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obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 7:40:51 AM)
Only one J2M3 unit was at 20k and the rest of the Franks were at 32k, so although they bagged a lot of Hellcats and a decent amount of Avengers, the Kashi took one torpedo and immediately disbanded into the shipyard. The last of the training cruisers will only need two weeks to be back out there causing havoc! [image]local://upfiles/37283/594AA3AD4FC94DECA617C0A5FD2D9E8F.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 7:42:40 AM)
The most distant of the 2E that I'd forgotten to turn off flew today at ships landing troops on Saicho To. That sucks, since it's quite a bit farther than the many free shots at transports they would have had yesterday, and all of the escorts were stood down. My bad, but smarts. [image]local://upfiles/37283/B1137FC06E404D388A9CDE42E3A25959.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 7:44:11 AM)
The 4Es arrived there to reduce our troops before the division equivalent the Allies landed takes the base. We have about 150AV, but it won't stand a chance tomorrow after a pounding from the air. [image]local://upfiles/37283/C7D966FFF06B4EB3BC7B5BC016599232.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 8:28:16 AM)
7 June 1945 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ SUBS: Another sub hit going for the amphibs at Saisho To, but not yet sunk! KOREA: The troops begin to trudge back to Gunzan. I'm putting several rear divisions into strat mode to support as reserve incase the whole newly landed army moves this way. Our two tank divisions wil make the base tomorrow bringing it to 2k AV before the rest of the force gets in a day or two after. It will be fairly secure at 5kAV, but this is late war, low supply and in the clear, so who knows. Trying to put up enough of a wall that the Allies can't use superior maneuver and firepower to rush ahead. Still have to keep a bit of an eye on the Allied fleet, but even with most groups off it's costly. Looks like 26 planes lost today. SEARCH: Search P1Y2 Frances destroyed by CAP Search P1Y2 Frances destroyed by CAP Search P1Y2 Frances destroyed by CAP at (100,54) Search E13A1b Jake destroyed by CAP Search B5N2 Kate destroyed by CAP at (100,54) Search E15K1 Norm destroyed by CAP Search E15K1 Norm destroyed by CAP at (100,54) Search Ki-46-II Dinah destroyed by CAP at (100,54) Search Ki-46-II Dinah destroyed by CAP at (100,54) Search Ki-46-III Dinah destroyed by CAP at (96,56) Search Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy destroyed by CAP Search Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy destroyed by CAP at (100,54) Search Ki-30 Ann destroyed by CAP Search H8K2 Emily destroyed by CAP Search H6K4 Mavis destroyed by CAP Search B5N1 Kate destroyed by CAP Search P1Y2 Frances destroyed by CAP Search P1Y2 Frances destroyed by CAP Search E7K2 Alf destroyed by CAP at (100,54) Search E7K2 Alf destroyed by CAP at (100,54) Search B5N2 Kate destroyed by CAP Search B5N2 Kate destroyed by CAP Search B5N2 Kate destroyed by CAP Search B5N2 Kate destroyed by CAP Search Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy destroyed by CAP at (100,54) STRAT BOMBING: None today. Still burning though! REPORT: Fires causing damage to Light Industry at Osaka/Kyoto! HOME ISLANDS: The Kashi hit took another toll on Allied CV air, and doesn't hurt us at all. Makes up a little for the debacle of losing a few groups of Peggy (T) and a few of Frances due to operator error. Spent Sam units begin to rest and some will change to the J2M5 for Home defense as the pool is still at 600 for that lane while the Sam pool is at 15! A few groups will also downgrade to A6M5b to get the service 1 daily usability in certain bases. I'd like to use the A6M8 but that is only being made at 45/month and the pool is dry after upgrading many of the kami/CAP units to it. The IJAAF groups are also rearranging a bit, the Ki-100 being the plane of choice for defense low with the Frank "r' and Ki-83 still working the top layers. A lot of small kami/CAP units use both the Oscar and Ki-61d, which are both surprisingly decent against bombers, and one group is using the Ki-61 KAI pool. These are not bad on day one against big raids, and got a ton of kills over Osaka recently, but on day 2 the group was shot with only 5 planes operational due to service 4. I have only one group of Ki-83 operating, but might make another now bringing the total in the air to 98 possible. The J7W1 is at 7 planes in the pool!! Nearly enough to upgrade our expert 9 plane group in Osaka. I'd love to get them into the 18 plane 901 group that was originally the Tainan Ku S-1. At least one plot has survived all of the way through. That would be a fitting finish for them. [:)] CHINA: If Changsha had held for a while I had a plan to attempt a release of the trapped army. Not sure that will be able to work now. I'll start step one and then see how we go. Bungled the Changsha defense getting these divisions trashed. It could have held a while here, but so it is with late war Japan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 7, 45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Saishu To at 98,55 Japanese Ships SS I-201, hits 2 Allied Ships DE Electra DE Sederstrom SS I-201 is located by DE Electra I-201 bottoming out .... DE Sederstrom attacking submerged sub .... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 67 encounters mine field at Shimonoseki (104,57) Japanese Ships AMc Ogashima AMc Shintohoku Maru AMc Kyo Maru #3, Mine hits 1, heavy damage 93 mines cleared -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 77 encounters mine field at Shimonoseki (104,57) Japanese Ships AMc Ma 4 AMc Banshu Maru #56 62 mines cleared -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Saishu To (99,55) 116 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships DD Petard DD Voyager LSI(L) Denbighshire DD Vendetta Allied ground losses: 48 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled DD Petard firing at 11th Ind.Mixed Regiment DD Voyager firing at 2nd Amphibious Brigade Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Saishu To (99,55) TF 211 troops unloading over beach at Saishu To, 99,55 Allied ground losses: 142 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 30 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 9 (0 destroyed, 9 disabled) Vehicles lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled) Motorized Support dropped into water during unload of 40th Infantry/B Div /5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 67 encounters mine field at Shimonoseki (104,57) Japanese Ships AMc Shintohoku Maru 40 mines cleared -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 77 encounters mine field at Shimonoseki (104,57) Japanese Ships AMc Ma 4 AMc Banshu Maru #56 80 mines cleared -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Saishu To at 99,55 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 20 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 18 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 26 P-47N Thunderbolt x 35 F4U-1D Corsair x 16 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 10 destroyed No Allied losses Allied Ships AKA Pamina, and is sunk Did this ship hit a mine, have a collision, or what? Did they run over a downed Peggy and spring a leak in the hold? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Nagasaki/Sasebo at 102,58 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 35 minutes Japanese aircraft J2M3 Jack x 13 Ki-84r Frank x 36 Allied aircraft Hellcat I x 17 Hellcat F.II x 13 F6F-5 Hellcat x 159 TBM-3 Avenger x 8 Japanese aircraft losses J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Hellcat F.II: 3 destroyed F6F-5 Hellcat: 10 destroyed TBM-3 Avenger: 1 damaged Japanese Ships CL Kashii, Torpedo hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x TBM-3 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo CAP engaged: S-317 Hikotai with J2M3 Jack (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes 52nd Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 32000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 13000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes 104th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 32000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes 105th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 32000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 32000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 67 encounters mine field at Shimonoseki (104,57) Japanese Ships AMc Shintohoku Maru, Mine hits 1, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Saishu To at 99,55 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft P1Y2 Frances x 5 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 22 P-47N Thunderbolt x 35 F4U-1D Corsair x 15 Japanese aircraft losses P1Y2 Frances: 3 destroyed No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Saishu To at 99,55 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft P1Y2 Frances x 13 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 19 P-47N Thunderbolt x 35 F4U-1D Corsair x 15 Japanese aircraft losses P1Y2 Frances: 8 destroyed No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 11th Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 99,55 (Saishu To) Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Allied aircraft Liberator B.VI x 17 Liberator GR.VI x 9 B-24J Liberator x 9 Spitfire VIII x 13 B-17E Fortress x 2 B-17F Fortress x 3 B-24J Liberator x 46 F4U-1D Corsair x 13 PB4Y-1 Liberator x 17 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 756 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 41 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 64 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Guns lost 26 (1 destroyed, 25 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Nagasaki/Sasebo at 102,58 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 36 minutes Japanese aircraft J2M3 Jack x 11 Ki-84r Frank x 35 Allied aircraft Hellcat I x 18 Hellcat F.II x 7 F6F-5 Hellcat x 113 TBM-3 Avenger x 10 Japanese aircraft losses J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Hellcat I: 4 destroyed F6F-5 Hellcat: 14 destroyed TBM-3 Avenger: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged Japanese Ships CL Kashii Aircraft Attacking: 3 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb Out of torps? