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Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 2:10:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Orm

If the US makes a combined they could try to ground strike the out of supply Romanian MTN and if the ground strike is a success they can reinforce the invasion and ättack the MTN. Making it a two hex beach head. Landing 2 more units on the HQ would be prefered.

I was actually thinking of trying a Ground Strike on Prince Paul. With the MAR and Division making room for 10 more Allied factors, this could be as much as a 4:1 +2 attack on the HQ-I and the CAV. Maybe. I think. I'll have to figure it out when I get to Ground Strikes.



Orm -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 2:21:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Red Prince

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

If the US makes a combined they could try to ground strike the out of supply Romanian MTN and if the ground strike is a success they can reinforce the invasion and ättack the MTN. Making it a two hex beach head. Landing 2 more units on the HQ would be prefered.

I was actually thinking of trying a Ground Strike on Prince Paul. With the MAR and Division making room for 10 more Allied factors, this could be as much as a 4:1 +2 attack on the HQ-I and the CAV. Maybe. I think. I'll have to figure it out when I get to Ground Strikes.

I think I prefer the attack on the MTN even though I like destroying HQs. The need for one more beach hex is sorely needed. Especially since there is no harbor captured so far. With another beach hex you can land one more HQ and reinforce faster.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 2:30:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

If the US makes a combined they could try to ground strike the out of supply Romanian MTN and if the ground strike is a success they can reinforce the invasion and ättack the MTN. Making it a two hex beach head. Landing 2 more units on the HQ would be prefered.

I was actually thinking of trying a Ground Strike on Prince Paul. With the MAR and Division making room for 10 more Allied factors, this could be as much as a 4:1 +2 attack on the HQ-I and the CAV. Maybe. I think. I'll have to figure it out when I get to Ground Strikes.

I think I prefer the attack on the MTN even though I like destroying HQs. The need for one more beach hex is sorely needed. Especially since there is no harbor captured so far. With another beach hex you can land one more HQ and reinforce faster.

The only problem is that after that HQ lands I have nobody to reinforce with. It's not really a "problem" actually. That 2nd HQ is also intended to swap with Eisenhower. I'm not sure if I can get the CW HQ to a transport in time to let him make the landing.



composer99 -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 2:52:15 PM)

Once you've put the land units in place to guard the USSR you don't need an HQ there anymore to help satisfy FTC, at least not if I understand the rules correctly.

IMO the Allies have some time to strike at each individual Axis minor in detail in France at the moment. They can push at the Rumanians this turn to get La Rochelle, giving them an all-important port to debark land units in. Then they push south on the Yugoslavians, abandon the central (clear terrain) sector and take up positions in the Bordeaux-Toulouse-Bayonne region. Then they infest the mountains between France & Spain. Good luck to the Germans digging them out if that happens.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 2:54:27 PM)

The Commonwealth chose to attempt a Ground Strike on the Italian forces in Rouen, sending their best FTR as escort. The only Axis FTR within range to intercept gives the Allies a +2/-2 advantage in the Air-to-Air Combat. Although the bombers didn't get through, this is a victory for the Allies, since it uses up one of the fighters Germany is using to defend its factories.

[image]local://upfiles/38062/2FA6A72E2AA84E22B5578F3BD0AF32D7.jpg[/image]



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 2:54:31 PM)

I decided to go ahead with Orm's plan to Ground Strike the MTN unit, because the Italian GARR is currently also OOS and disorganized in the port of La Rochell NW of that hex. Unless something more is done to protect that port, it could be an easy gain for the USA . . . but I guess they'll have to do it the hard way.

[image]local://upfiles/38062/A09732752C6A4F8FAD66367F06BB308C.jpg[/image]



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 2:56:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: composer99

Once you've put the land units in place to guard the USSR you don't need an HQ there anymore to help satisfy FTC, at least not if I understand the rules correctly.

