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Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 12:32:37 AM)

Naturally this is the rest of the Baltic states/southern Leningrad area. I'll leave a forted up division in Talinin.then air in supplies if i have no shipping ability.

Not happy with this front at all but am moving to give-up land and seal off choke points.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 12:37:31 AM)

Status Quo in the north but soon to change.....glad I get some reinforcements here soon.

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Jim D Burns -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 4:14:02 AM)

Screenshot shows you have 110 APs, I'd spend them to get some forts up in rear area cities that you know you'll be fighting for but lack units to put into them right now. They can help get the fortification levels up while most of your line units go into the front lines right now.

Later you can disband them when you have combat units to spare or the fighting reaches the city.

Jim



randallw -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 5:28:35 AM)

There seemed to be an armored division digging in on the wrong side of the river; it was on the screenshot of the Baltic area.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 7:18:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: randallw

There seemed to be an armored division digging in on the wrong side of the river; it was on the screenshot of the Baltic area.



I have an infantry division in a lvl2 fortification on the wrong side of a major river near Vietbiesk. Nobody caught the whole armoured corps down on the Romanian front I forgot to move! With the hq left uncovered to boot! Sheesh!

Jim,that is an excellent point,I was going to make 3 army commander changes,but selected location forts might be a better use at the moment.

Amazon.com must be happy.I ordered 2 Glantz titles: Clash of Titans and Kursk,hey its the holiday and I'd already shelled-out $75+ for the game. Since there is no reasonable quality dvd of Cross of Iron i went with a cheap in price but very interesting war-movie called: "Attack" starring Jack Palance,Eddie Albert,Lee Marvin,Buddy Epsen and a brief appearance by Struther-Martin.

Next the Smolensk,Glantz 2 book series followed by his 3 book Stalingrad series. Yea,ole dave Glantz must be fairly pleased with Gary and Joel.



randallw -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 7:58:14 AM)

I was talking about the division near the intersection of the Sorot and Sinyaya rivers....which you then reinforced with a few more divisions ( on the West or South side of a river ).

Getting units out of the marshes requires rail transport, unless you like shoving units one or two hexes per turn.




Jim D Burns -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 10:00:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
Jim,that is an excellent point,I was going to make 3 army commander changes,but selected location forts might be a better use at the moment.


Boy I’d hate to be giving bad advice. I just don’t know enough about the game yet to say one way or the other if the points are better spent on commander changes vs. forts in critical cities. Forts will have an effect for sure, but will that effect out weigh a better commander for an entire army? I just don’t know.

Perhaps a mix of the two. Get rid of one or two really bad commanders and fortify the most critical cities that you can afford to after that. Until we all have 20 or 30 games under our belt, weighing the benefits vs. the costs of doing one or the other, or even a mix of the two, is a real tossup.

Jim



comsolut -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 2:11:53 PM)

Just wanted to say hi, let you know that I am reading your efforts with interest. Hgilmer3 and I are currently locked in a PBEM RT Leningrad, and I am learning the Russian side of things.

Looking at the books you mentioned, so thank you for posting that.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 6:32:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: comsolut

Just wanted to say hi, let you know that I am reading your efforts with interest. Hgilmer3 and I are currently locked in a PBEM RT Leningrad, and I am learning the Russian side of things.

Looking at the books you mentioned, so thank you for posting that.


Not a problem on the books and thanks for your interest in this embryonic aar! Feel free to post opinions,advice,criticism and weather reports for northeastern Ohio![;)]

Jim,I have been trying to attach some construction units to my boys and get them to "DIG" as fast as they can. I think I have given a bit too much credit to those NKVD border guards,slaughtering civis and shooting your own men in the back does not an infantry soldier make.

Well moses got the turn back to me,better face the music and open her up. More to come........



comsolut -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 7:20:45 PM)

Picked up two of the books you mentioned Clash of Titans and Smolensk (vol 1) from Amazon, due here tomorrow (got to love Amazon). Again thanks.

Advice, I don't know, Hgilmer3 is teaching me how not to do things as the Russians so until I get a bit more experienced I will probably be just a lurker. BUT a very interested one.

Good luck with the campaign!



randallw -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 9:15:52 PM)

You just have to look at the equipment page of the border regiments and see they are not worth much; no AT guns, no regular artillery or even mortars.  In a big war they are just targets.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 9:23:27 PM)

Alright,the following screen-shots are after the Axis{REALLY,REALLY,BAD GUYS}and before the Soviet{Common Man,GOOD GUYS}respective turns.

What this means is that I would like some constructive input,ie...I wish to appropriate good ideas to pull Santa's chestnuts out of the fire,so start lavishing the wisdom people.

here we have the Romanian front before the soviet turn#3 move........yes,the armored corps I forgot to move let Rum cav and the 22nd air-landing division help pocket some of my boys!



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Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 9:28:13 PM)

Here is a problem I have,I didn't/means i forgot to move a Red armored corps to cover my northern Rum front. Now i have about 2 corps worth of troops pocketed. He has exposed his panzer division and 2 Rum Cav Brigades and 22nd Air-landing div,which is stacked with the Rum cav. Options?

1)Attack and try relief of the pocket?

2) Use those divisions as a delay and keep falling back and digging in?

