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Walloc -> RE: Axis Players Think Tank (1/26/2011 3:25:36 PM)
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ORIGINAL: BigAnorak
It also looks like Axis inability to capture key manpower centres is allowing the Red Army to recruit large numbers of additional men - the recruitment multiplier in 1941 is quite high.
So it looks like the challenge for the Axis Player remains reducing Red Army strength, while capturing the Manpower centres to prevent them recovering their strength. This then leads to the ability to get Kharkov and the Donbas cities before the blizzard, and still be able to put a decent defence together. Personally I am finding this very hard to do, and am having to send many more Panzers divisions south than were there historically, this in turn means I can't get close to Tula and Voronezh.
Keep the info coming.
Hi BigAnorak,
I get ur point, that said i've played a couple of vs AI Axis CGs now, capturing both Leningrad and Moscow. So going beyond what u describe. I've thot of pointing it out earlier and chatted a bit with Joel about it.
With the current evacuation rules and my experince of how it works im not sure how much effect taking Kharkov and Donbas cities would make.
I've been sorta attentive to this point and even if u make sure that soviets only get one evac roll on cities if at all possible. U many times see those cities with 5-6-7 pop points left after the single evac. I mean 5-6 cities with lets say 6 points each is 36 points plus surrounding minor cities shouldnt be more than 100 pop points setting a high figur. Thats 5,500 in '41 and 5000 men lost per turn. Ofc its some thing, but i dont see it making a huge difference.
I tried to research it a bit but as i dont speak any russian im pretty much left with sources in english where the relability of the figurs is prolly questionble. Im sure Pavel can do much better with sources.
Non the less the figurs in those english sources is between 1-2m officially evacuated. Prolly more on own hand, but still.
Thats with 2m, 40 pop points. I see lots more evacuated currently.
Other than that there are some holes, i can understand from a game mechanism point of view but still from sense point of view makes little sense.
Historicly tho surronded Leningrad wasnt massivly evacuated.
Taken it a few times where its been totally surrounded including Lake Lagoda it usually only has around 20% left of the pop and the rest is evaced. How 2-3 million people can sneak through german lines is ofc some thing of a mystery.
U could ofc argue they been evaced before hand. Point here being historicly there is nothing to support that would happen on such a large scale.
The real funny thing is ofc if u leave it to '42 before u capture non is evaced tho its the exact same situasion.
Sure i understand u have to make some rules and the simpler usually the better, but it does leave some non sense situasion.
In 1 game where i had taken both Moscow and Leningrad tho both totally surrounded the evac of those cities was pretty complete. Chita had a population of just below 20mil. Thats several times the population of Moscow. Thats alot of houses that have to be build in the mongolian winter to support that amount of people.[:D]
Again chit happens with randomness but it wasnt like it was the only city people had evaced too, so it says alot of amount of evacing that currently takes place in game.
Maybe there should be some modifiers, like from isolation and so on. The futher east u go the less evacs and so on so less is evaced.
Other than that the strain it would put on the RR evacing so large numbers doesnt seem to be counted into RR capacity.
In some sense u are penalized as axis for doing well in '41 vs '42 where there is no evac any more.
Sorry for semi russian side high jacking the thread but u brought it up.
Kind regards,
Rasmus
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