IMO the Allies have some time to strike at each individual Axis minor in detail in France at the moment. They can push at the Rumanians this turn to get La Rochelle, giving them an all-important port to debark land units in. Then they push south on the Yugoslavians, abandon the central (clear terrain) sector and take up positions in the Bordeaux-Toulouse-Bayonne region. Then they infest the mountains between France & Spain. Good luck to the Germans digging them out if that happens.

You do understand the FTC rules correctly. I was thinking more in terms of leading some forces a little bit farther south, toward Moscow. But that can wait.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 2:57:59 PM)

I'm up to Rail Movement for Allied Impulse #3, so if there are any new thoughts on the Soviet situation, now is the time.



Orm -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 2:59:31 PM)

Edited:

[image]local://upfiles/29130/B91232BCEAF34586B00064F80704A57E.jpg[/image]



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:04:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Give me a couple of min. I need to edit the picture to smaller size. I'll edit in my suggestion here shortly.

I'm assuming only one land unit is going to need to rail somewhere, so I might rail the factory out of Kazan. Unless it's going to try to be a hero city, since there are 2 Oil Points there.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:05:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Give me a couple of min. I need to edit the picture to smaller size. I'll edit in my suggestion here shortly.

[image]local://upfiles/29130/B91232BCEAF34586B00064F80704A57E.jpg[/image]

That 7-3 INF is disorganized. It can't make the move you suggest.
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Edit: Also, which unit is moving, just the 4-3 INF? Or is the 3-2 MIL moving NW also. And what do you suggest with the MECH stack NW of Timoshenko?



Orm -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:10:13 PM)

I was just writing which units to move. But my mistake with the OOS 7-3 took the energy out of me. [:(]

The 3-2 MIL stays and just the 50th Army moves.

I had prepared the picture for the north part as well but i needed to reduce picture size.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:15:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

I was just writing which units to move. But my mistake with the OOS 7-3 took the energy out of me. [:(]

The 3-2 MIL stays and just the 50th Army moves.

I had prepared the picture for the north part as well but i needed to reduce picture size.

I think the 3-2 MIL needs to move, too. Otherwise, can't the Germans Blitz the 4-3 and cut off supply permenantly to the stack with the CAV on top?



Orm -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:23:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Red Prince

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

I was just writing which units to move. But my mistake with the OOS 7-3 took the energy out of me. [:(]

The 3-2 MIL stays and just the 50th Army moves.

I had prepared the picture for the north part as well but i needed to reduce picture size.

I think the 3-2 MIL needs to move, too. Otherwise, can't the Germans Blitz the 4-3 and cut off supply permenantly to the stack with the CAV on top?

I would leave the 3-2 MIL. Can't you take the 1st CAV and move it to the 4-3. Leaving the other unit in the mountains?



Orm -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:24:09 PM)

Something like this in the north part?

[image]local://upfiles/29130/88C6740397944E46B1023CE952B89C96.jpg[/image]
Red arrows is units moving. Yellow is a resupply misson.

Edit: And the 6-1 moves into the mountains as you suggested.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:24:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

I was just writing which units to move. But my mistake with the OOS 7-3 took the energy out of me. [:(]

The 3-2 MIL stays and just the 50th Army moves.

I had prepared the picture for the north part as well but i needed to reduce picture size.

I think the 3-2 MIL needs to move, too. Otherwise, can't the Germans Blitz the 4-3 and cut off supply permenantly to the stack with the CAV on top?

I would leave the 3-2 MIL. Can't you take the 1st CAV and move it to the 4-3. Leaving the other unit in the mountains?

I could, but that only adds 1 factor of defense, since he'll be disorganized and OOS.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:26:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Something like this in the north part?

[image]local://upfiles/29130/88C6740397944E46B1023CE952B89C96.jpg[/image]
Red arrows is units moving. Yellow is a resupply misson.

Edit: And the 6-1 moves into the mountains as you suggested.

This has the potential to again leave the 8-5 MECH out of supply if it continues to Rain (which is unlikely, but could happen).
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Edit: also, you're trying to move another disorganized unit, the 5-4 INF



Orm -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:29:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

Something like this in the north part?

