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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T99 (11/3/2011 6:51:12 AM)

T99: This is the situation in the NorthWest Front area. We're both waiting for the other shoe to drop I think. Maybe I should spread my guys out more. Get more forts building.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T99 (11/3/2011 7:53:05 AM)

I found a bunch of air bases still assigned to STAVKA so even though it's going to take the rest of the night I'm going to assign those
air bases to some higher HQ within range and maybe my losses will go down.

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horza66 -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T99 (11/3/2011 2:21:16 PM)

Larry,

A few detail things I think that might help you:

1) It looks like you have a single defence line in significant portions of the front. You're also strongly stacked. I may have missed it, but did you merge all your rifle brigades into divisions? I find a mass of these useful in '42. Firstly to carpet in front of a German assault, and secondly to help form a fort triple line. Two lines of brigades, behind the main line, all digging like fury with the backing of a mass of construction battalions in the Army HQ. When the Germans form up to assault (you have to recon heavily every turn), the main line retreats a step and a brigade advances into the forward fort to form a skirmish line. If the assault point is perfectly clear you can reinforce the skirmish line with a division as necessary - you want the German infantry to have to use up a deliberate attack on the skirmish line. The main line will get hammered back by the second wave of deliberate attack, but will hopefully just retreat into the third line. At this point he's likely going to need to commit panzers to breach the third line, severely reducing his exploitation MPs. On the turn after the assault the rifle brigades move to carpet the spearhead, choking it as you move in the Reserve armies to swamp, and the Shock armies to hit the spearhead and swap men for tanks.
I'm not sure whether you can find the units to move to a triple line defence very easily, but it should be doable over the course of the winter - you can expect a repeat of Operation Zitadelle, and you're going to need to absorb and throw it back to be able to move on to the offensive in '43.

2. Glad you're tidying up the VVS. With a bit of love and cultivation they can grow into a real Triffid for the Germans to deal with. I withdraw everything to rear areas in '41, putting all the biplanes into National Reserve as effectively training units. Once I have 200+ fighters with experience in the 60s I'll upgrade (always use manual upgrades) and commit them to a sector. Assuming they're holding their own as air cover I'll then do the same for any decent Shturmoviks and bombers in that sector. Take another evening and review what you have. Retire poor units into reserve, and try and ensure you have 200+ decent fighters and 200+ IL2s per front. There's nothing worse for exploiting panzers than being interdicted every hex by hundreds of FBs.

3. I realise the mud turns are a bit boring, but your sake and for that of the AAR you should take a close look at the length of the front. You should be trying to identify any opportunities for victories you can find. Attrition is the key here - hit him anywhere you can, even if it leads nowhere. Get your victories for Guards promotions, and for a decent kill ratio. He doesn't have enough units to cover the front anyway - force him to leave no weak points and gaps will start to open up.

I think you liked my aphorism about the Germans using Finesse, and the Soviets Mass - that's from the bad old days of pushing counters around the Fire in the East board. Here's another one : in 1942 the Germans can win Anywhere, but not Everywhere. The trick is to make sure you're winning battles where he is not.

I'll be interested to see what KLilly has planned for the Snow. The temptation will be strong to get a breach and another pocket before the Blizzard conditions slow down his panzers. (Bear in mind he *must* keep getting pockets to prevent you just steamrollering him with sheer numbers). You should be ready with reserves to meet that threat. I'm very suspicious of his voluntary withdrawal in the North. It didn't shorten his line that significantly - like Admiral Akbar, I sense a trap.




larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T99 (11/3/2011 5:54:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: horza66
... did you merge all your rifle brigades into divisions?

yes.
quote:

ORIGINAL: horza66
I'll be interested to see what KLilly has planned for the Snow.

me too.




larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T99 (11/3/2011 6:03:07 PM)

Here's the OOB, losses, destroyed units, and production:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T100 (11/4/2011 4:55:29 AM)

T100: Here's the front lines after the application of a lot of recon everywhere.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T102 (11/5/2011 1:08:42 AM)

T102: I've been doing roughly the same things these past 10 turns or so: Open the turn and scan the Logistics report then open the Commanders Report and sort the "%TOE" column so that you get an ascending column of your units. Click on the "Prtsn" filter to eliminate the Partisans from the listing. I've been putting those units 89% or lower on refit. And the units 90% or more are going on reserve or ready in that order. According to the scroll thumb about 1/10th of our units are on refit. Which means all the others are supposedly combat-ready.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T102 (11/5/2011 1:27:18 AM)