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Saishu To (99,55) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 4181 troops, 72 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 112 Reduced by over a 1/3 due to one day of airstrikes. Defending force 10396 troops, 213 guns, 212 vehicles, Assault Value = 368 Japanese ground losses: 103 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 11th Ind.Mixed Rgt /2 108th Ind.Mixed Brigade 2nd Amphibious Bde /1 Defending units: 40th Infantry/A Div /1 40th Infantry/B Div /1 40th Infantry/C Div /1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Changsha (82,52) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 60057 troops, 1024 guns, 2050 vehicles, Assault Value = 2783 Defending force 31866 troops, 298 guns, 33 vehicles, Assault Value = 702 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4 Allied adjusted assault: 1701 Japanese adjusted defense: 819 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-) experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1722 casualties reported Squads: 218 destroyed, 109 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 48 disabled Engineers: 7 destroyed, 21 disabled Guns lost 38 (11 destroyed, 27 disabled) Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1412 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 83 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled Vehicles lost 38 (2 destroyed, 36 disabled) Assaulting units: 17th Motorised Division 18th Cavalry Regiment 50th Tank Brigade Guides Cavalry Regiment Gardner's Horse Regiment 19th Motorised Division Provisionl Tank Brigade 254th Armoured Brigade 6th Australian Division 3rd Cavalry Regiment 255th Indian Tank Brigade 11th PAVO Regiment 9th Australian Division 14th Army 2/9th Field Regiment 2/11th Field Regiment 2/13th Field Regiment Defending units: 35th Division 65th Brigade 32nd Division 51st Division 58th Infantry Regiment 5th Ind.Mixed Brigade 63rd Division 13th RGC Temp./B Division 56th Const Co 8th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion 54th JAAF AF Bn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 81,55 (near Pingsiang) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 4105 troops, 270 guns, 305 vehicles, Assault Value = 2098 Defending force 125912 troops, 1247 guns, 699 vehicles, Assault Value = 3581 Japanese ground losses: 426 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 35 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reinforcements: none. Losses: AMc Kyo Maru #3 sinks at sea Ships Sunk: No idea how this ship was damaged. AKA Pamina ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/8D1F839A4CD84E9B83314C3F6467BA37.jpg[/image] ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ These ships looked a bit grisly by the end of the war. A fine pic of USS Pamina, AKA-34 most likely transporting troops home after VJ Day. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 9:52:56 AM)
AIR DROPPED MINES ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Allied air dropped mine effort in the war was the final straw in the campaign against Japanese shipping and crippled even the ability to make local resource and supply shipments around the coasts of the Home Islands. In game this is abstracted so that they have to be dropped on a base. In the war they would ba all along sea channels and in straits, or in approaches to big ports. I guess this approximates the approaches to ports in game, but we always know mines have been dropped, so that takes a bit of the surprise away. Jocke has dropped a few massive fields in big ports through 44-45. The recent mining of Fukuoka, Fusan and Shimoneseki have been among the largest of the war, dropped by hundreds of B-29s, and have created a small side game for me in having to clear them. Luckily no major shipping has been hit yet, but there are still fields in both places. Here is a look at Shimonoseki as an example of a massive Allied aerial mining operation. SHIMONOSEKI: MAY 28, 45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Shimonoseki , at 104,57 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 25 minutes Japanese aircraft J1N1-Sa Irving x 13 Allied aircraft B-29-1 Superfort x 22 B-29-25 Superfort x 97 B-29B Superfort x 74 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 119 x B-29-1 and B-29-25 Superfort laying Mk 13 Mine from 9000 feet 74 x B-29B laying Mk 13 Mine from 9000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MINESWEEPERS LOST: AM -1 AMc - 3 ML - 15 955 mines swept so far

Chickenboy -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 11:48:13 AM)
Lovin' the updates, mate! Thanks for the detail you put into them. I am definitely living vicariously through your efforts. [&o]

Captain Cruft -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 11:56:43 AM)
I wouldn't get too excited about the Shinden. It doesn't do any better against the P-47N or P-51H than anything else. The Karyu is the thing you need ...

setloz -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 3:00:47 PM)
I'm very curious about how the Shinden will fare against P47s. Fingers crossed for your factory not getting destroyed.

