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Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/22/2010 2:57:15 PM)
[:D][:D] yes that is a bit of an oxymoron

Monter_Trismegistos -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/22/2010 5:27:22 PM)
Hi, any chance for simillar data about your Australian and American armoured force? :)

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/23/2010 12:06:56 AM)
Today he hit Perth nasty with BB's and then swept Calcutta looks like we had the same idea at the same time Burma air war is about to get nasty - 1st Op goes in tomorrow lets see how it goes. OK Australian Armour Aus Armoured Regts have a different mixed TOE so its 2 Sqns of Heavy (Matilda's or M3 Lees/Grants) and 1 of Light (Stuarts) with the HQ's being Close Support Matildas (4) So total 40 Heavy and 18 Light Tanks per Regt As this game suffered from the bug most of my Heavies are now committed to M3's I get 7 Indpt Armoured Regts of this type at present they all have about 20 M3's and 10 Stuarts so all 7 of the Regts are at about 50% TOE - in the next 4 months I recieve 216 M3's via convoys enough to bring all the Regts up to strength. I also have 3 Armoured Car Regts (2/11, 2nd Recce and 10th Light Horse - in total they have c 52 Armoured Cars a mix of Marmon Herringtons and locally produced ACV1's) 2 of these units are at full strength. Now on top of those I get 5 Light Horse Cav/Motor Bdes 1st Motor Bde has 24 Matilda II's but is due a TOE upgrade to Armoured Cars 3rd Motor Bde has 22 Matilda II's but is due a TOE upgrade to Armoured Cars 3rd Tank Bde has 5 M3 and 7 Stuarts but has a TOE of 120 Heavy and 54 Light Tanks 4th Cav has 36 Matilda II's and 12 Stuarts 6th Cav has 23 Matilda II's and 12 Stuarts AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jun 09, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 4th Aus Cav Brigade, at 96,154 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 13 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 25 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 25 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 20000 feet * Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 5th Australian Division ... Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 1st Australian Division, at 95,153 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 21 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 29 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 29 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 20000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 2nd Marine Regiment ... Also attacking 1st Australian Division ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 16th Recon Regiment, at 50,143 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 1 Allied aircraft Beaufighter Ic x 1 B-26 Marauder x 9 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-26 Marauder: 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 9 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 5000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 5000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 5000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 3rd Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Raid is overhead Also attacking 2nd Tank Regiment ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Oodnadatta (74,149) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 90 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Defending force 396 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 18 Allied adjusted assault: 0 Japanese adjusted defense: 7 Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 1) Combat modifiers Defender: preparation(-), fatigue(-) Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-) Allied ground losses: 21 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 2nd USMC Parachute Bn /88 Defending units: Yokosuka Assault SNLF /15

crsutton -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/23/2010 4:59:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Australian Armour Aus Armoured Regts have a different mixed TOE so its 2 Sqns of Heavy (Matilda's or M3 Lees/Grants) and 1 of Light (Stuarts) with the HQ's being Close Support Matildas (4) So total 40 Heavy and 18 Light Tanks per Regt As this game suffered from the bug most of my Heavies are now committed to M3's I get 7 Indpt Armoured Regts of this type at present they all have about 20 M3's and 10 Stuarts so all 7 of the Regts are at about 50% TOE - in the next 4 months I recieve 216 M3's via convoys enough to bring all the Regts up to strength. I also have 3 Armoured Car Regts (2/11, 2nd Recce and 10th Light Horse - in total they have c 52 Armoured Cars a mix of Marmon Herringtons and locally produced ACV1's) 2 of these units are at full strength. Now on top of those I get 5 Light Horse Cav/Motor Bdes 1st Motor Bde has 24 Matilda II's but is due a TOE upgrade to Armoured Cars 3rd Motor Bde has 22 Matilda II's but is due a TOE upgrade to Armoured Cars 3rd Tank Bde has 5 M3 and 7 Stuarts but has a TOE of 120 Heavy and 54 Light Tanks 4th Cav has 36 Matilda II's and 12 Stuarts 6th Cav has 23 Matilda II's and 12 Stuarts Andy are you sure that all seven tank units all have the same amount of tanks? I have three units that have 18 stuarts, and 41 Grant/lees but my other four units have only a skeleton force of tanks and wont take any more making them rather useless. I have enough Grant/Lees in the pool that they should be taking more tanks. I wonder if this is not something left over from the replacment bug? The three cavalry brigades have a nice force of tanks but are infanty units so are no more mobile than any other foot unit. Too bad as they should have better movement. Still they are great on defense due to the medium tanks. The motorized brigades are the best with a balanced force and a good mix of tanks. They are mobile and the most useful units that I have in OZ. The Allied tanks are almost immune to Japanese level bombers. However, the bombers will kill off their motorized support units very fast.