Before I moved any land units I thought I'd go through the airbases looking for groups to move to the NR ( those with planes less than 50% of their total planes, in other words planes that won't fly this turn ), and I found an air base that needed more planes on it and clicked on the wrong line and ooops there was all of a sudden an LI-2 transport at an IAD air base. I gotta remember to move that next turn or I might not get any use out of it at all.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T102 (11/5/2011 1:38:48 AM)

I bought a bunch of Rifle Divisions and a few Rifle Brigades. I'm in the process of building a bunch of Rifle Corps units.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T102 (11/5/2011 2:14:00 AM)

Here's my attacks such as they are. I'll post the losses after this.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T102 (11/5/2011 2:18:04 AM)

Here's the T102 OOB, losses, destroyed units, and production:



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paullus99 -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T102 (11/5/2011 1:20:20 PM)

Larry - have you starting putting together longer-term offensive strategies yet? Attacking for the sake of attacking is one thing (bleed your opponent), but you need to have some coherent objectives for what you need to accomplish. It seems that you have been very reactive in your thinking throughout the campaign - you need to start thinking six or seven turns ahead.




larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T103 (11/5/2011 4:28:51 PM)

Um......I'm just playing to have fun.  And KLilly and I are coming up on the '43 Axis offensive season.  I've been buying Rifle Divisions and building Rifle Corps with them so I have a couple dozen of them now.  There's still some weak spots in my front lines and KLilly is going to seriously take advantage of them.  He will break through my lines, make a serious pocket, kill lots of my guys and then after the offensive season it's Red Tide time.  Red Tide is when I open the age of attacking wide open.  Like I'm doing now but with more people.  I would like to reduce the front lines by taking back the south and then force the Axis against the coastal areas and destroy them.  Part of my strategy involves gaining air superiority eventually.  I'm still loosing more than he is in the air and that's got to reverse if I'm going to win.   Long story short.......I have no idea what's going to happen. 

Here's the T103 front lines without any recon and before any Soviet movement:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T103 (11/5/2011 4:40:04 PM)

The Axis fast movers appear when I applied some recon to the south. I assume they are the Axis fast movers.....they aren't showing up at the front lines anywhere so that's probably what they are.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T103 (11/5/2011 5:15:15 PM)

I did some unit bombing, some deliberate attacks, etc. but no hexes changed hands. Not much happened this turn. Here's the OOB,
losses, and production:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T104 (11/6/2011 10:47:07 PM)

T104: His units CV is getting bigger and bigger and mine aren't so much. It's June now and pretty soon now KLilly is going to go on
the offensive.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T104 (11/6/2011 11:00:13 PM)

I did a bunch of attacking but no hexes changed hands that I remember right now. Here's the oob, losses, destroyed units,
and production:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/7/2011 5:00:42 AM)

T105: KLilly has a breakthrough of magnificant proportions.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/7/2011 5:14:24 AM)

I pulled everybody back to fix the problem. I think he'll just breakthrough it again though so I need to rail in some reinforcements.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/7/2011 5:17:01 AM)

There was some industry at Stalingrad that I thought might best be moved out.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/7/2011 5:19:01 AM)

At Saratov was some industry that I felt needed to be moved out as well.

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randallw -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/7/2011 8:53:45 AM)

Be careful of having 3 stack units up front; if the hex behind it has at least one unit then something in the stack will rout instead of retreat.




larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/7/2011 9:32:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: randallw
Be careful of having 3 stack units up front; if the hex behind it has at least one unit then something in the stack will rout instead of retreat.

I did not know that. Thanks for sharing. It makes sense when I think about it though.




larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/7/2011 3:39:02 PM)

T106: Here's the front lines before any recon or movement:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/7/2011 3:53:28 PM)

Here's my moves. The rest of the map is the same.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/7/2011 3:57:48 PM)

Here's the OOB, losses, destroyed units, and production:

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randallw -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/8/2011 4:03:08 AM)

What is your total of rifle divisions, with the corps included in the count ( as 3 divs of course )?




larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T105 (11/8/2011 6:34:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: randallw
What is your total of rifle divisions, with the corps included in the count ( as 3 divs of course )?

Lemme post a picture of the CR report with that number on it. First I gotta look it up. I'll edit this post with the number

EDIT: It looks lilke there's a total of 340 rifle divisions plus rifle corps included.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T107 (11/8/2011 6:35:21 AM)

T107: Here's what the south looks like now.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: 1.05.37beta KLilly vs Fulkerson T107 (11/8/2011 6:39:48 AM)

Mud in the center section this turn. That might make it hard to recover from this breakout, but on the other hand it hinders the progress of the Axis advance too so....

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