Chickenboy -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 4:26:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft I wouldn't get too excited about the Shinden. It doesn't do any better against the P-47N or P-51H than anything else. I'd heard a few reports of the Shinden in combat that reflect this opinion as well. However, don't the 4x30mm (high gun value) of the Shinden shred Allied heavy bombers? As a fighter v. fighter it seems so-so. As an anti-bomber platform it seems terribly vicious. At least on paper.

crsutton -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 4:26:51 PM)
Sort of been in and out of this AAR with little or no comment for a good while but have enjoyed the discussion about supply. Now that we have seen a few games go "long" (Ark and I made it to 8/1/45) our collective understanding of the game has changed. In the end, for Japan, it does all come down to supply and fuel. And the burden is on the Japanese player to continually look for economy in force. This is actually good in my mind as the designers have gotten something right in that to really "feel" like a Japanese player you need to be sweating resources from day one. My own game and the discussions here have taught me a lot. For one I just do not fear the incredible Japanese rampages that took place early on in my last game. Like you say it all comes at a price. And, unlike some of my fellow posters here, I have come away with the exact opposite opinion of how to play the Allies. That is, there is no need to Sir Robin and wait for the inevitable flood of material but the best Allied course is to fight everywhere that it is feasible in 1942 (meaning not stupid) because as you point out so well, every fight drains the Japanese player's ability to do something else. The game is so simple. It is all about resources. Supply and fuel are Japan's currency. Any way you can figure out to make the Japanese player spend extra currency is a viable path to victory. I don't know if the game should be militarily "winnable" for the Japanese player. However there should be some significant VP adjustments for late game achievements. And if the Allies are not on the home islands in strength by some time in late 1945, then it should be considered a total victory for the Japanese player. And I personally have always thought that auto-victory should never be an option. Under no circumstances would there have been some sort of auto-victory for Japan in real life.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 5:29:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft I wouldn't get too excited about the Shinden. It doesn't do any better against the P-47N or P-51H than anything else. The Karyu is the thing you need ... quote: ORIGINAL: setloz I'm very curious about how the Shinden will fare against P47s. Fingers crossed for your factory not getting destroyed. quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I'd heard a few reports of the Shinden in combat that reflect this opinion as well. However, don't the 4x30mm (high gun value) of the Shinden shred Allied heavy bombers? As a fighter v. fighter it seems so-so. As an anti-bomber platform it seems terribly vicious. At least on paper. As with many of the other fighters in the war I've found them useful for something. The Shinden can't be worse than the planes I'm using now, and should give a title extra for the top layer of CAP mixed with Frank 'r' and J2M5. The Ki-83 is a great sweeper and decent in defense. I bet the 30mm are only okay against fighters but yeah, might do some damage with bombers. I wish I could turn off the ramming option for this plane and a few others and leave it to the Oscars and zeros to do that. The Karyu sadly suffered from the supply shortage and had to have it's two main factories stalled before RnD was complete and working. So the RnD is only 20 a month. It might be November before it would some, at around 40-50 a month, but I doubt this game will be going by then.

poodlebrain -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 5:38:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crsutton Sort of been in and out of this AAR with little or no comment for a good while but have enjoyed the discussion about supply. Now that we have seen a few games go "long" (Ark and I made it to 8/1/45) our collective understanding of the game has changed. In the end, for Japan, it does all come down to supply and fuel. And the burden is on the Japanese player to continually look for economy in force. This is actually good in my mind as the designers have gotten something right in that to really "feel" like a Japanese player you need to be sweating resources from day one. My own game and the discussions here have taught me a lot. For one I just do not fear the incredible Japanese rampages that took place early on in my last game. Like you say it all comes at a price. And, unlike some of my fellow posters here, I have come away with the exact opposite opinion of how to play the Allies. That is, there is no need to Sir Robin and wait for the inevitable flood of material but the best Allied course is to fight everywhere that it is feasible in 1942 (meaning not stupid) because as you point out so well, every fight drains the Japanese player's ability to do something else. The game is so simple. It is all about resources. Supply and fuel are Japan's currency. Any way you can figure out to make the Japanese player spend extra currency is a viable path to victory. I don't know if the game should be militarily "winnable" for the Japanese player. However there should be some significant VP adjustments for late game achievements. And if the Allies are not on the home islands in strength by some time in late 1945, then it should be considered a total victory for the Japanese player. And I personally have always thought that auto-victory should never be an option. Under no circumstances would there have been some sort of auto-victory for Japan in real life. Sometimes it is hard to separate the war from the game. The war is not winnable for the Japanese by any conventional standard without gross incompetence by the Allied player(s), but the game is winnable based on objective criteria determined within the game rules. Obvert will lose the war, as is inevitable. However, he has not lost the game just yet, and it is possible for him to avoid losing the game.