM)

Operation Tabiteuea

Situation
See WITP map below.

Enemy
The enemy occupies Tarawa with a guard unit.
Forces are at Kwajalein, Roi-Namur and surrounding islands and consist of Naval guard forces and upto 2 Daitai of Netties and 2 of Fighters with Search and transport float aircraft. Little intel in available.

Friendly
Key Friendly forces are at Fiji (3 Div plus support troops) Luganville (1 div), Canton Island (baseforce with 12 PBY) and PH (all forces preping for operation detailed below).

CV forces will be in distant cover mode as required, but cannot be relied upon.

SCTF are available based from Fiji/PH (To be determined).

Tpt ships are in short supply and more than one lift will be required.


Mission
Seize hold and develop Tabiteuea island into a major base dominating the surrounding area through airpower.

Execution

Forces will concentrate and prepare at PH over the next 3 weeks.
Forces will conduct amphib lodgement at Tabiteuea on order
Forces will be prepared to withstand enemy action within 1 week.

Forces Currently Identified
1st USMC Regt (142 AV) 5000 troops
5th USMC Regt (142 AV) 5000 troops
6th USMC Regt (142 AV) 5000 troops
763rd Tk Bn (60 AV)
1st USMC Tk Bn (86 AV)
118 USAAF BF (12 AV)(60 air spt)1300 troops
175th USAAF BF (12 Av) (60 air spt) 1300 troops
54th Cst Ary (24 155 CD guns) 300 troops
251st Cst AA Regt 500 troops
64th Cst AA Regt 1000 troops
2-4 SeaBees (2 enroute to PH, upto 2 more available)
Air HQ Forward CENTPAC (90 Air Spt) 1000 troops
3 P-40 Sqn
1 F2 Buffalo Sqn (may get upgraded to F4F4)
1 Vindacator Sqn (may get upgraded to Dauntless)
2 PBY Sqn (1 at Canton alreday, 1 at PH)
1 Bomb Group (to be determined)

HQ Pacific Area

[EDIT] 222 USN BF arrives San Diego in 12 days and will also be allocated to this operation
[EDIT 2] HQ Pacific Ocean area (with 120 Nav support) is now allocated as well. This will speed up the unload significantly and means we don't have to wait for 222 USN BF.
[EDIT 3] 6th Marines now allocated as well.

That should be enough to set up a strong secure base for future operations!

The detail is now up to Tony, we just need to negotiate shipping between this operation and Aru/Ambon, plus handle the units that soon arrive.




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/28/2010 1:58:06 AM)

Sequencing of Operations - thoughts

The issue we have at the moment is sequencing of the various operations, while they are "on order" we want to think about it and likely enemy reactions....

Option 1 Aru then TB

Situation: Ground forces are just about assembled, shipping is just about assembled, now just waiting on the CV's to transit (2 weeks?).

Pros:
KB will have a further response from NORPAC (nothing that about half of the KB is in NORPAC, the rest either refitting or recovering airgroups, a section MAY be in SWPAC already...).

Drags KB halfway across the map, by which time our forces will have landed and while not secure we can probably survive on ground airpower.

As soon as our shipping retires from Aru our CV's transit to CENTPAC for TB (Fiji?)

KB then has to react halfway back again.

Cons:
The DEI is fairly obviously one of our main efforts, and the enemy are already building up their forces in the area.

Our CV's have to transit past TB anyway to get to Oz.


Option 2 TB First
Situation within a week all the forces, less the Naval BF, but including our entire fleets, can move from PH. Key shortage is Naval support, the Naval BF won't be ready at PH for at least 3 weeks.

Pros:
The bulk of the fleet needs to transit past TB anyway.

Unexpected action (I think).

Probably no Japanese forces at all within reach. Will draw forces to the CENTPAC (Maybe).


Cons:

Going early leaves us short of Naval Support.
Closer for KB to React


I think the enemy will react strongly to Aru... but I'm not sure they will react much to TB. The later won't really impact on their defensive situation for several months (until more B-24 come on line) and our base will be isolated and subject to interdiction by subs and CV raiding.

If we do 1 then I doubt many enemy forces will be released to CENTPAC at all (meaning we will have more time to dig in at TB, but won't take pressure off Aru).

If we do 2 we may draw forces to CENTPAC, including part of KB, which would be good for Aru (except is cuts down transit to the DEI by a couple of days).


What do people think?




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/28/2010 3:32:34 AM)

1-2-3 Opertion Tulagi

As part of a 1-2-3 punch the final, and least important part is Tulagi.

Situation
See Map
Enemy
The enemy has a single Nvaal guard unit at Tulagi. This may be reinforced with a BF and engineers, but is unlikley.