[image]local://upfiles/29130/88C6740397944E46B1023CE952B89C96.jpg[/image]
Red arrows is units moving. Yellow is a resupply misson.

Edit: And the 6-1 moves into the mountains as you suggested.

This has the potential to again leave the 8-5 MECH out of supply if it continues to Rain (which is unlikely, but could happen).

Yes. But that rain works for me as well. Makes things harder for Germany as well. [:)]

I can live with that the rain leaves the MECH oos. It can at least move to a better position and pray that the turn ends fast. [:D]



Orm -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:31:15 PM)

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Edit: also, you're trying to move another disorganized unit, the 5-4 INF

Ack. [:(] That move wasn't needed anyway.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:34:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

Something like this in the north part?

[image]local://upfiles/29130/88C6740397944E46B1023CE952B89C96.jpg[/image]
Red arrows is units moving. Yellow is a resupply misson.

Edit: And the 6-1 moves into the mountains as you suggested.

This has the potential to again leave the 8-5 MECH out of supply if it continues to Rain (which is unlikely, but could happen).

Yes. But that rain works for me as well. Makes things harder for Germany as well. [:)]

I can live with that the rain leaves the MECH oos. It can at least move to a better position and pray that the turn ends fast. [:D]

What about the 6-4 INF? That will be disorganized and OOS, a 2 factor target.

I'm sorry, but I think I prefer option #2 from my original post #2302. The TB-3 can be used to reorganize the 7-3 INF in the South, preventing it from being an easy target for the Italians, or it could be used to reorganize the 6-4 INF in the North. Option #2 also leaves fewer units in position to be forced to end up disorganized or potentially OOS.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:41:09 PM)

In the end, I decided to leave the factor in Kazan and go with Option #2.
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Edit: I just realized that the 4-3 INF can't be attacked if the Germans want to keep all 4 Corps organized. Guderian would have to move onto the rails, and he doesn't have enough movement points to do that, so the big German armor stack will be OOS and unable to attack this impulse.



Orm -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 3:55:25 PM)

I "forgot" that units in mountain hexes can be reorganized by air supply. I am not sure I actually forgot it since I am not sure I ever been aware of it. Can't remember. But I do remember that I recall a old rule version that in order to resupply a unit the aircraft needed to have the potential to land in the hex.

I have way to many obsolete rules still haunting me. [:D]

Any way you play the USSR the Germans will have fun. Therte is no way around that even if Stalin plays a perfect game.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 4:09:35 PM)

This is what I settled on. I'll use the TB-3 to reorganize the 6-4 INF, I think. This means the Italians can probably kill the 7-3, but it also means the TB-3 can rebase much closer to the Ural mountains. The advantage of reorganizing the 7-3 INF is obviously that it can't be eliminated instantly, but it won't stay in supply no matter what I do. Unless it rains again in the Med, it has little value beyond keeping a single Italian unit in place. I don't know. I'll decide later . . . there's still time.

[image]local://upfiles/38062/A6629778967149138EDB1194891BE6AF.jpg[/image]



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 4:19:57 PM)

The only Allied attack for Impulse #3, of S/O '41:

[image]local://upfiles/38062/6565BFD3E70D42BAADE1B9A7D7845146.jpg[/image]

And the results:

Attack on France [59, 25]: Assault, Roll = 9-1 = 8 = */2S

I could have had a 4:1 attack or a 5:1 -1 attack. That's from the Allied combat friction modifier, but I decided it was worth the extra 10% gained for staying organized, as well as for the chances of keeping all units alive. As the Germans, I went with the Assault in order to try to disorganize the attackers. That would mean no more attacks this turn, and it would let me consolidate my forces around the enemy beachhead. No such luck.
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Please note that it isn't just the Axis getting good rolls for attacks. They've just had more attacks. The Allies haven't failed yet.