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 5:44:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crsutton Sort of been in and out of this AAR with little or no comment for a good while but have enjoyed the discussion about supply. Now that we have seen a few games go "long" (Ark and I made it to 8/1/45) our collective understanding of the game has changed. In the end, for Japan, it does all come down to supply and fuel. And the burden is on the Japanese player to continually look for economy in force. This is actually good in my mind as the designers have gotten something right in that to really "feel" like a Japanese player you need to be sweating resources from day one. Yep. I'd have a slightly different end game if I'd known what I know now in 42. It probably wouldn't have changed very much of the speed of the Allied approach other and in fact might have slowed it more effectively. quote: My own game and the discussions here have taught me a lot. For one I just do not fear the incredible Japanese rampages that took place early on in my last game. Like you say it all comes at a price. And, unlike some of my fellow posters here, I have come away with the exact opposite opinion of how to play the Allies. That is, there is no need to Sir Robin and wait for the inevitable flood of material but the best Allied course is to fight everywhere that it is feasible in 1942 (meaning not stupid) because as you point out so well, every fight drains the Japanese player's ability to do something else. Knowing that you really need to pick your battles changes everything. The idea of forcibly attiring Allied air power even has dire consequences in replacement aircraft supply use, and shouldn't really be as much of a problem as people make it out to be unless they try to do something slightly too early. You really start to realize after playing through this game why the war schedule went as it did. We're nearing VJ Day and although I'm still having fun, trying to fight back, I certainly see the light at the end of the tunnel now. quote: The game is so simple. It is all about resources. Supply and fuel are Japan's currency. Any way you can figure out to make the Japanese player spend extra currency is a viable path to victory. I don't know if the game should be militarily "winnable" for the Japanese player. However there should be some significant VP adjustments for late game achievements. And if the Allies are not on the home islands in strength by some time in late 1945, then it should be considered a total victory for the Japanese player. And I personally have always thought that auto-victory should never be an option. Under no circumstances would there have been some sort of auto-victory for Japan in real life. The VP scale for ships vs that for aircraft is a bit off I think, especially late. It doesn't take much to lose 500-100 planes in a day now, and the option to not use them is not really a consideration. But when a CVE is only worth 87 points, and I lose 60+ planes in the search phase, or when the Allies hit the kasha, worth something like 20 points, but lose 35-40 planes (VPs) doing so, something is off there. I agree the Japanese shouldn't suddenly be winning because they sink some CVs and the Allies still reach their strategic goals, but we all know losing 20 CVEs in the war would have been a disaster of unprecedented consequence.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 6:04:34 PM)
The night begins with some more mine-clearing, then the fun stuff. Es make it in ahead of the others and hit a few PT boats. [image]local://upfiles/37283/D4C41CB0F427424EA7C3B687B47A1135.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 6:05:51 PM)
This who gave me the shivers! The PTs went after the Yamatos here but didn't get a hit and lost a few. [image]local://upfiles/37283/A48A8B6E3272404A9B0159E9E6E99DF9.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 6:07:41 PM)
This engagement especially got tense after on e of the escorts was lost to a mine, and the range got to 3k. I thought for sure with the low moon at least one BB would be hit, but it didn't happen. [image]local://upfiles/37283/B7013D3DD8454AAB8EEB6D0F19DABF46.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 6:09:08 PM)
There must have been ten different engagements with PTs, but interestingly most of the attempted to disengage immediately. Out of good high aggression commanders? [image]local://upfiles/37283/218671E46A71449CB7AC5B694F80F179.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 6:14:11 PM)
