RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)

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randallw -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/24/2010 10:49:38 PM)
Best for Soviets to wait on attacking until the weather turns bad. If you play as the Axis you'll notice that German units tend to have experience ratings around 80; as the Sovs you see they are usually around 30-35. So there you go.

kfmiller41 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/24/2010 11:16:46 PM)
Have to agree with everyone else, he has taken a big risk putting those units across the river on so narrow a frontage. You can definitely cause him trouble and delay him some more there. In the south your doing way better than I have in holding him up and battling. Just be careful of your line north of vinnista. If his recon sees that and he decided to punch thru there you could end up with a bigger pocket, seeing how aggressive your opponent is, it could happen[:D]

randallw -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/25/2010 3:09:01 AM)
There's only a few Soviet divisions near the border worthy of going on the attack; these have the T-34s, 28s, and KVs. The rest of the armor is thin armor cav tanks, DD tanks, some flamethrower tanks. Of course if you use them to attack they'll get tired out, and they'll get hurt worse once the Germans hit back.

kfmiller41 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/25/2010 4:54:23 AM)
True, but it is also trading men for time. It depends on where the fight is and how much is at risk. Alot of those soviet troops are gonna die anyway so if they can cause another weeks delay it is worth it. Several ways to play it out[;)] and it depends on your mindset[:D].

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/26/2010 4:12:41 AM)
Well the Finn's are in now and I'm falling back in what i hope to be a methodical manner. Naturally the fortress units will buy time for whats mobile to drop back. That is on the Northern Front screen shot not shown here. In the Leningrad area i have shell divisions filling out while the more combat worthy are moving forward to delay my opponent. Frankly I had thought he'd be closer to Leningrad and go for taking that city in 41'. [image]local://upfiles/19413/06BA1EE89F5E4FAE84FE4C6CAEF847E8.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/26/2010 4:17:42 AM)
here is where the Finn's have come in turn 4! I am falling all units that can move back to a shorter frontage. Some of my units are still frozen,we shall see what next turn brings. [image]local://upfiles/19413/3AC7948E6D924359A00191E06BC4C3E4.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/26/2010 4:20:03 AM)
The soviets did have some limited success here this turn. We isolated a mobile and panzer division as well as a Panzer Corps HQ! Limiting those formations supplies will buy me another turn with luck before Leningrad is directly threatened. I need to get the forts around Leningrad up to level 5 asap. [image]local://upfiles/19413/684DD1C083804C65A38D94902BCEC358.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/26/2010 4:25:09 AM)
Again a mixed bag,my aerial recon shows he is not in strength north of Vitebsk. [image]local://upfiles/19413/A430C91020CA4E68896F542FEFAB1B71.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/26/2010 4:29:14 AM)
Not happy here at all,I threw a whole mech corps at the Lehr pzbdg and got them to retreat! That was good but my follow on forces didn't have enough movement points/morale or whatever to attck after moving into the hex vacated by Lehr! So I only surround with a ZOC the forces Moses has over the river. I have more divisions on the way to the Smolensk area,but many are shells and i need 2 turns to fill out these divisions. [image]local://upfiles/19413/D81AB488B05E442D84E286297F4F5784.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/26/2010 4:40:33 AM)
Yes i am moving troops out of the Marshes! Yes the Germans have cut off direct rail retreat for the far western forces and extrication if possible will be slow. In the Gommel area yes I am using airborne troops,yes they are valuable and cannot be replaced. Simply at the moment i have no one else available in that area so they pull the duty. [image]local://upfiles/19413/039FC620D36A4C8CB7083C6CF45DE1EE.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/26/2010 4:43:52 AM)
Too tired will post later after the mental fog clears [image]local://upfiles/19413/DA443D9C19314B5B95AA25DB7C96F3FD.jpg[/image]

randallw -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/26/2010 5:29:55 AM)
There may not be much good reason to have your HQs right at the front; you can keep them up to 5 hexes back and they should provide the same leadership.

ComradeP -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/26/2010 10:24:54 AM)
Tophat, how did you attack Lehr? It would seem that, for example, those 3-15 or 3-16 Rifle divisions should have more than enough MP's to move into a single enemy ZOC hex after Lehr vacated it.