crsutton -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/23/2010 5:05:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crsutton quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Australian Armour Aus Armoured Regts have a different mixed TOE so its 2 Sqns of Heavy (Matilda's or M3 Lees/Grants) and 1 of Light (Stuarts) with the HQ's being Close Support Matildas (4) So total 40 Heavy and 18 Light Tanks per Regt As this game suffered from the bug most of my Heavies are now committed to M3's I get 7 Indpt Armoured Regts of this type at present they all have about 20 M3's and 10 Stuarts so all 7 of the Regts are at about 50% TOE - in the next 4 months I recieve 216 M3's via convoys enough to bring all the Regts up to strength. I also have 3 Armoured Car Regts (2/11, 2nd Recce and 10th Light Horse - in total they have c 52 Armoured Cars a mix of Marmon Herringtons and locally produced ACV1's) 2 of these units are at full strength. Now on top of those I get 5 Light Horse Cav/Motor Bdes 1st Motor Bde has 24 Matilda II's but is due a TOE upgrade to Armoured Cars 3rd Motor Bde has 22 Matilda II's but is due a TOE upgrade to Armoured Cars 3rd Tank Bde has 5 M3 and 7 Stuarts but has a TOE of 120 Heavy and 54 Light Tanks 4th Cav has 36 Matilda II's and 12 Stuarts 6th Cav has 23 Matilda II's and 12 Stuarts Andy are you sure that all seven tank units all have the same amount of tanks? I have three units that have 18 stuarts, and 41 Grant/lees but my other four units have only a skeleton force of tanks and wont take any more making them rather useless. I have enough Grant/Lees in the pool that they should be taking more tanks. I wonder if this is not something left over from the replacment bug? The three cavalry brigades have a nice force of tanks but are infanty class units so are no more mobile than any other foot unit. Too bad as they should have better movement. Still they are great on defense due to the medium tanks. The motorized brigades are the best with a balanced force and a good mix of tanks, infantry and artillery. They are mobile and the most useful units that I have in OZ. In fact my favorite units in the game so far The Allied tanks are almost immune to Japanese level bombers. However, the bombers will kill off their motorized support units very fast. The bug was a real bitch as I now have about 200 matildas in my pools with more coming. However, there are no units in either India or Oz that will take matildas as they all jumped to lee/grants during the bug days. The bug is fixed but I can never use these tanks now. Lee/grants are better than matildas but matildas look like king tigers next to any Japanese tank and they would have proved vere useful in filling out my units.

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/23/2010 9:30:58 AM)
Yup cest las vie no point worrying about it

traskott -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/23/2010 11:31:59 AM)
Very interesting AAR...I face the same trouble, but against a more successfully japanese ( or worse AFB [:D] ). Just two question: Is there any chance to hold Australia just with the aussies? If he cross the line under Brisbane, it would be a mistake ? Thanks @edit: oh! Is it really necesary rejoin all the bons and brigades to form Divs ? [:o] thank u again.

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/23/2010 12:21:44 PM)
Holding with just the Aussies wil be tough unless both AIF Divs are in theatre e.g. 6th and 7th Aus Divs plus the Arty support that arrives in Aden. Recombining the Divs in Australia is not stricly neccessary and may be a step to far in some cases. Lets me explain why. I am a fan of divs so my first step is always to recombine them BUT that can leave you short of rear area garrions - Australia has a lot of bases and rear area para drops are a PITA So I would be tempted to have 2 or 3 recombined as my main blocking force to support the AIF divs and the Motor Bdes An leave the others scattered as rear area security - I am feeling the lack of small units now v PZB he can find a lot of raiders causing disproportionate damage

traskott -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/23/2010 1:22:58 PM)
Uh, oh.....looks like someone are about to lose whole Australia.... Thanks for the info about divisions...oh, and for ut study of the divisional OOB. Handy when planning what to do and with what. Just one more question ( ): Are u concerned about the lost of Palmyra and Christmas Island ? They are very near of PH, and this last one, with its "unlimited" troop capacity can be a very tough nut to crack, if u have to reconquer it....