Eventually the BBs made it through, but the bombardments were just decent. They didn't get quite as many planes as I'd hoped. Did Jocke move some out? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Naval bombardment of Moppo at 100,54 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses PBY-5 Catalina: 12 damaged PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 damaged P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed on ground PBM-3D Mariner: 3 damaged PBM-3D Mariner: 1 destroyed on ground Japanese Ships BB Hyuga BB Ise BB Fuso BB Mutsu Allied ground losses: 762 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 47 disabled Engineers: 60 destroyed, 37 disabled Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled) Vehicles lost 40 (19 destroyed, 21 disabled) Manpower hits 2 Fires 2792 [X(] Airbase hits 12 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 36 Port hits 1 Port supply hits 1 BB Hyuga firing at Moppo E13A1b Jake acting as spotter for BB Ise BB Ise firing at Moppo BB Fuso firing at Moppo BB Mutsu firing at Moppo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Naval bombardment of Moppo at 100,54 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses PBY-5 Catalina: 1 damaged PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground PBM-3D Mariner: 5 damaged PBM-3D Mariner: 1 destroyed on ground P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 damaged P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 damaged P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed on ground Japanese Ships BB Musashi BB Yamato Allied ground losses: 318 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 25 destroyed, 3 disabled Guns lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled) Vehicles lost 6 (5 destroyed, 1 disabled) Manpower hits 1 Fires 5571 Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 20 Port hits 2 Port fuel hits 1 BB Musashi firing at Moppo BB Yamato firing at Moppo [image]local://upfiles/37283/951ACECE60424D6EB766B4D66F98B439.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 6:15:53 PM)
The PTs got their revenge by finishing off DD Take. No air strikes in the day from the CVs though, which had moved to the South. [image]local://upfiles/37283/3657000CDE0A4E6B85619E755CCF327F.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 6:18:35 PM)
In our only real offensive actions of the day I decided to pick around the edges of the CAP as Jocke has been doing and it worked pretty well! Only one group flying CAP at least to one hex out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 3rd Marine Division, at 101,54 , near Moppo Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-83 x 48 Allied aircraft F4U-1D Corsair x 20 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-83: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1D Corsair: 7 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 39 x Ki-83 sweeping at 32000 feet CAP engaged: VF-14 with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (20 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 20 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes [image]local://upfiles/37283/D59C7973DADC46ACBADB22AD9C200D65.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 6:21:13 PM)
Allied air power crushes the troops at Saisho To. Their AV in the bombardment today was at 25, down from 170AV before the Allies invaded only two days ago. The base will fall easily tomorrow. [image]local://upfiles/37283/C50AA616D1C64A368F6AC62D6ED79D53.jpg[/image]

Sangeli -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 6:38:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poodlebrain Sometimes it is hard to separate the war from the game. The war is not winnable for the Japanese by any conventional standard without gross incompetence by the Allied player(s), but the game is winnable based on objective criteria determined within the game rules. Obvert will lose the war, as is inevitable. However, he has not lost the game just yet, and it is possible for him to avoid losing the game. In real life the Japanese did not think they could win in the sense that in a purely military duel they would come out on top. Rather, they hoped that with rapid decisive victories they could break the American resolve to fight. When you play this game as a PBEM you are not just playing against the Japanese or Allies. You are also playing against another real player. When Allied players "lose" against a Japanese player 9/10 it's because they lose the desire to fight. Perhaps they suffered so many casualties that it would take years to be able to go on the offensive (both in game time and real life time) and decide that it isn't worth it. However, players tend to see an Allied abdication not as something less than a full victory. But isn't that sort of abdication is EXACTLY the sort of victory the Japanese aimed to achieve? So why do we say that the war is not winnable for the Japanese "by conventional standards" when standard the Japanese used for victory was breaking the resolve of the Americans to fight? When an Allied player quits the game we should look at that as if the Allies are simply suing for peace. I understand that VP count and auto-victory is supposed to capture this sort of capitulation but I see that as being indirect and largely arbitrary compared to the very real phenomenon of breaking another players resolve to fight. So I think people need to change their concept of what it means to "win the war" as more than simply the complete destruction of the enemy because the vast majority of wars are not fought to the bitter end. They are fought until one side decides they don't want to fight anymore. I guess in this game it may not be as relevant but if Obvert can get to the point where JocMeister does not want to continue playing this game then all of us should consider that as winning the war just the same as if Japan had won the war IRL by forcing the Allies to sue for peace.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 6:47:56 PM)