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 6:28:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ComradeP Tophat, how did you attack Lehr? It would seem that, for example, those 3-15 or 3-16 Rifle divisions should have more than enough MP's to move into a single enemy ZOC hex after Lehr vacated it. I hit Lehr with infantry that was adjacent,first attacks failed. I pulled those 2 infantry divs out,plugged in 2 fresh Infantry Div and sent him retreating. I moved an armored corps in(2 armor divs and a mobile dive)they didn't have enough movement to attack. So didin't widen the salient or have room to put in another div to complete the isolation move.

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 6:30:14 AM)
Still trying to buy as much time as possible,I have divisions forming and moving west but seems i will need most of them in the north. I isolated 3 panzer divisions,1 motorized division and the Slovakian brigade/dividion.so not bad. [image]local://upfiles/19413/4163499F935B4883A9635C840E719E20.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 6:35:49 AM)
Romanian armored division held vs my attack so limited joy there. I did force 1 Romanian infantry division to retreat but failed in other attacks to isolate more Axis forces. My attacks cost me heavy losses,but if i buy another turn or 2 I more than break even. At least that is the plan. [image]local://upfiles/19413/768892C86FF34A61A201A799DB9054C6.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 6:45:58 AM)
Here is a look at my turn#5 situation before my turns movements: Comments welcome of course.Plan here is to pull back and delay the Finn's. [image]local://upfiles/19413/96D0D3AC47284FC1B61F7B1D4B9413FF.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 6:54:04 AM)
Somewhat surprised given how aggressive my opponent is that a major run on Leningrad wasn't made.Now to build forts and more forts here. [image]local://upfiles/19413/91479D0498A24ED1B6B3D891141D4486.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 6:59:39 AM)
Well here we are then. He relieved his isolated divisions and is committed to the south of Pskov sweepto the northeast.

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:00:53 AM)
This time lets try it with a screen shot for illustration. [image]local://upfiles/19413/5265504D7C55496486C77D2F2AFEF12F.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:07:14 AM)
Somewhat quiet in the Vitebsk area,given that north and south of Vitebsk things seem to be going to hell. I'll save more drama for my south of Smolensk screen shot. [image]local://upfiles/19413/DE952E076D86475EB2EB58C661E290F6.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:12:25 AM)
Well my failure to isolate his panzers across "BIG RIVER"(yea,I forgot the name)has cost me. I see 1 lone pzDiv he has out there I can isolate. Comments? [image]local://upfiles/19413/CE4BCFF490154DB99B6695D38635C0EF.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:16:17 AM)
Glad this nasty geographic barrier is here at the moment,keeps my southern forces from being enveloped from the north. [image]local://upfiles/19413/55816F742E864EF69612557F1813EF68.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:22:59 AM)
Well,yes I wasn't understating it.things went to hell alright. I defended too far forward and was caught,now its pull back what i can and construct a line time. In the south I can trade land for time and that is now what i need to do. Hey the Germans did make it into Rostov in 41'...... [image]local://upfiles/19413/44A9338F41B1431FAA6157A9615ACBE7.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:27:18 AM)
Well my desire to delay as far forward as possible has blown-up on me! [image]local://upfiles/19413/D7AE77F9C5E6412BA2EB641C05F454D9.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:31:02 AM)
Here my forces have a coherent line at least. [image]local://upfiles/19413/487327DC62C34D47B998FF5978A05482.jpg[/image]

randallw -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:31:59 AM)
That big river is the Dnepr.

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:34:44 AM)
Here are the current loss reports,soon some 10-15+ divisions currently pocketed will be added to the tally... [image]local://upfiles/19413/288E0727A6BA4E51A41D1A66FCA60FD8.jpg[/image]

Tophat1815 -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:39:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: randallw That big river is the Dnepr. Thanks,just looked at the map as I make new screen shots and saw that. But "Big River" has such panache. Any tactical advice to go along with the geography lesson randallw?

randallw -> RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends) (12/27/2010 7:40:37 AM)
You can just surrender and start a new game. [;)] [:D] What's your dead unit count so far?

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