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/23/2010 1:38:13 PM)
Not really I am planning on retaking themn pretty soon beofr e he gets to set

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/24/2010 11:54:32 PM)
treied a few things today sending 225 RAF Group to bomb the Magwe Refinery supported by 10th AF Forts Didnt work out to well.... 126 aircraft sortied in total and my loss was about 50 aircraft mostly in the Blenheims and Hudsons. Most fo rthe fighters didnt fly not a good day

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/24/2010 11:55:31 PM)
Thats a loss rate that is not sustainable I will need to work at it to increase my fighter cover at long range OR stop flying unless I have heavy fighter cvover

traskott -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/25/2010 12:06:40 AM)
¡¡ 50 !! sorry hear that....What failed ?

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/25/2010 12:08:23 AM)
the Sqn on P38's on top cover didnt fly and the Hurricanes it turns out were out of range - doh..

Nomad -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/25/2010 12:11:19 AM)
Do your house rules permit night flights?

traskott -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/25/2010 12:15:05 AM)
Not only the airframes, trained pilots are another trouble.

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/31/2010 5:56:37 PM)
OK about three days have passed since my last update I commenced night bombing in Burma I have 2 Sqns of Wellington Ic's and they are doing all my night bombing. I will restrict myself to no more than 3 or 4 Sqns total as I dont want to escalate night bombing to much. In Australia I havre railed in a full Corps to Kalgoorlie with a lot of armoured support and have begun clearing up Western Australia. In the East I have pulled back to te Brisbane line and will hold there. As soon as the East is cleared up I will divert forces back to the centre to take Alice Springs and then will turn on the West. I estimate total clearance of Australia ex Darwin in 6 months. In other news 225 RAF Groups AF's were swept by large numbers of japanese fighters. My elite fighter pilots (no one less than 70/70/70) in Hurricanes and Kittyhawks did ok v the Oscars and lost to the Zeroes total losses were about 25 per side. I dont think he will be back each of my sqns had 4 reserve aircraft and 8 extra pilots so next day were almost at full stregnth - I love the reserve aircraft button really gives pool depth some meaning

traskott -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/31/2010 6:53:25 PM)
You looks like very confident about cleaning OZ in 6th months. [:D] Overconfidence is a mistake [:'(]

khyberbill -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/31/2010 8:41:09 PM)
quote: You looks like very confident about cleaning OZ in 6th months. It is doable. And he admits that Darwin will take longer. I cleared Oz twice in less than 6 months (although not in Scn 2) but I am still trying to clear Darwin in one game. I just bypassed Darwin and am now prepping for Davao.

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (3/31/2010 9:02:40 PM)
I am reasonably confident that without further troop injections I can retake Aus ex Darwin reasonably easily. I have 4 or 5 US Divs and the 5 Aus Militia Divs 1 AIF Inf Div plus 4 Cav Bdes plus 2 indian Armoured bdes and about 12 Indpt Tank units plus arty and air superiority and a p[riceless advantage a front in theEast that PZB wont cross he will not want to trigger my reinforcements now so I have left the 5 Militia Divs stiffened by some armour to hold the Brisbane line while the best of my mobile forces clean up Perth area AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jun 20, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47 Weather in hex: Clear sky Allied aircraft Wellington Ic x 6 Allied aircraft losses Wellington Ic: 1 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Wellington Ic bombing from 18000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 15 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Soerabaja at 56,104 Japanese Ships PB Shonan Maru #2 DD Hasu DD Yukaze Allied Ships SS S-40, hits 14, and is sunk SS S-40 is sighted by escort S-40 bottoming out .... DD Hasu attacking submerged sub .... DD Yukaze attacking submerged sub .... SS S-40 forced to surface! DD Yukaze firing on surfaced sub .... Sub slips beneath the waves -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 63rd Chinese Corps, at 79,58 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-Ic Sally: 2 damaged Allied ground losses: 98 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 11th Infantry Regiment, at 71,156 (Ceduna) Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Allied aircraft Beaufort V x 10 Hudson I x 9 Hudson III (LR) x 9 B-17E Fortress x 10 B-26 Marauder x 10 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 32 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 9 x Hudson I bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 10 x Beaufort V bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet * Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet * Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 10 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 1 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet * Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kalgoorlie (56,147) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 21602 troops, 554 guns, 526 vehicles, Assault Value = 1109 Defending force 3583 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 126 Allied adjusted assault: 456 Japanese adjusted defense: 28 Allied assault odds: 16 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 1950 casualties reported Squads: 30 destroyed, 68 disabled Non Combat: 31 destroyed, 50 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 1 Allied ground losses: 317 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 30 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 39 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Vehicles lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled) Units pursuing 6 Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 2nd USMC Tank Battalion 2/7th Armoured Regiment 2/5th Armoured Regiment 8th Australian Division 2/9th Armoured Regiment 2/6th Armoured Regiment 2/10th Armoured Regiment 2/4th Armoured Regiment Americal Infantry Division 44th Australian Battalion 21/22 Field Regiment 2/9th Field Regiment 2/13th Field Regiment 13th Australian Hvy AA Regiment 12th RAAF Base Force 1st Medium Regiment 46th Construction Regiment 8th Medium Regiment Defending units: 21st Infantry Regiment

