RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)

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Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/2/2011 6:08:25 PM)
June 18, 1942 Subs I-29 penetrates the harbor at Umnak Island and torpedoes an xAK with troops aboard. Several squads are destroyed (probably SeeBees) but she doesn't sink. An escorting DD takes advantage of the shallow water to score a nasty penetrating hit (61 Flot), so I-29 will pump out in the Japanese Aleutians and then head home. IJN escorts chase Shark away from a small tanker convoy hauling Oil from Medan. 4th Fleet Marcus makes level 3 forts. SE Fleet Merauke is at 1.89 airfield. As soon as it hits level 2 we will give CF's B-17s over Horn Island about 30 Nicks to play with. MKB arrives at Babel and begins a period of R&R. We also unite with CV Hiyo and BB Yamato there (although Yamato will be used in another task force, the super-BB will hitch a ride with MKB to Truk). 14th Army About to finish off the last central PI bases. 16th Army No change. 25th Army Pakanbaroe occupied. Only Padang is left on Sumatra proper. 15th Army Planning continues for Operation Barracuda, the air and naval assault on the enemy's massed Hurricanes at Chittagong. We will use subs to determine CF's air search limits (if any), then hit the base with an LCTF to clear PTs, followed by a fast bombardment force. At dawn, two Zero groups will sweep, followed by IJAAF bombers. Moon is currently 32%, we will await at least 70%. China We are marching on Wuchow and Kweilin in force. Today is D minus 2 for an airborne assault on Kweilin designed to cut the rail line rather than take the base. Today our main army moved adjacent to Wuchow, so CF should begin to react tomorrow. The northern pincer forces will be in place tomorrow and jump off the LoD for their objective the next day. In the central front all is confusion, which is ideal. 5th Fleet Cribtop HQ orders a detailed study of defensive requirements for the Kuriles and Hokkaido based on a disturbing report from the Fringe Division about some dude named GreyJoy. See GreyJoy's AAR for my tongue in cheek writeup on this. Seriously, in Scenario 1 it will be a challenge to scrape up the ground forces needed prior to the reinforcements due in late 43 and 44. For the moment we will increase picket ships and air search, but this topic will require some serious staff time. Not that CF can do much in 1942 about the northern approach, especially because we control the western Aleutians, but no one can read the last few pages of GJ's AAR without considering the implications.

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/4/2011 12:04:19 AM)
June 18, 1942 If CF has any doubt we are up to something in Southern China, tomorrow his doubts will be erased. Subs Getting close to launching a variety of similar boats as wolfpacks to swarm various targets. I-28, with its hand-picked search and recon trained Glen pilot, commences Operation Barracuda by leaving Singapore. SCTFs leave port tomorrow. Snapper duds on a DD near Babar. 4th Fleet No change. SE Fleet MKB's air groups are checked over and found to have not lost a single pilot since Singapore. Nice. Tomorrow Meruake hits level 2 airfield. The Nick group moves in today and is warming up their engines. We are using Mavis transports to withdraw a small SNLF Company from Ndeni to bolster the Tulagi garrison. 14th Army No change. 16th Army Waingapoe occupied. 25th Army No change. 15th Army Engineers offloaded at Rangoon board trains for bases to be improved. China Tomorrow we will hit Kweilin with bombers and drop paratroopers. We do not expect to take the base as the unit is small (it was originally intended to drop adjusted AV by half until Mike Solli advised us that halving doesn't occur). Intention is to occupy the hex and prevent CF from using the rail line to ship reinforcements from the central front for as long as possible. The northern pincer of Red Dragon begins its offensive as scheduled. Other BB California is off the sunk list. Based on the good advice of our readers, we locate all combat engineers in Manchuria and order them to move to Port Arthur by rail. They will be bought out and used on the perimeter.