8 June 1945 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ SUBS: Both injured sub make it back to nagasaki and will repair for the next week. the Grunion hits a PB moving toward Moppo. KOREA: The retreat to Gunzan is unchallenged so far. Most air units are back in Fusan to fix planes before rebasing to he HI. About 4-5 groups are still flying a decent CAP over the base, which will remain. HOME ISLANDS: Not much new. Fires finally go out at Osaka but I forgot to look at final damage. A few sweeps hit mostly empty air, but some zeros get caught up and I lose five. CHINA: The forces at Changsha keep getting nailed by 2Es, and the troops at Tsuyung finally look to be cracking. The Allies got a 1:1, but this area means little now as the Chinese have been freed and have supply. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 8, 45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 77 encounters mine field at Shimonoseki (104,57) Japanese Ships AMc Ma 4 AMc Banshu Maru #56, Mine hits 1, heavy damage 72 mines cleared -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Moppo at 100,55 Japanese Ships PB Seikyo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage PB Kogyoku Maru PB Ikuta Maru PB Manyo Maru PB Konsan Maru Allied Ships SS Grunion SS Grunion launches 2 torpedoes at PB Seikyo Maru PB Manyo Maru fails to find sub and abandons search Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 2,000 Yards Japanese Ships E No.18 E No.32 E No.118, Shell hits 2 E No.132 Allied Ships PT-316 PT-317 PT-318 PT-319 PT-320, Shell hits 1 PT-321 PT-322 PT-323, Shell hits 1, and is sunk Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 3% moonlight: 2,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 30,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Mutsu BB Fuso BB Ise BB Hyuga DD Take DD Hinoki DD Kaya DD Nara Allied Ships PT-175 PT-176 PT-177 PT-178 PT-250 PT-255 PT-256 PT-258 Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 3% moonlight: 2,000 yards CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 6,000 yards Allied TF attempts to evade combat Range increases to 11,000 yards... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 6 encounters mine field at Moppo (100,54) Japanese Ships DD Take, Mine hits 1, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 4,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Yamato BB Musashi DD Tsubaki DD Keyaki DD Yanagi DD Odake DD Kaba Allied Ships PT-26 PT-27, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT-114, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT-117 PT-118 PT-120, Shell hits 1, and is sunk Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 3% moonlight: 2,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 30,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Mutsu BB Fuso BB Ise BB Hyuga DD Hinoki DD Kaya Allied Ships PT-28 PT-29 PT-30 PT-42 PT-60 PT-113 Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 2,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 6,000 yards Allied TF attempts to evade combat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 4,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Mutsu BB Fuso BB Ise BB Hyuga DD Hinoki DD Kaya Allied Ships PT-349 PT-350 PT-351 PT-352, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT-359 PT-360 Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 2,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 30,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Mutsu BB Fuso BB Ise BB Hyuga DD Hinoki DD Kaya Allied Ships PT-260 PT-261 PT-324 PT-325 PT-326 PT-327 PT-363 PT-364 Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 2,000 yards CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 3,000 yards Allied TF attempts to evade combat This happened about three more times as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Moppo at 100,54 Japanese Ships DD Nara Allied Ships SS Angler, hits 8 SS Angler is sighted by escort Angler bottoming out .... DD Nara attacking submerged sub .... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 77 encounters mine field at Shimonoseki (104,57) Japanese Ships AMc Ma 4 36 mines cleared -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 16,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Take, and is sunk DD Nara Allied Ships PT-316 PT-317 PT-318 PT-319 PT-320 PT-321 PT-322 Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 24,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5b Zero x 10 Allied aircraft P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5b Zero: 5 destroyed No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 15 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 32000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 11th Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 99,55 (Saishu To) Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Allied aircraft Liberator B.VI x 26 Liberator GR.VI x 16 B-24J Liberator x 3 B-17E Fortress x 5 B-17F Fortress x 5 B-24D Liberator x 3 B-24D1 Liberator x 11 B-24J Liberator x 116 B-25J11 Mitchell x 5 PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 1583 casualties reported[X(] Squads: 25 destroyed, 85 disabled Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 150 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled Guns lost 22 (8 destroyed, 14 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tsuyung (68,46) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 43598 troops, 871 guns, 538 vehicles, Assault Value = 943 Defending force 23705 troops, 308 guns, 79 vehicles, Assault Value = 581 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1 Allied adjusted assault: 1189 Japanese adjusted defense: 976 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1114 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 75 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 18 disabled Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1129 