Friendly
Potential forces for the operation are located at:
Luganville:
147th Ind Inf Regt
244th Ind Inf Regt
29th NZ Bn
2/5th Ind Coy (AUS)
113 USAAF BF
N Force Detachment (NZ)
2nd NZ BF
811 EAB
233 FA Bn (US)
33 Med Art Regt (NZ)
77 Cst Art Regt

(I plan to thin Luganville out to be mostly NZ forces, I will probably move in a NZ Bde and a NZ HQ when it arrives).


Fiji with Luganville and TB secure the threat to FIJI decreases and I can free up forces.
Nadi
182nd Inf Regt
8th NZ Bde minus the Bn at Luganville at Nadi
Nadi BF (NZ)
276th Cst Art Bn (8 CD) Prepping for Luganville
1st Marine Def Bn (8 CD)
46th Cst Regt
43rd Cst Regt
754th Tk Bn
206th Cst AA Regt

The construction regiments have the forts almost to level 5 then they are free.
Nadi will be mostly NZ forces, I may keep the Tk Bn there as the reaction force for a while.

Suva
14th NZ Bde
34th Inf Regt
132nd Inf Regt
1st USMC Para Bn
1/102nd Inf Bn (Christmas Is)
3/102nd Inf Bn (Canton Is)
New Caledonia Det (which will move home soon)
HQ SOPAC
HQ USN AirSoPac
1st RNZAF BF
113 USAAF BF (part rest Luganville)
32nd Aviation BF
1st USMC Air Wing BF
1st USMC EAB
34th Combat Engineer Regt
810 EAB
3rd Marine Def Bn
4th Marine Def Bn
3 FA Bns (2 USMC)
762 Tk Bn
2 AA Bn
5 AA Regt

Forts at Suva are at 5.75.

I plan to leave a mix of NZ and US forces at Suva.


So for Tulagi I can free up:
2-3 Inf regts
Marine Def Regt
Cst Art Bn
USMC AirSupport (but not enough without stripping Suva too much, more is arriving on West coast in about 13 days)
2 construction Regts
Cbt Engineer Regt
2 Cst AA Regt
2 FA BN

That should be enough :) But I would like a BF as well

Shipping will be the issue, and we have to reorganise forces in preparation. I estimate we can be ready to move in a month.

Cheers

Rob





Alfred -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/28/2010 3:56:51 AM)

Shouldn't you also be planning a 1-2-3-4 punch as well.  Namely the relief force for Adek as indicated in an earlier post.

Alfred




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/28/2010 5:35:18 AM)

Yes, already planned :) but not reported on :(

At Seattle we will soon have 3 BB's (Maryland, Colorado, Tenessee), 4 CA and 13 DD to escort in a resupply convoy :)

It depends on KB being committed elsewhere of course.

Otherwise I'm moving lots of supply to Dutch Harbour (now at 56k), Anchorage (20k) and Kodiak (30k) in prepartion so I can run in, then if possible run in again quickly.

I'm also moving more units to Kodiak as a back up (Cst AA Regt and FA Bn).




quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Shouldn't you also be planning a 1-2-3-4 punch as well.  Namely the relief force for Adek as indicated in an earlier post.

Alfred






jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/28/2010 8:00:15 AM)

02-03 Jul 1942

Subs

3 attacks at Kendari against, TK, DD and APD no hits, no bangs :(
We detect a lot more Japanese subs this turn, off the West Coast and nth of Suva. A change in exe.

Burma
Shwebo falls to the 7th Aus Div Cav Regt.
Cox's Bazar expands airfield to size 8
Otherwise very quiet as we rest our airpower.

DEI

All quiet apart from the shipping noted at Kendari.

SWPAC
We really trash Hollianda!

Morning Air attack on Hollandia , at 93,116

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 12
LB-30 Liberator x 12
B-26 Marauder x 9


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 89


But our forces at Wau are taking a beating, fortunately they are focussing on the ground troops, and the airfield is almost at level 2... But I need to get more fighters in here. While my troops are being hurt I estimate air losses are about equal... not good but sustainable in the short term.

They still haven't detected the Bde advancing on Buna, that may change next turn and they may change targets from Wau... but the Bde should cope and take Buna.

An air attack on Gasmata indicates an SNLF coy is based there... it got roughed up by Dutch B-25.

SOPAC
Efate makes a level 2 airfield and is now fully suitable for air transfers.


NORPAC
It looks like all the Japanese TF have retired.

Our air flies un molested hitting the 21st Special Base Force and the 19th Div for light casulties, I will move in more bombers next turn (may bring in some B-17, I envisage B-17 taking off, doing a circuit, droping its load, landing and rearming!

Ground bombardments cause light casulties compared to before, probably code change related.

