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Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/11/2010 1:34:26 PM)
Burma Corps OOB for the upcoming operation headline its a powerfull unit of 1500 AV however over 300 AV of that is Burma Militia the rest are 40 - 50xp Indian Army troops and in total the whole force has 20 Tanks and 29 Field (all 25 pounders), 0 Medium and 24 A/T Guns in its entire OOB - its main Arty tube comes from its 62 3.7" Mountain Guns but thats a weak force. So on the face of it General Hartley's Burma Corps looks good but looking beneath the headline numbers shows that any kind of check or serious battle will kill it. As I get more PP's I will post similar analysis about the other elements of Privateer [image]local://upfiles/11987/AE5A77210FF24C4EBFC4B20149D09128.jpg[/image]

Nomad -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/11/2010 2:09:13 PM)
My feeling is that you will end up with a smaller army that has more experience.

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/11/2010 2:12:26 PM)
[:D][:D][:D] probably on this front. I have a better equipped force on the coastal axis both IV and XV Corps will have a solid core of trained and experienced troops

Wirraway_Ace -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/11/2010 3:43:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac Outside of the monsoon Imphal has a base rating of 600 tonnes of supply per day at present (in monsoon) so about 1200 outside of monsoon or say 30,000 per month to be safe - air and garrison/construction forces etc take about 5,000 per month of that allowance so that leaves me with 25,000 per month for combat ops An allied 'Div on combat ops uses about 4,000 tonnes of supply per month excluding wastage and loss the further from my supply head I get. So operating in Imphal itself I could supply say 3 Divs plus supporting HQ, Arty etc and still be building up a small reserve....over time (after the monsoon) Or 2 Divs with no support during the monsoon... Every hex I move away from Imphal will increase my wastage the first hex not to bad because of a road but my rule of thumb is 50% per hex thereafter for Jungle hexes so Imphal to Katha has 2 horrible hexes with no road and a major river so 4000 x 150% x 150% = say 9,000 supply per month per Div so post monsoon with no additional Corps troops or garriosn forces I could operate 3 Divs on the Assam front with no margin for error....ummm I dont like that. Therefore I will divert a little more engineering assets to Imphal to try and get the AF up another level as it will add another 150 per day supply to that base and I will allow the 'TOE Downgrade' of 17th Indian Div to happen which lightens the Div reducing its supply usage Andy, this is fascinating. How is base supply capacity per day calculated? I don't recall seeing these calcs in the manual.

Nomad -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/11/2010 3:55:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac [:D][:D][:D] probably on this front. I have a better equipped force on the coastal axis both IV and XV Corps will have a solid core of trained and experienced troops Maybe you will need to ship down some Tactical Nuclear Penguin beer for those Burmese troops. [:D]

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/11/2010 3:57:25 PM)
It was added in patch 3 I think so it wouldnt be in the manual It only applies to bases in North Australia and North Burma/South Assam and it depends on the road/rail/river network in the area as calcualted by me p.s. its all in the editor and changeable I would have loved to extend it to China but we ran out of time for testing and doing it in Burma and North Aus was the critical locations Andrew is always talking about refining it and his method certainly sounds better but for now broadly bases have a base level of 50 tonnes per day per development level the base level goes up depending on how many and the qualtiy of the road/rail/river network near the base. Its a bit of educated guess work frome me mostly My recollection and I dont have my files in front of me was it was 50 per day for a secondary road, 100 for a primary road (higher only applies) rail was 100 for a minor, 200 for a major, navigatiable river was 50 - 100 I think. So take Dimapur which has 2 minor roads a major road and a minor railway It should be 50 per day (base) + 100 for a minor railway + 100 for a major road + 50 for a seperate minor road so that one should be 300 per day base Ledo has a minor railway 2 minor roads and a river so I think I set it to 300 as well giving it credit for two seperate minor roads because they both went to a supply head via different hexes Imphal has 1 major road so thats a 50 + 100 per day allowance