ChezDaJez -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/5/2011 4:43:06 AM)
quote: Cribtop HQ orders a detailed study of defensive requirements for the Kuriles and Hokkaido based on a disturbing report from the Fringe Division about some dude named GreyJoy. See GreyJoy's AAR for my tongue in cheek writeup on this. The Kuriles and Hokkaido are at the mercy of the Allied player in the first half of 1942 in scenarios 1 and 2. The Kuriles especially are wide open to invasion. There are no developed airfields and no troops. The major problem is the restricted land units in the Home Islands cannot be used for defence of the Kuriles and you cannot send restricted troops to or from Hokkaido via ship. You can airlift troops to Hokkaido only (it is attached to the General Defence) but any equipment too large to be airlifted will be left behind. That means no movement of CD units, construction units with heavy equipment, armor, large caliber artillary, etc, etc, etc... And if you think you will just simply reassign the Kurile bases to the General Defense HQ, try again. The bases are permanently assigned to the 5th Fleet HQ. You can move land units from Manchuria but you do have to pay PP points. You can also take them from your Philippine and Malayan invasion forces but then you weaken those efforts. You could take them from the 4th fleet but again only at the cost of severely delaying the expansion of your perimeter or by weakening yourself in crtitcal areas. The same problem exists with air units. Float planes and sea-based search aircraft can operate from the Kuriles if you bring an AV or CS along. All of the bases in the Kuriles start without airfields and without troops of any kind. Once you do build airbases in the Kuriles, finding the aircraft to man them won't be easy. Most of the air units that are readily available are restricted to the Home Islands so you must get them from other theaters. CanoeRebel easily invaded the northern most 2 Kurile islands and I was powerless to stop him from building those bases up. Once I did get bases built, I was able to largely isolate them from most resupply efforts. Some still do get through though. And I cannot stop him from reinforcing his airforces on the islands. I swwep them often to keep them down to manageable levels. I find that this also trains nugget pilots much faaster than normal training does. I am able to cull the survivors and place them in other units. I lose a lot of pilots and planes but overall its worth the effort. Chez

princep01 -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/5/2011 5:04:21 AM)
Chez, those are interesting observations. However, having played the Allies a few times, I have a different prespective. You note that the Japanese are vulnerable in the Kuriles in the first half of 1942. Hummm, I guess I don't disagree, but I also know how hard it is for the Allies to scrape up the troops to invade the Kuriles that early while trying to defend some important real estate.. Never mind the Japanese carriers and the threat they present. Even taking KB out of the picture, assuming it is known to be far away bashing Ceylon or some such, the Allies just don't have much available to go take those islands. But, even if they do, what do they get.....islands without bases...just like the Japanese. So, they are faced with the same dilema as the Japanese there. While the Allies can do it and can scrape up the troops and construction units to build the bases, it will be slow going. The invasion isn't practical until the Spring of 42. So, the Japanese have that long to put a rudimentary force in place. It can be done in that time period, but it would never be my route of choice until, at least, after mid 42. And, of course, the KB and friends might just decide to go take them back. In 1942, its a good bet the Allies would lose the entire invasion force if the Japanese really wanted those islands back.

ny59giants -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/5/2011 2:01:34 PM)
Basing Restricted air units in the Kuriles - Here's how 1) Pay PP to buy out a small AA gun unit (use 5th Fleet). 2) Transport small AA to a base in Kuriles 3) You need have an unit with the Command you want to change the base to present. Thus, pay PP to change AA unit back to "General Defense." 4) Now you can pay the PP to change the base to "General Defense." I used the 51st BF at Etorofu and now I can send my Restricted air units at this base for defense of the rest of the Kuriles. Nice to get some Nells up there with Zeros as escorts. [:)]

Grfin Zeppelin -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/5/2011 2:36:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Basing Restricted air units in the Kuriles - Here's how 1) Pay PP to buy out a small AA gun unit (use 5th Fleet). 2) Transport small AA to a base in Kuriles 3) You need have an unit with the Command you want to change the base to present. Thus, pay PP to change AA unit back to "General Defense." 4) Now you can pay the PP to change the base to "General Defense." I used the 51st BF at Etorofu and now I can send my Restricted air units at this base for defense of the rest of the Kuriles. Nice to get some Nells up there with Zeros as escorts. [:)] Very true, you can also use an airfield unit from the 11 flottila, they are attached to general defense. Airlift the HQ and Hokkaido is uh hot like Cribtop says.

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/5/2011 5:44:01 PM)
Great discussion and a very useful trick, nygiants! I have so far deployed the limited ground reinforcements that come for 5th Fleet and put a few base forces into PJ, Shimushiri and Etoforu. Toyohara and the other Sakhalin base are also garrisoned. All these bases are at roughly airfield level 2 and forts 3 and digging. Still, use of the method described is very handy to get more a/c and troops into place. Thanks for the tip. Also, I don't see this as remotely gamey as Japan considered the Kuriles part of the Home Islands so I see no issue with moving General Defense troops there from a realism standpoint.

ny59giants -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/5/2011 5:54:20 PM)
You can move Restricted air groups to Formosa, but not the Kuriles. WTF!?! OT - We can talk now, because a week from today one of us my not be very friendly after Sunday night's game. [:D]

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/5/2011 5:57:43 PM)
And we are both depressed after yesterday. [8\|]

Canoerebel -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/5/2011 6:02:10 PM)
It was quite a miserable weekend for Georgia folks too. First, the Dawgs got clobbered by LSU. Then the Falcons, which ought to be hitting their stride now (decent team with a veteran quarterback), look flat against the Texans and lose (this following tepid performances against the woeful Vikings and Colts). When your veteran team is playing tepidly in December, you know it doesn't have any long-term prospects for success.