Ground combat at Adak Island (162,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14875 troops, 200 guns, 283 vehicles, Assault Value = 466

Defending force 30808 troops, 347 guns, 204 vehicles, Assault Value = 604

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Ground combat at Adak Island (162,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15013 troops, 200 guns, 283 vehicles, Assault Value = 471

Defending force 30995 troops, 347 guns, 204 vehicles, Assault Value = 619

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)


China
The enemy are well and truly on the offensive in the centre and south. Will post a pic when we get the turn.

The new code changes appear to stop mass retreats, slowing down the offensive (2:1 attack, 1 unit retreats, next day another 2:1 attack, again only one unit retreats).




Alfred -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/29/2010 5:12:40 AM)

jrcar,

This is not intended as a considered response to your "What do people think?" of post #383, but rather a few additional thoughts to your posted stream of consciousness.

You have 4 operations in mind:

(1)  Aru (with 1943 exploitation in mind towards Ceram/Moluccas)
(2)  TB (development of base to allow Allied domination of the Mandates and shortening of Allied SLOCs)
(3)  relief of Adak (just enough to maintain this as a Verdun)
(4)  Tulagi (supplementary to #2 re SLOCs)

IMO, these four operations are listed in descending order regarding the strategic threat they pose to the enemy and consequently, in the absence of any associated Allied maskirovka, the likely reaction in terms of enemy intensity.  Note of course, that whether the enemy has local reserves will greatly impact on their speed/intensity of response.  For example, an Allied move on Tulagi might engineer a surprisingly robust and strategically disproportionate Japanese response if there are strong local reserves available at Rabaul.

Ideally, you would like the KB to be absent from any of the four sectors.  Nor will you contemplate launching the first two operations without the presence of covering Allied CVs, although the last two (Adak and Tulagi) at a pinch can be carried out solely under land based air cover.  This therefore means that Adak/Tulagi can be undertaken simultaneously with either the Aru or TB operations, rather than sequentially.

Thus the key question is: Aru or TB first?

On balance, I would plump for TB first.  Some additional points, to those already posted by yourself are:

(a)  When the enemy responds to your move on Aru, you are probably going to suffer substantial losses in materiel.  By moving on TB before Aru, you give yourself additional time to build up stockpiles of materiel and thus your DEI schwerpunkt will not lose its intensity as rapidly.

(b)  Drawing the KB to TB will, as you have correctly noted, make it easier to intervene in NoPac.  I think you can take advantage of this, and make your subsequent Aru operation safer, by conspicicously undertaking recon in the Aleutians/Kuriles both before and during the TB operation.

What I am essentially suggesting is that you engage in a maskirovka to make your opponents think that you still retain high hopes regarding the efficacy of the northern route to Japan (remember their invasion of Adak is probably in part due to your earlier Kuriles raiding) and that the move on TB is intended to

(i) draw the KB away away to allow you to "save" Adak,
(ii) just as the KB can quickly redeploy away from TB back to the north, so can allied carriers to support the battleships you have assembled up north,
(iii) after all, it would be some time before TB would bear fruit in terms of dominating the Mandates, would the Allies really abandon NoPac with its more immediate benefits,
(iv) you of course post the initial TB landings could move your fast fleet carrier SW to link up with the Aru invasion forces, whilst moving any slow carriers north to the Aleutians (well at least giving the impression, you could always double back to provide a second echelon of naval air power, supported by land air, to Aru operations).  This deceptive move north would be strengthened if the Adak relief was conducted more or less simltaneously with the TB operation.

Anyway, just a few additional thoughts to ponder.

Alfred 




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/29/2010 10:31:18 AM)

Thanks Alfred,

at this stage TB is first for the reasons you mention :) I like your analysis and Tony and I have basically come to the same conclusion.

I've started doing the ship analysis. It will be about 3 weeks until we can move the entire force in one go largely using AP, AKA and AK vessels (with some xAP). It will then take about 2 weeks to get loaded and landing on the beaches so about the second week of August.

We can get about half the force loaded within a week, and two weeks later be on the beaches (say 200 AV, CD guns, engineers). So we could land in the last week of July.


In NORPAC I'm going to try and get a 1 ship convoy through from Kodiak with 4k of supply, while the larger effort prepares at Seattle, then move to try and get an opportunity to come in.

We have lost sight of ALL Japanese ships up north.

I have bought in bombers to hit the ground troops and more fighters (now upto 96) with another 25 P-39 at Dutch Harbour ready to reinforce as well.

Disablements are recovering, including 1 of the CD guns and all of the 155 arty. Fatigue and disruption is almost all below 10 now. Forts are at 3.8. Supply is now 37600. About 1/3rd of the AV is in reserve and is very fresh.

Cheers

Rob




jrcar -> RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) (1/29/2010 10:37:10 AM)

Here are the airlosses. As you can see we are on the loosing side this turn over Wau (7 Kittyhawk and 4 Wildcat vs 1 zero and 4 Nells)

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