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/11/2010 4:00:50 PM)
IV Corps will probably have 6th and 7th Aus Div, 18th Brit Div, 26th Indian Div plas a reinforced Armoured Bde and substantial arty XV Corps will probably have 2nd British and 2 Indian Divs (PP's permitting) plus some mountain arty Eastern Army will have 70th Brit Div and possibly 32nd US Div in reserve plus maybe another Divs worth of US Inpt Regts So for the main coastal push 10 reinforced Divs is what I am aiming for but that force NEEDS Akyab to be operational and built up as a port to keep it supplied. Which means air and naval superiority in the Bay of Bengal Andy

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/11/2010 4:05:22 PM)
All told I can assemble c 7,000 AV for this attack compared to about 1,400 that the allies historically had available for 1st Arakan as well as already holding Akyab. c 2000 on the Assam/Ledo front when you include Chinese troops The balance on the coast. PZB should be doing everything he can to supress Akyab and Ledo and Imphal and stop me developing the bases as every time the AF, Port or Forts go up the stronger my supply net gets. Note for Japanese players you dfont want to see a 42 Allied offensive in Burma 1. Destroy everything you cvan forward in Burma and Malaya, 2. Don't let the allies build up bases in Assam 3. Capture Akyab Akyab is a dagger in the side of any Japanese player that owns it and a festering sore that eats troops if you do own it - its one of those no win bases for the japanese IMO you need to take it to delay the allies but recognise it makes it easier for the allies to train pilots and troops

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/18/2010 9:35:48 PM)
OK turns started up again Managed to retreat the force NW of Geraldton causing a fair bit of damage KB appears off Perth but to late all my heavies are en route to Capetown Hornet takes 2 Torps in Pearl Harbour the ASW gp ordered to meet and merge with her missed the rendevous 3 other ASW Gps in PH and about 100 aircraft on 100% ASW also missed the two jap subs She will be out of commission for about 3 months which is annoying

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/19/2010 12:40:30 AM)
Quiet turn I am assembling a couple of Corps on the east Coast of Australia redeploying some troops from the West I will then commence my attack its not a real attack if it works itwould be nice but not counting on it

castor troy -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/19/2010 8:04:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac All told I can assemble c 7,000 AV for this attack compared to about 1,400 that the allies historically had available for 1st Arakan as well as already holding Akyab. c 2000 on the Assam/Ledo front when you include Chinese troops The balance on the coast. PZB should be doing everything he can to supress Akyab and Ledo and Imphal and stop me developing the bases as every time the AF, Port or Forts go up the stronger my supply net gets. Note for Japanese players you dfont want to see a 42 Allied offensive in Burma 1. Destroy everything you cvan forward in Burma and Malaya, 2. Don't let the allies build up bases in Assam 3. Capture Akyab Akyab is a dagger in the side of any Japanese player that owns it and a festering sore that eats troops if you do own it - its one of those no win bases for the japanese IMO you need to take it to delay the allies but recognise it makes it easier for the allies to train pilots and troops Andy, neither supply nor malaria will be an issue as soon as you will leave your bases into the jungle. As the supply routine is now, you can easily draw as much supply as you like, no matter if your bases near the front have supplies or not. It´s just all about a self imposed house rule if you want to but when speaking about the game, forget about the frontline bases, your troops in the jungle won´t starve, nor will the suffer from malaria. As long as you´ve got enough supplies behind the front line bases you will be fine and it shouldn´t be a problem for the Allied to fill up India with millions of supplies.

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/19/2010 5:14:51 PM)
That shouldnt be the case Castor I will try it when I am in the open and running although it will be hard to be 100% sure of as I am deliberately not overstretching my capacity of the supply net. Filling up India with Millions of supply is a problem in 42 as the wastage of stroing it in forward bases is extreme. Supply can come from a reasonable distance but it will hurt you badly if its going to far also getting supplied in jungle is interesting but you need to fight in abase hex to capture a base

witpqs -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/19/2010 6:31:58 PM)
Units at a base may only be supplied from that base. Units outside a base can draw supply from any base within range. Some bases have limits on the supply they may accept each draw. The consequence is that when units are in a supply limited base they are sometimes low on supplies. Move them to a hex next door and they draw directly from the distant base. Of course, if they move out of range of the distant base they will be stuck drawing from the limited base. So, while weird it's not a rules disaster.