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/5/2011 6:17:57 PM)
June 20, 1942 Subs Escorts of a convoy bearing engineers to Rangoon chase off S-41. 4th Fleet No change. SE Fleet The CVE Raiders launch from Truk and head back northeast with odd destinations and home ports set. Intention is to confuse the enemy as to the direction of our next raid, dubbed Operation Kraken. The Raiders will RV with Oilers and AMCs east of Honshu. The AMCs will then serve as scouts and "Aggie Oilers" as the force moves through the gap between Midway and Umnak Island in search of prey. MKB continues to enjoy Saki at Babel. Cribtop HQ plans to move to Truk for a while and will intentionally overstay the July upgrades in case CF has an operation planned to catch us in the yards. Base forces land at Gasmata and Kavieng to build up those bases. Merauke hits level 2 airfield just as the B-17s return to Horn Island. CF's pattern is to bomb for 3 days in a row here, so the Nicks will LRCAP Horn tomorrow. 14th Army No change. 16th Army No change. 25th Army Nias occupied. 15th Army Tomorrow the Operation Barracuda fleet leaves Singapore bound for Chittagong. China Still marching both north and south. Armor will move one hex closer to Kweilin tomorrow. Today we use our elite Helen group to hit the base force at Kweilin for 167(1) casualties. Then our small para unit drops in. As expected they can't take the base, but the enemy has no offensive AS here and we get closer than expected, with 1:2 odds, casualties 39(1) to nil. We will fly in supplies and continue to bomb, trying another SA in a few days that might actually take the base. It has 2 forts, though. Of course, this tactical stalemate serves our operational ends nicely as the rail line to the KMT's big armies in central China is now cut. CF's only available reserves are at Chungking, and they will soon have to choose between saving Kweilin and Liuchow or rescuing Kienko and protecting the Capital itself. So far, so good. But Red Dragon is still in its infancy.

PaxMondo -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/6/2011 4:41:58 AM)
Can you post a map update depicting Red Dragon? Thanks!

Saros -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/6/2011 7:02:40 AM)
Also where are you getting 30 Nicks from in june '42? I can only find a single 12 plane unrestricted unit to put them in in my late june Scen 1 game other than permR units. Its a pain as I would really like to have some more to use as bomber interceptors.

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/6/2011 6:36:36 PM)
First, my economics advisors (Mike and Michael) ensured I had plenty of Nicks - thanks! Second, I'm playing with PDU on, so a good number of groups can upgrade to Nick. I found a big one in the Home Islands, converted it and bought it out (cost me a training group, but I have seemingly limitless numbers of restricted IJAAF training groups so no big loss). I'll check what group it is tonght. Pax - I'll post that map. It won't look too different yet but IMHO now that the rail is cut and my troops have gotten the jump I suspect Japan wins the race to Kweilin and Liuchow. What happens next depends in part on where CF chooses to move his central armies (his options are constrained here due to partial encirclement) and where he commits his strategic reserve at Chungking.

adm -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/6/2011 11:33:34 PM)
Cuttlefish has not posted anything in a month, is everything all right with him? [:(]

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/7/2011 2:55:59 AM)
adm, that is news to me. [:(] He's been on vacation for most of Thanksgiving week but we've been doing 1 turn a day for months. In fact, if anyone's been the holdup it's been me as I've had a few business trips, sick daughters, etc.

adm -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/7/2011 3:05:55 AM)
Well I hope everything is all right, and he is just busy with the fun parts of Real Life.