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (4/2/2010 11:21:33 PM)
OK things are starting to move. III Indian Corps is now unloaded at Perth and has taken command in the West and will push forward to Geraldton Under command for this fight it has 27th US Div, 255th Indian Armoured Bde, 7th Armoured bde and 8th Aus Div. III Aus Corps will hold at Perth with Amercal Div just in case Ist US Amphib Corps is driving on Esperance with 8 Tank Bns/Regts I don't think it will take to long to clean up the West

wpurdom -> RE: Oh crap its for real (4/3/2010 1:08:32 AM)
What's happening with respect to replacing the Aussie militia with '42 AIF squads?

Andy Mac -> RE: Oh crap its for real (4/3/2010 2:08:51 PM)
All done bar 1 Div I wouldnt rely on them even for a static defensive role without AIF 42 squads. PZB sent a naval TF into blow up Chittagong AF destroying 50+ aircradft on the ground a bit of a shock but not a disaster it means that TF isnt doing the same thing to Perth where III Corps is still unloading.

Andy Mac -> Armour !!! (4/3/2010 2:31:45 PM)
OK assembling my potentially very styrong armoured spearhead and force in Australia (not even close to full strength but I can dream !!!!) I have 3 very strong Armoured Divs in Australia now which will be assembling almost as a small armoured Corps. 1st Australian Armoured Div (4 Inf Bns, 1 MG Bn, 410 Tanks and 78 Armoured Cars) 2nd Recce Bn (54 Armoured Cars) 4th Australian Cav Bde (Capacity 176 Tanks and a Bn of Infantry) 3rd Army Tank Bde (Capacity 176 Tanks and a Bn of Infantry) 1st Motor Bde (2 Bns of Infantry an MG Bn. 1 Armoured Car Regt and a Regt of 25 pounders) 2/8th Australian Armoured Regt (58 Tanks) 2nd Commonwealth Armoured Div (4 Inf Bns, 1 MG Bn, 318 Tanks and 76 Armoured Cars) 10th Light Horse Bn (52 Armoured Cars) 7th Armoured Bde (104 Tanks and an Inf Bn) 255th Armoured Bde (156 tanks and a Bn of Infantry) 3rd Motor Bde (2 Bns of Infantry an MG Bn. 1 Armoured Car Regt and a Regt of 25 pounders) 2/9th Australian Armoured Regt (58 Tanks) 3rd Armoured Div ( 3 Inf Bns, 52 Armoured Cars and 539 Tanks) 2/11th Armoured Car Bn (52 Armoured Cars) 159th US Motorised Regt (3 Bns of Infantry) 192nd US Tank Bn (59 Tanks) 194th US Tank Bn (59 Tanks) 754th Tank Bn (59 Tanks) 2nd USMC Tank Bn (72 Tanks) 2/4th Australian Armoured Regt (58 Tanks) 2/5th Australian Armoured Regt (58 tanks) 2/6th Australian Armoured Regt (58 Tanks) 2/7th Australian Armoured Regt (58 Tanks) 2/10th Australian Armoured Regt (58 Tanks) If only I had enough tanks to fill out the TOE then the Japanese would regret attacking Australia !!!!

Andy Mac -> RE: Armour !!! (4/3/2010 8:50:34 PM)
Esperence is now almost invested armour roams free and III Corps is driving on Geraldton with almost no resistence I want to finish off the West so I can turn all my attention to the centre I need about another 2 weeks and the Japanese will be chased into the wilderness of the outback