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randallw -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 9:29:12 PM)

I'd disband those NKVD regiments, move the airborne to a safe place way in the rear, disband the forts, and get that mech corps on the Eastern side of the Dnestr.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 9:35:36 PM)

Marsh area,more problems sorry to say. I had a corps fairly roughly handled falling back into the marshes from the north. These troops can barely move and German Cavalry have cut them off from using the rail line this turn.

My forces in contact with the Germans on the western edge of the Marshes are hard pressed by German forces and cannot bound back far enough to separate from the Germans.

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Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 9:39:12 PM)

Need to run an errand,more to follow: Central/Smolensk front,Vitebsk southern Baltic's front,Northern south of Leningrad front,Leningrad front and Moscow military district. Also the various losses and stat screens.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 10:55:28 PM)


He seems to have left me alone on the central front this turn,bringing more forces forward. Basically getting his infantry forward,reducing my Minsk pocket and positioning for another drive.

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Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 10:58:41 PM)

More forces moving forward,Riga reduced but the hard pressure eased off me for a turn...lets see if it was long enough.

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Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 11:03:30 PM)

Thought I'd see 1 or 2 panzer and a mobile division or 2 race up here. We shall see what gets unleashed this turn in the northern Baltic's,but I have time to get outa dodge.

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Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 11:05:26 PM)

And what passes for the Great White North of Leningrad town Front.

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Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 11:08:11 PM)

More divisions activating and readying in the Moscow area. I need to look at using the population to build fortifications.

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Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 11:13:20 PM)

Losses for both sides as of start Soviet turn#3:

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Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 11:22:08 PM)

I have a number of divisions that arrived this turn as reinforcements! Yay! Here is one of those divisions in Leningrad:



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kfmiller41 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/22/2010 11:52:38 PM)

Well Tophat I can only give you advice based on what is happening to me. As for that pocket your thinking of trying to save, if you want to delay him at the cost of those divisions plus whatever you use to keep supply open to that pocket, go ahead. It is either that or fall back and let those troops die this next turn. You get an extra week tying down German troops for the loss of troops. Up to you which way you leap. I tried opening the hole and it is costly but you have time and room down south.

As for the center, you had better get some troops in a second line near Smolensk or your inviting a big pocket there as you have no depth tot he defense that I can see. If he recons that and decides to go thru it could be bad. You defense otherwise seems good to me.

I decided to take most of my rail and evacuate Odessa, Kiev and Leningrad factories in the last 2 turns and bringing up only small groups of troops. He will have to stop and take a breath before the next lunge (which might be what he is doing up north and in the center) so get some depth if you can.

How are you using your Air Force? I put all of it in the National reserve and have been feeding it back a little at a time to rear area bases so I can start to fight back a little at a time.

More to follow.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/23/2010 3:32:14 AM)

I kept my airforce in place and did nothing but allow the "ai" to handle it. Though i did do some supply missions and tried my had at bombing forward panzer/mobile divisions. From what I saw the tactical bombing attacks didn't do much,perhaps it lowered his MP's,I don't know.

In regards to Industry,yes i need to make sure my Leningrad factories,especially that KV-1 plant is headed East soonest. Just need to make sure the destination city has enough manpower to handle that factory!

As to my defense,bringing up more boys....Infantry goes into the line,it re-leaves armor/mobile forces in 1st line that go into 2nd line duty. I know my defense invites a breakthough,during this movement phase need to start sorting it out.

Kinda disappointed I have no suggestion/critique from a beta-tester yet. Such is life,one of the good things about going in the first wave of aar's is you don't need to measure-up to some benchmark a gifted or lucky player has already set.



Jim D Burns -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/23/2010 6:57:37 AM)

If your tank division can reach the hex three hexes east of Tarnopol, you can pocket his panzers (assuming recon has seen everything he has east of Tarnopol). Then move an infantry division NE of your tank division to keep him from easily isolating it. The loss of a week perhaps two for his panzers while they first extract themselves from the pocket and then reopen their supply lines to bring up fuel to move with is worth the loss of a few divisions, you can afford it.

As to the units in your pocket, I'd move them SE and try and form a solid line north of the Rumanians so he has a hard time linking his northern panzers with Rumanian supply lines to the south. Germany’s big concern is time, so delay him every chance you get.

Don’t go for big offensives or risk whole armies, but when you have a chance to spend a few divisions with the potential of delaying an entire weeks advance for Germany, I say take it.

Jim



Jim D Burns -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/23/2010 7:04:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

More divisions activating and readying in the Moscow area. I need to look at using the population to build fortifications.


I don't think you can afford to keep these divisions around Moscow, you don’t have enough divisions at the front yet. Get them up to the Dnepr or area southwest of Leningrad ASAP to start digging in. use follow up forces to build your Moscow defense, after you have a solid front line in front of the Germans.

Jim



Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/23/2010 8:30:42 AM)

Jim you have a point,I either run away and loose already pocketed divisions for no real gain or.....

or I use the boys to aggressively buy time. Moses has the 14th;11th;13th;16thPzDivs and the 16th Mot;25th Mot;Wiking and L.A.H SS Divs in this salient. i intend to isolate them and at the same time attack the 2 Rum cav bgd's and 22nd Air-landing division to open supply-line to my pocketed troops.

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Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/23/2010 11:16:14 AM)

Well Jim I was able to pocket those German mobile divisions and really surround the 14th pz Division! My corps attack vs 2 Rum cav bgd's and the 22 air-landing division failed. Not a bad delay tactic.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/23/2010 11:18:44 AM)

Lets do this again with the picture showing my glorious Soviet counter attack!

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