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/7/2011 3:11:36 AM)
June 21, 1942 A well executed ambush delivers disappointing results. Subs An IJN ASW TF harasses O-16 near Miri. A Glen boat returning to Kwaj spots a small CL/DD convoy bound for Pearl but is not in position to intercept. 4th Fleet No change. SE Fleet We get 16 Nicks in the air over Horn Island to greet 14 B-17s. This is not good as usually day 2 of CF's 3 day bombing pattern sees some of the 4Es left at home. We had hoped for something more like 16 to 8, as numbers are the key to hitting the 4Es on multiple attack passes. We do get a lot of damaged enemy planes reported, and the Nick proves to be pretty durable itself, but in the end we lose 3 planes and 1 pilot for no reported enemy losses, either A2A or Ops. We'll try again tomorrow but wonder whether the enemy will come back now that we've rudely interrupted his training efforts. Question - would equipping drop tanks put more Nicks over Horn Island (we have to LRCAP from Merauke)? 14th Army Tagbilaran is occupied and Bacolod falls to a DA, forcing the surrender of an enemy regiment. This concludes the long delayed conquest of the Central PI. 16th Army Nothing today, but we almost have the airfields built to allow our interceptors to try their luck against a much smaller group of B-17s that visit Daly Waters regularly. 25th Army Working to get engineers building up bases. A base force lands at Waingapoe to support an airfield there. 15th Army Indes Fleet is en route to Chittagong. China CF uses Chinese air force Hudsons in the first offensive air mission of the war for the KMT at Kweilin. I guess we made him nervous. 1 enemy LCU is on the march from Liuchow to destroy our paras, but our armored spearhead is closing in pretty fast - 2 hexes away but they've moved 29 miles of the hex they're in. I'll post a screenie shortly.

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/7/2011 3:16:15 AM)
adm, he has had some RL stuff, almost all of it fun, lately. Maybe writer's block? He seemed to think his storyline was going well but is his own worst critic, as many writers are. Obviously I don't know how it's going (see title of my AAR [:)]). He certainly hasn't had anything bad occur in awhile except for his Tigers losing in the playoffs.

Saros -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/7/2011 4:51:49 AM)
How strange. PDU on here as well just nothing has the ability to upgrade to Nicks. I know the group in the home islands you are talking about but for me it is perma restricted and can't be bought out so I have left it with nates.

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/7/2011 5:24:19 AM)
Weird. FYI, I checked and it's the 5th Sentai.

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/8/2011 3:26:58 AM)
Per request, here is the status of Operation Red Dragon. We are only showing the southern area as the northern pincer is just one stack marching over a river for now. [image]local://upfiles/29885/727B8A67B10D48D58F522FB3B0E54C7B.jpg[/image] The main army is at Wuchow and will DA against 4 enemy LCUs tomorrow. CF will then see we have elite Southern Army troops in theater. Our armor is closing on Kweilin, a small para unit will block the rail line at Kweilin as long as possible before dying for the Emperor. The KMT only has 8 LCUs near Liuchow, 4 of which are at Nanning and 1 of which recon shows is a base force. CF is moving 2 LCUs toward Kweilin, but robbed the Liuchow garrison to do so. 13th Army will soon pop up near the 12 LCU stack at Kanshien to pin that force. In the center, the enemy is focused on pulling its big stack back to Changsha, but the best road is blocked by our forces. We are harassing here to keep CF's mind away from the real danger as long as possible.

Mike Solli -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/8/2011 3:28:12 AM)
Hmm, that's interesting, Cribtop. [:D] Edit: Darn, you fixed it too fast.

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/8/2011 3:35:01 AM)
A battle between the board's OCD members, Mike. [:D] I always proof and obsessively edit my posts. It's a sickness. [sm=crazy.gif]

Mike Solli -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/8/2011 3:37:55 AM)
What's your goal for Red Dragon?

Mike Solli -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/8/2011 3:38:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop A battle between the board's OCD members, Mike. [:D] I always proof and obsessively edit my posts. It's a sickness. [sm=crazy.gif] I understand. My wife doesn't understand but she lives with it. [:D]

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/8/2011 6:43:02 AM)
Mike, The Op is a pseudo-pincer move, with the southern pincer aimed at Kweiyang. The goal is to dislocate the Chinese position in southern and central China and gobble up as many industrial bases as possible. The hope is to economically strangle the KMT, allowing transfer of lots of troops to the perimeter to assist with stopping the Big Green Machine. The northern pincer, aimed at Kienko, is primarily intended to threaten the Chinese heartland and force CF to commit his strategic reserve in Chungking to stop it. If Kweiyang is unobtainable, we'll settle for a bit north of Liuchow; then turn up the good road to the back door to Changsha.