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/19/2010 11:38:19 PM)
A quiet turn I 24 tgook a few hits from ASW aircraft at Pearl What else KB looks to ge cruising back towards adeilade but there is almost nothing left for it to hit in the area so I am not worried this campaign is now air land all the way. I have three operations in planning a few weeks from heading out to fight

Wirraway_Ace -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/20/2010 3:44:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy Andy, neither supply nor malaria will be an issue as soon as you will leave your bases into the jungle. As the supply routine is now, you can easily draw as much supply as you like, no matter if your bases near the front have supplies or not. It´s just all about a self imposed house rule if you want to but when speaking about the game, forget about the frontline bases, your troops in the jungle won´t starve, nor will the suffer from malaria. As long as you´ve got enough supplies behind the front line bases you will be fine and it shouldn´t be a problem for the Allied to fill up India with millions of supplies. This was not my experience in Burma, at least in terms of the effects on fatigue and morale. My lower experience British units accumulated significant fatigue and poor morale while in a non-base jungle hex, fighting sporadically against more experience IJA units. Even the Corps HQs with Slim in charge did not stop the slow decline. The IJA units maintained their combat effectiveness while the 17th Indian and 1st Burma Div withered.

castor troy -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/20/2010 10:05:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andy Mac That shouldnt be the case Castor I will try it when I am in the open and running although it will be hard to be 100% sure of as I am deliberately not overstretching my capacity of the supply net. Filling up India with Millions of supply is a problem in 42 as the wastage of stroing it in forward bases is extreme. Supply can come from a reasonable distance but it will hurt you badly if its going to far also getting supplied in jungle is interesting but you need to fight in abase hex to capture a base Like mentioned earlier, I´ve got a hell a lot of troops sitting in the Burmese jungle and they all are 100% supplied and hey, they also don´t suffer from malaria outside a base. Now the question is if I should completely stop any offensives as neither the supply routine nor the malaria effect is anywhere near what would be realistic. Other games showing the same, the offensives out of India have no problem at all to get supplies, you can draw as much as you want, you only need it to be in India but that shouldn´t be much of a problem I guess. You will get it into a base hex as long as it is an ENEMY base. So no problem to capture it. It will only become a problem when you capture it and keep your units in that base as the base won´t get any supplies and your troops won´t either as long as they´re at that base. So you have to move them out again and voila, they will drown in supplies. Like I´ve mentioned earlier also, just look at Australia, you can easily mount an overland offensive out of Alice Springs against Darwin, you just need to have supplies at Alice Springs and your troops will always have supplies, as long as they stay out of (your) Daly Waters, Tennant Creek or Katherine. Have you guys ever tested those routines? [;)] Sorry, couldn´t resist.

castor troy -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/20/2010 10:07:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy Andy, neither supply nor malaria will be an issue as soon as you will leave your bases into the jungle. As the supply routine is now, you can easily draw as much supply as you like, no matter if your bases near the front have supplies or not. It´s just all about a self imposed house rule if you want to but when speaking about the game, forget about the frontline bases, your troops in the jungle won´t starve, nor will the suffer from malaria. As long as you´ve got enough supplies behind the front line bases you will be fine and it shouldn´t be a problem for the Allied to fill up India with millions of supplies. This was not my experience in Burma, at least in terms of the effects on fatigue and morale. My lower experience British units accumulated significant fatigue and poor morale while in a non-base jungle hex, fighting sporadically against more experience IJA units. Even the Corps HQs with Slim in charge did not stop the slow decline. The IJA units maintained their combat effectiveness while the 17th Indian and 1st Burma Div withered. Got my units sitting in the jungle for 1.5 months already and they´re at 0 disruption and very low fatigue. Talk about a malaria effect outside a base.

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (4/22/2010 6:27:11 PM)
We shall ewait and see Castor I will keep an eye on it when the attack goes in. For now my units are training and rebuilding in the rear all the time additional men and munitions flow into India 32nd US Div justr arrived so I am not short of strength - all I need is a workable Akyab and I am in business. In Australia plans they are afoot - Australia will be cleared it will take time and men but it will be done

Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Privateer (5/9/2010 4:58:57 PM)
Turns have started up again. I moved 150 strike aircraft into Geraldton to try and take on KB that was hovering off the coast - that same night a BB heavy TF torched the base destroyed the lot :( Mini KB is off the southern coast of Hawaii quite a ballsy move given I know where KB is. I cannot let that one pass. Wasp, Enterprise, Illustrious and Long Island with a full complement of supporting ships went to sea yesterday to intercept. I figure its even - I will have 200 CV aircraft its unlikely he has more odds I will fight at this close to my shipyard

Andy Mac -> Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/9/2010 10:21:57 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 07, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The combined remnants of the Pacific Fleet that got a little revenge today Japanese get the first strike in hurting Illustrious and Long Island BUT left both my USN Fleet Carriers alone my CAP managed to put off the worst of the enemy strike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Hilo at 180,125 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 52 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 60 A6M2-N Rufe x 5 B5N1 Kate x 20 B5N2 Kate x 19 D3A1 Val x 36 Allied aircraft Martlet II x 13 F4F-3 Wildcat x 10 F4F-4 Wildcat x 24 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed, 20 damaged Allied aircraft losses Martlet II: 1 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed Allied Ships CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Long Island, Bomb hits 1 CL Sumatra Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B5N1 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo 6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 6 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo 15 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 3 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet 5 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo 4 x B5N1 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo 4 x B5N1 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo 6 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 4000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 4 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet 2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb CAP engaged: VF-2 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (13 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (11 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes No.881 Sqn FAA with Martlet II (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes VMF-211 with F4F-3 Wildcat (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 5 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes Then the return almost all my bombers got through to the enemy carriers Scratch 3 Flatttops !! Illustrious in exchange for 2 CVL's and a CV thats a good exhange rate -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Hilo at 181,123 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 15 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 41 A6M2-N Rufe x 4 F1M2 Pete x 6 Allied aircraft Martlet II x 13 F4F-4 Wildcat x 24 SBD-3 Dauntless x 57 TBF-1 Avenger x 15 Japanese aircraft losses F1M2 Pete: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Martlet II: 8 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 24 damaged TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged Japanese Ships CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 1 CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage BB Kongo, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1 CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CVL Shoho CV Junyo DD Yugure Aircraft Attacking: 10 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 7 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 14 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb CAP engaged: Yokohama Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes Ryujo-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 16000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes Junyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 14000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes 3 planes vectored on to bombers Hiyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 14000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes 3 planes vectored on to bombers Shoho-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 13000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes Zuiho-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 14000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes 2 planes vectored on to bombers Mizuho-1 with F1M2 Pete (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 10000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes Kongo-1 with F1M2 Pete (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 9000 Raid is overhead 1 planes vectored on to bombers Tone-1 with F1M2 Pete (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 9000 Raid is overhead Aoba-1 with F1M2 Pete (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 9000 Raid is overhead Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Hiyo Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVL Ryujo Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVL Zuiho Unescorted PM strikes get stopped cold and the the later attack hit a well defended USN TF achieving no hits -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Hilo at 180,125 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft B5N1 Kate x 8 Allied aircraft Martlet II x 1 F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 F4F-4 Wildcat x 6 Japanese aircraft losses B5N1 Kate: 4 destroyed Allied Ships CVE Long Island CAP engaged: VF-2 with F4F-4 Wildcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VMF-211 with F4F-3 Wildcat (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead No.881 Sqn FAA with Martlet II (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Hilo at 180,125 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft B5N2 Kate x 3 Allied aircraft Martlet II x 1 F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 Japanese aircraft losses B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed CAP engaged: VF-2 with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VMF-211 with F4F-3 Wildcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead No.881 Sqn FAA with Martlet II (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Hilo at 180,125 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 45 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 24 A6M2-N Rufe x 4 B5N1 Kate x 5 B5N2 Kate x 7 D3A1 Val x 12 Allied aircraft Martlet II x 4 F4F-3 Wildcat x 4 F4F-4 Wildcat x 11 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged D3A1 Val: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied Ships BB North Carolina CV Enterprise Aircraft Attacking: 2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 2 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 3000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 4 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb CAP engaged: VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes 4 planes vectored on to bombers VMF-211 with F4F-3 Wildcat (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers No.881 Sqn FAA with Martlet II (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers No.881 Sqn FAA with Martlet II (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes No.881 Sqn FAA with Martlet II (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes VF-2 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 16000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes 2 planes vectored on to bombers And then my final attack of the day Wasp and Enterprise strike and another CV takes a big hit - so far so good !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Hilo at 181,123 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 15 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 16 A6M2-N Rufe x 2 F1M2 Pete x 5 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 SBD-3 Dauntless x 56 TBF-1 Avenger x 9 Japanese aircraft losses F1M2 Pete: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 29 damaged TBF-1 Avenger: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged Japanese Ships CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 4, on fire CV Junyo, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires BB Kongo, Bomb hits 3 DD Ariake, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage CVL Shoho DD Nenohi Aircraft Attacking: 3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 8 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo 3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 1 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb CAP engaged: Yokohama Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes 2 planes vectored on to bombers Ryujo-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 14000 Raid is overhead Hiyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 14000 Raid is overhead Junyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 14000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes 7 planes vectored on to bombers Shoho-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 13000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes 5 planes vectored on to bombers Mizuho-1 with F1M2 Pete (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 9000 Raid is overhead Kongo-1 with F1M2 Pete (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 9000 Raid is overhead Tone-1 with F1M2 Pete (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 9000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes Aoba-1 with F1M2 Pete (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 9000 Raid is overhead Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVL Zuiho Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Ariake Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Junyo Have not yet seen the turn but he will have a couple of flattops operational at best so we shall see