casualties reported Squads: 16 destroyed, 100 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 29 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled Guns lost 20 (1 destroyed, 19 disabled) Assaulting units: 23rd Indian Division 25th Indian Division 7th Indian Division 8th New Chinese Corps 104th RAF Base Force 117th RAF Base Force 88th Medium Regiment 2nd West African AA Regiment 3rd West African AA Regiment 4th West African AA Regiment 23rd AA Bde 56th Heavy Regiment 1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment 2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment Defending units: 104th Division 37th Division 40th Division 9th Ind.Mixed Brigade 23rd JAAF AF Bn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 75,49 (near Kweiyang) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 16248 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 676 Defending force 6429 troops, 59 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 242 Allied adjusted assault: 606 Japanese adjusted defense: 391 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-) supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 488 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 48 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled) Allied ground losses: 603 casualties reported Squads: 9 destroyed, 50 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 34th Separate Brigade 79th Chinese Corps 81st Chinese Corps 16th Construction Regiment Defending units: Ankei SNLF 86th Ind.Mixed Brigade 171st Cavalry Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reinforcements: 38th Shinbu-tai arrives at Changchun 50th Army arrives at Hirosaki/Aomori 119th Ind.Mixed Brigade arrives at Nagoya 120th Ind.Mixed Brigade arrives at Nagoya Chosen JNAF Base Force arrives at Genzan Losses: Loss of DD Take on Jun 08, 1945 is admitted Loss of PB Seikyo Maru on Jun 08, 1945 is admitted Ships Sunk: PT-27 is reported to have been sunk near Moppo on Jun 08, 1945 PT-114 is reported to have been sunk near Moppo on Jun 08, 1945 PT-120 is reported to have been sunk near Moppo on Jun 08, 1945 PT-323 is reported to have been sunk near Moppo on Jun 08, 1945 PT-343 is reported to have been sunk near Moppo on Jun 08, 1945 PT-348 is reported to have been sunk near Moppo on Jun 08, 1945 PT-352 is reported to have been sunk near Moppo on Jun 08, 1945 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/21AB361B2195478D8B5B5AA44D86150C.jpg[/image] ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ This ship means business! I haven't looked recently, but I wonder what the experience levels are for the BBS and other surface ships that have been around since the beginning? ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Lokasenna -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 7:53:18 PM)
In my experience, PTs try to disengage if they don't have any torpedoes. I see you converted Hyuga.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/13/2014 8:30:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna In my experience, PTs try to disengage if they don't have any torpedoes. I see you converted Hyuga. That was a mistake! She took a torpedo and was in shipyard, so I thought I'd add the upgrade for better radar and AA. Forgot that was the conversion. I just got a unit of Rex's a while back so just put those on her. Might do something, right?[:D] [image]local://upfiles/37283/78F757ED03324F908EBB48FDC104AC4B.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/14/2014 3:32:45 PM)
This turn opened with something I was afraid of. more strikes at the last fully functioning Shinden plant. Sucks. Doesn't take much, as the pinpoint accuracy of the B-29 at night manages to knock out all production. I wish it wasn't so easy to take out exactly one plant, but that the damage was spread out a bit, as was reality. Alas, I've made a good run at a competitive air force for most of the game and still have enough pools to fight on as long as supply allows, so it really doesn't matter so much. Just takes some of the unique interest out of playing the endgame. Oh, well. It also costs about 35 NF for roughly 10-12 B-29 shot down. Not a good ratio. [image]local://upfiles/37283/0758C0F6860F44D18C09CB96E7703DFC.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/14/2014 3:35:40 PM)
So about a month more of 3-4 a week night shots at airframe factories would do the trick for the top line 3rd ten fighters. [image]local://upfiles/37283/54A0AD18B06647BFA792811BB6F74E7C.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/14/2014 3:38:10 PM)
The Allies also went in the daylight and got a few hits on the Sam factories there. They didn't get sweeps in before the bombers though and again lost about 55-60 4E, both Privateers and B-24s. Some Invaders also came in and about 10-12 of those were she down. So the new CAP distribution does well, but can't stop all of the bombers form getting through. [image]local://upfiles/37283/B816E532CA6D414586D8CF9468492EB6.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/14/2014 3:39:26 PM)
This is interesting. I'll have to try to get something in there, but not much of low value that's fast enough to do it now. [image]local://upfiles/37283/6F2BFE8199DA476A8C4481294C63D65A.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (2/14/2014 3:41:34 PM)
So this is the last update of game for a while. I might post an actual CR report from Brunei, which would be fun! Flying Royal Brunei Air and have a stop there. Hopefully we'll avoid the ash cloud from the newly erupted volcano on Java on the way. Heading to OZ to see the lady's family, for only about 9 days total! Short trip, but should be fun.

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