Mike Solli -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/8/2011 11:29:23 AM)
Yeah, that sounds really good. Couple more questions. I guess you'll pull the elite divisions should you be wildly successful. But, assuming you are successful, there will still be a significant (in numbers at least) Chinese army here and there. Do you have troops to replace those 4 divisions? They are going to be needed elsewhere. Also, should you not be successful (I'm confident you will be, but you need to plan for the worst), what's your plan for extracting those troops for the perimeter? I guess it's pretty much the same question. Also, it's nice to say you'll pull troops out of China, but that's what, a division a month maybe? The PP issue ain't going away.

Cribtop -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/8/2011 3:56:31 PM)
Great questions. Plan if we succeed: The final phase lines of the Op are designed to block up roads and other key choke points. More importantly, if we take a good chunk of the center it will actually shorten our lines significantly. Finally, recall that we have conquered or isolated all of northern China such that Mao's boys are just starving training targets for the IJAAF. All of this means that we should be able to hold the new lines with the China Expeditionary Army and pull at first the elite divisions out. Also, we have about four divisions currently in China that we bought out of Manchuria into Southern Army. Those troops will go to the perimeter next. Then it becomes a question of buying out more Manchurian and China divisions over time as we can afford the PPs and the reduction in China forces (if this works, the KMT will starve and lose combat power over time). If we fail: We should at a minimum be able to set up defensive positions near Liuchow in rough terrain, stabilizing the southern front, which until now has been pretty open to KMT counteroffensives given our focus up north. We should still be able to pull the elite guys out, but this would slow the ability to pull the four Manchurian divisions. We'd settle into a defensive posture and use what reserves we can scrape to finish off the ChiCom army at Yenan, allowing the forces freed up to bolster the new line. Biggest problem here would be a weak perimeter, and that would be bad. We'd probably focus on the DEI and inner perimeter, making the outer perimeter even more of a delaying action than normal. If we are wildly successful: Assume we take Kweiyang, which frankly we may not as CF probably can split his strat reserve at Chungking and hold it if so inclined (in which case we try for Changsha through the Kweilin road, which is still a pretty good win). OK, so if Kweiyang falls, we will launch a two way offensive out of Kweiyang and Burma to open a second LoC into Burma from China. We could post an army that would flank and frustrate the typical Allied Burma ground offensive. Likelihood of this is low, but this is the high upside contingency.

crsutton -> RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A) (12/8/2011 4:25:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop Great questions. Plan if we succeed: The final phase lines of the Op are designed to block up roads and other key choke points. More importantly, if we take a good chunk of the center it will actually shorten our lines significantly. Finally, recall that we have conquered or isolated all of northern China such that Mao's boys are just starving training targets for the IJAAF. All of this means that we should be able to hold the new lines with the China Expeditionary Army and pull at first the elite divisions out. Also, we have about four divisions currently in China that we bought out of Manchuria into Southern Army. Those troops will go to the perimeter next. Then it becomes a question of buying out more Manchurian and China divisions over time as we can afford the PPs and the reduction in China forces (if this works, the KMT will starve and lose combat power over time). If we fail: We should at a minimum be able to set up defensive positions near Liuchow in rough terrain, stabilizing the southern front, which until now has been pretty open to KMT counteroffensives given our focus up north. We should still be able to pull the elite guys out, but this would slow the ability to pull the four Manchurian divisions. We'd settle into a defensive posture and use what reserves we can scrape to finish off the ChiCom army at Yenan, allowing the forces freed up to bolster the new line. Biggest problem here would be a weak perimeter, and that would be bad. We'd probably focus on the DEI and inner perimeter, making the outer perimeter even more of a delaying action than normal. If we are wildly successful: Assume we take Kweiyang, which frankly we may not as CF probably can split his strat reserve at Chungking and hold it if so inclined (in which case we try for Changsha through the Kweilin road, which is still a pretty good win). OK, so if Kweiyang falls, we will launch a two way offensive out of Kweiyang and Burma to open a second LoC into Burma from China. We could post an army that would flank and frustrate the typical Allied Burma ground offensive. Likelihood of this is low, but this is the high upside contingency. From the Allied prespective China can be taken out. It will take about two years for a determined Japanese player but I think it is a must for all Japanese players. The key is Chungking as Chinese divisions do not return if Chungking is taken. The most important city on the map is Kweiyang. Once taken then the Allied player is faced with two unsolvable problems-Defending Chungking or Kumming. It is impossible to do both and splitting the Chinese army courts disaster on both fronts. For the Japanese player any stop short of Chungking means that the Chinese will eventually rebuild and contribute to the Allied counter offensive. Taking Chunking puts an end to this. If the Allies hold Kumming and points west, they can rebuild the Chinese army but will never have enough supply to make much use of it.

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