khyberbill -> RE: Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/9/2010 10:31:34 PM)
Good show. Are you close enough to PH to save Illustrious? Will you pursue with the rest of your forces?

Andy Mac -> RE: Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/9/2010 10:53:53 PM)
Dont have the turn yet so dont know depends on the state of my air groups mostly

Bradley7735 -> RE: Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/9/2010 11:00:26 PM)
What exp are your wildcats? It's sad to see so many fighter losses without shooting down a single zero. (At least from what I can tell from the AAR.) edit: I think i'm wrong. Looks like there were A2A zero losses..... Congrats on the victory.

Andy Mac -> RE: Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/9/2010 11:49:17 PM)
Not a victory until I see the turn and check my losses

Andy Mac -> RE: Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/10/2010 8:05:45 PM)
OK interesting Illustrious is 50 float damage so she is not down looks like about 190 aircraft down for the Japanese whereas i still have 170 operational I am therefore pursuing

Andy Mac -> RE: Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/10/2010 8:15:47 PM)
Wasp has 13 operational Wildcats anda few damaged but VF 71 achieved 24 kills for 10 losses Enterprise VF 2 has 13 Wildcats ready with 15 kills and 19 losses FAA 881 Sqn now has about 7 Martlets on Enterprise VMF 211 on Long Island has 12 F4F's So the pursuing TF has about 45 operational fighters enough to keep up the pursuit

Andy Mac -> RE: Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/10/2010 9:00:14 PM)
Wasp and Enterprise wityh Colorado, North Carolina and Long Island in company plus 3 x CLAA and Quincy, Devonshire, 4 CL's and about 20 DD's are heading West to try and finish the job HMS Illustrious escorted by Perth and 4 DD's is heading to Pearl Harbour capable of 11 knots

Andy Mac -> RE: Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/10/2010 9:07:24 PM)
maybe I should go home and call its a win but 2 full flat tops with a full complement of aircraft still feels like enough to finish the job especially as Illustrious is not likely to sink unless it meets an I Boat

Andy Mac -> RE: Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/10/2010 9:30:41 PM)
I do wonder why Mini KB was swanning around south of PH when I KNEW where KB was on the other side of the planet. Its really weird and risky he had to know I wouldnt let it pass and I had at least two operational carriers at Pearl (actually 3) Slightly baffled by this strategic choice at a stroke he has given me back the flexibility I lost after losing a CV at Sydney I reckon Hiyo (50 odd) Ryujo (48) and Zuiho (30) are goners plus maybe Junyo given the losses in aircraft (160 jap CArrier Aircraft including 80 Zeroes yesterday)

traskott -> RE: Mini KB Gets trashed !!! (5/10/2010 11:09:04 PM)
Amazing job. Congratulations. A doubt concerning HQ and PP: Do you really spend the HQ of all the LCU on your offensives to the HQ which command them ? ( ie: In the Burma Offesive, has you put everybody under Burma Corps ? Thanks.

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