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Joel Billings -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/23/2010 10:11:27 PM)

Wow, those results are very revealing. German wins only count 10% of the time through Nov 41, so your net losses are more than your net wins for promotions/dismissals (at least for promotions I know that's true). In my last AI vs AI test at 110/100 where the Germans were advancing more or less historically, their AG leaders only have 18, 27, and 31 losses, and they have 226, 516, and 424 wins (from North to South). If the German dismissals were tough for the AI, I can only imagine what they'll be when playing against a human player. Things could get grim when you hit the winter, but then didn't Hitler fire a bunch of guys in December? Hopefully the adjustments we made this morning will help some.



karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/23/2010 10:17:17 PM)

The AI is probably making more "perfect" deliberate attacks whereas I am making a lot more borderline hasty attacks . I think I will mix in more deliberate attacks in the future. Also Trey decided to be more aggressive from about Turn 8 onwards, and probably is putting in more attacks than the AI in 1941.

I was expecting that the Blizzard would put the Army and AG commanders in the frame for firing. I think 20-30 generals were dismissed during the first winter.



PyleDriver -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/23/2010 11:22:07 PM)

Hey Bob, can you post the OOB once the rain falls, I'd like to see what Trey has left to throw at you once the blizzards hit...BTW you have done a fine job so far...



PyleDriver -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/23/2010 11:25:15 PM)

Another question, Trey did you get your factories moved east in time?



Great_Ajax -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/24/2010 12:58:00 AM)

I evacuated all but Leningrad. I didn't expect Leningrad to fall so easily. Since Turn 8, I have been averaging about 4-6 German retreats per turn in counterattacks especially around Moscow and east of Kiev.

Trey


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ORIGINAL: PyleDriver

Another question, Trey did you get your factories moved east in time?




Joel Billings -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/24/2010 6:02:35 AM)

Glad to hear that counterattacks are possible.



Helpless -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/24/2010 3:45:37 PM)

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I evacuated all but Leningrad.


Oh.. half of KV-1 have gone



Sabre21 -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/24/2010 4:41:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Helpless

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I evacuated all but Leningrad.


Oh.. half of KV-1 have gone


Pav

Will factories rebuild back up as before or what you move is all you get?


Andy



Helpless -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/24/2010 4:59:47 PM)

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Will factories rebuild back up as before or what you move is all you get?


Andy, factory can grow up to build limit if it is not set to 0. Ex. Hi, Fuel, Armaments, Vehicles don't grow because BL is set to 0, but aircraft and afv should grow, i.e. rebuild back. Keep in mind the more you move the faster you get it back.



PyleDriver -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/24/2010 7:27:52 PM)

Pav, Andy asked can they build a new KV factory if they don't move it in time. I guess not, so their screwed if they don't...Seems theres a problem here if thats the case.



Sabre21 -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/24/2010 9:06:38 PM)

Jon..Pav got it right, I was asking if the factories can build back up once moved. Like how it worked before if you only moved a few of a particular type factory, they would in time rebuild up to a maximum amount at their destination while those left behind were destroyed.

Now that you can move factories piecemeal, a few each turn, I'm just wondering if each segment that can be moved will build up to some prescribed max amount. If they do, it can get gamey if someone were to move a few to different locations with each droup building up more than they could have if they had all been transported at the same time to the same place.

Knowing that some types don't rebuild makes it important to get them all out.



Joel Billings -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/24/2010 10:17:49 PM)

The ones that don't rebuild can be moved piecemeal. The ones that build up to the build limit must be moved all at once, with any part left behind destroyed. The key is, for aircraft and AFV factories, you have to get at least one point evacuated or you'll lose the potential to build back to the build limit. But you have to move them all at once, so there are two decisions to make (when to move them and how much to move when you do, but if you know you are going to lose the city, be sure to get at least 1 point out before it's too late).



karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 11:51:57 AM)

End T15 North. Looks like Trey is pulling back.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 11:53:37 AM)

EndT15. Kalinin is secured.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 11:56:14 AM)

End T15. Attempt to encircle 9 divs in front of Moscow fails.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 11:58:22 AM)

T15. Pushing and probing towards Tula.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:00:23 PM)

T15. Kharkov falls to a very understrength 11th Panzer Division.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:03:16 PM)

T15. Pushing past Dtown and Ztown towards Stalino.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:05:05 PM)

T15. Slovak motorised crosses the Kerch Strait.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:10:41 PM)

End T16. 14th Motorised reaches the outskirts of Moscow.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:12:32 PM)

14th Motorised is in bad shape.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:15:33 PM)

T16. Tula is captured but I avoid over-extending my panzers.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:18:00 PM)

T16. A couple of Pockets in the Kharkov area.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:19:59 PM)

T16. The Rumanians push towards Sevastopol.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:24:18 PM)

T17. last turn of Clear weather (much to Trey's relief!). The new combat routines for Heavy woods kick in, and make the Soviets MUCH tougher - look at the combat value multiplier on this baby:


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:25:53 PM)

2nd try, same unit.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:29:27 PM)

T17 Moscow. I'm sure this game is going to earn the nick name "for a few MPs more". If only I had a few more MPs to get across the river, Moscow would be mine.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:31:16 PM)

T17. Trey re-occupies Tula temporarily.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:33:02 PM)

T17. SS Motorised pushes towards Voronezh.


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karonagames -> RE: 1941 Campaign all 255turns! Bob vs Trey (9/30/2010 12:35:51 PM)

T17. One more turn of clear and Stalino would have been mine (Big hint to the big eye in the sky!!)


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