Andy Mac -> RE: Armour !!! (4/3/2010 10:36:55 PM)
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Andy Mac -> RE: Armour !!! (4/4/2010 12:30:12 AM)
Been thinking about my next series of operations I now believe that Australia is best served as beign an Air/land battle and my fleet will have little to do. My period of vulnerability is now passed. I have nearly 4 full US Unf Divs in theatre plus those 3 Armoured 'forces' described above I also have 5 Militia and one AIF Div all told thats over 13 Divs 3 of them fully mobile - If PZB can overcome that lot then its incometence on my part. I am therefore moving to plan future operations. As you all know I have an Operation in planning for Burma I am assembling the force now and just need the last few elements to be ready for it to proceed. I should be able to assmeble about 12 Divisions total for this operation 5 'rescued' or transferred from other theatres. (18th UK Div, 9th Indian Div, 6th Aus Div, 7th Aus Div and a composite US Div) 3 Not sacrificed in Burma - 17th Indian, 1st Burma and the three Indpt Indian Bdes Add to that 14th Indian Div, 2nd British Div, 70th British Div and 26th Indian Div and thats my attack force So instead of a force of 3 - 4 Divs the allies actually had for the 1st Arakan campaign I will have about 12 - 13 due to carefull husbanding of forces. The infrastructure along the Imphal road will not support major operations in 42 the supply net just isnt strong enough maybe 1 Div plus a Chinese Corps can be supported but thats about it. So I will need to commit to sea supply into Akyab if this attack is going to work which willbe tough given PZB's kendo masterlike use of SCTF's but its the only way to get the ball rolling. This overall operation will be called Operation 'Privateer' I will be allocating sufficient Surface and air assets to give it a fighting chance of success - the key is not to set unrealisable objectives. A second operation in planning is the reconquest of the Line Islands starting with the very dangerous Christmas Island - forces are about 40% prepped for this objective but I need more shipping and the bulk of my fleet out of Australian waters to make it work. So my next step is to re concentrate the fleet at Pearl which will take a few weeks. Given the loss of so many US BB's on Dec 7th I will probably need to bring along some RN 'R' Class BB's to support the attack this operation is codenamed Operation 'Marque' I will write up full ops orders and OOB's etc when it is finalised. The initial attack on Christmas Island will be at LEAST a 1 Divisional Attack more likely 2 reinforced Divs with a marine Regt as spearhead if I can manage it

Andy Mac -> RE: Armour !!! (4/4/2010 12:49:57 AM)
Operation Privateer OOB OK launching in about 70 days from now the ofrces available will be Eastern Army (Irwin) 1st Burma Div 14th Indian Div 17th Indian Div 70th British Div 23rd Indian Div (PP's needed) 6th Australian Div 7th Australian Div 9th Indian Div 26th Indian Div (PP's needed) 20th Indian Div (PP's needed) 2nd British Div 4th Indian Armoured Div (267th Ard Bde (Mostly Vickers tankettes), 268th Motorised Bde and maybe 73rd Motorised Bde) Supported by 3 Corps HQ's, 4 Armoured or Armoured Car Regts to act as Corps Cavalry, 5 Mountain Arty Regts, 1 Field and 1 Medium Arty Regt organised as an Army Arty Group I will also have about 6 Bdes of Indian Inf (not Bde Groups) for LOC protection and garrison low xp troops with almost no support weapons) and 5th Chinese Army operating against Mktina I wil also have 2 RAF Air Groups and a USAAF force in support The biggest difficulty is supply on the northern front will force my acitivities post Monsoon along the coastal axis. when I have finished with my Corps OOB's and assignments I will put the whole plan out there

Andy Mac -> RE: Armour !!! (4/4/2010 1:01:51 AM)
p.s. not all those forces are up to strength I think I can get the Inf there (with the obvious dilution to xp that entails) but Brens Guns, Vickers MG's, 25 Pounders and 3" Mortars are all coming up short partyl due to the drain of the Australian campaign The allies are just not ready for a multi corps attack even with rescued forces in 42 - it may well prove to be beyond the Indian Army between the drain of the Australian campaign and a Burma attack I am far from convinced I will have the pool density required to keep this force fighting in fact it may be very fragile and if it goes wrong could prejudice a 43 attack leaving me cooling my heels until 45 e.g. 9th, 14th, 20th 23rd and 26th Indian Div are each short a full Regt of Arty or more and what it has is WW1 vintage 18 pounders so down 120+ tubes and the 80 odd it has are WW1 vintage. 18th British Div is short a Regt of 25 pounders, 1st Burma Div has nothing but mountain guns all 18 of them for a full Div !!! 17th Indian Div has just converted to its animal pack TOE so its lost all its heavy guns and now has 32 Mountain Guns only

Wirraway_Ace -> RE: Armour !!! (4/4/2010 1:03:45 AM)
Re Privateer OOB Andy, what does your pool of burmese squads look like? Wondering how brittle the 1st Burma Div is at this point. If memory serves, you stop getting replacements in June 42. Did you cannibalize all the separate rifle bns? What are the objectives of Privateer? With 14 divisions, I would assume that anything short of retaking Rangoon would be conservative for such an effort.

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