Orm -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 4:30:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Red Prince

This is what I settled on. I'll use the TB-3 to reorganize the 6-4 INF, I think. This means the Italians can probably kill the 7-3, but it also means the TB-3 can rebase much closer to the Ural mountains. The advantage of reorganizing the 7-3 INF is obviously that it can't be eliminated instantly, but it won't stay in supply no matter what I do. Unless it rains again in the Med, it has little value beyond keeping a single Italian unit in place. I don't know. I'll decide later . . . there's still time.

[image]local://upfiles/38062/A6629778967149138EDB1194891BE6AF.jpg[/image]


Now I think it is likely that Germany will capture Baku this turn or activate Turkey. The south can't hold. I suspect that only the weather can prevent this.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 4:39:11 PM)

The CW rebased a few FTR units to the newly acquired territory in France, the USA started sending 2 of its own FTRs the long way around (Newfoundland, Greenland, Icland, UK), and the Soviets rebased an OOS LND near the Urals to Magnitogorsk.

Only one of the Soviet TB-3s was used to reorganize units. I decided on the 6-4 INF, since I'm pretty sure I can ZOC the southern German forces for the rest of the turn, as long as it doesn't go on forever. There's a weak point in the northern line, though, and that INF might be able to help there. The other TB-3 couldn't do the job, because the weather is Storms up in the Arctic. I forgot that only rebase missions can be made in stormy weather. Oh, well, at least the MECH it was going to assist is in supply and behind a river.

[image]local://upfiles/38062/6D35811930524B4CAC7D9F92F902C854.jpg[/image]



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 5:15:17 PM)

On to Axis impulse #5, and I finally gave in to the Allied pressure. I railed the SS MECH from Stalingrad to Nantes, and finally decided on Rommel as the HQ I would send back. I really needed/wanted all of them where they were, but the deciding factor was getting the Italian GARR in La Rochelle back in supply. Since I was pulling troops out of the Soviet Union anyway, I also railed the slow ART from Moscow, since it can't keep up with the front lines.

[image]local://upfiles/38062/6D86C79A05DB4A13A9CFECFDE741FF2B.jpg[/image]



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 6:35:58 PM)

Not much to be done by the Axis this impulse. Japan sent out an invasion fleet and some defenses, moved a few divisions into Muscat and Abu Dhabi, and Germany and Italy made certain that the Americans could not expand any deeper into France (I think). With a 10% chance of the turn ending after the next impulse, the Germans spent their time setting up future attacks with whatever units were still able to be kept in supply.

The only attacks for Axis Impulse #5 are an automatic invasion of Guadalcanal, and the eradication of the 7-3 INF in Perisa. For that attack, due to the weather, I had to add the German MECH Division to get the odds up to 10:1 for an automatic victory. At that point, Allied Combat Friction doesn't matter. Besides, the enemy was disorganized anyway, so the die roll modifiers cancel each other out.

The attacks:

[image]local://upfiles/38062/3F3C9625D4F442F0B4141A28D33F305F.jpg[/image]

And the results:

Attack on Persia [70, 74]: Assault, Roll = 8 = */2S
Attack on Guadalcanal: Assault, Roll = Automatic

Not much to say about these. Just that I advanced the MECH and MOT into the target hex. That gets the German armor back into supply again, and HQ-A Graziani can reorganize them at the end of the impulse.



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 6:52:59 PM)

Germany rebased 4 LND within range of Rostov. I wanted to move some FTR power into France, but I want to make sure I can get as much air power as possible over Rostov, since I'm probably going to attack it at the next opportunity.

Graziani did indeed reorganize those 2 Italians, and the new weather roll for Allied Impulse #7 is up next . . .

[image]local://upfiles/38062/E7D8B12FD3C044418119C67AD9B608C7.jpg[/image]



Red Prince -> RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) (2/7/2012 6:53:04 PM)

The weather for Allied Impulse #7:

[image]local://upfiles/38062/4F9D1EAFF92C419FB5060E5C3AE38C8E.jpg[/image]



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